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"Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 11:52:14 AM
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HHV5
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Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home
I know it's impractical to talk about anything race-related in this forum, but....
From the article:
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Some residents in Council Bluffs are thankful that a racially disturbing object has been removed from their neighborhood.
A black baby doll tied to a cross was hanging from the eave of a home.
“It’s something sentimental to my boyfriend,” said Dorthy Richards, who lived at the residence with her boyfriend, Ben Foote.
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Foote didn’t just have the doll hanging from his eave. He also named his dog Hitler and has a rebel flag with the words “White pride, world justice” tattooed on his arm.
“I don’t know of any law saying what you can and can’t have as a yard ornament,” Foote said. “I don’t know there’s a law what you can and can’t name your dog.”
Why must racists use a cross?!
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 12:21:38 PM
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colliefan
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Yes, the display IS offensive but is also free speach. I am offended by rap "music"" blaring from cars with the "N" word, the "MF" word, and the like used in the lyrics, but it also part of free speach.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 12:26:51 PM
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removal of an object is going to do nothing to change the hearts of men.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 1:04:55 PM
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stellaluna
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In my city, objectionable items will be removed from a person's yard if someone complains. This includes broken down cars, sofas and other "indoor" furniture, trash, etc.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 1:14:51 PM
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That is sickening. Im glad it was removed.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 3:25:31 PM
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So what it was removed the people are still the same. I find the man's tattoo offensive but are the going to remove that???. He named his dog Hitler are they going to ask tis man to change the dogs name???
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 6:33:34 PM
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Ick.
It's disgusting, disturbing and vile. That is a sick person who I would not want to be in the same city with.
But...
I am conflicted about whether personal beliefs expressed in such displays should be arbitrarily removed just because they're offensive. Besides which, the removal very likely just serves to feed that guys prejudice and hatred. 
It's one thing to say people of certain colors are inferior and deserve less than equal treatment.
The doll incident can be construed as a borderline physical threat.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 8:24:30 PM
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I support the inalienable rights of people to define themselves as...idiots.
There are many house associations here and you have to agree to some rules to live in those areas. Other areas may have laws reguading trash or other items in your yard.
Other than the agreements you sign or laws you accept in certain areas, zoning etc., I believe if you want a burning cross in your lawn...you should have one.
I think its terrible...but people are exactly that...and we DO live in a free country. I would rather have my racist neighboirs out in the open...wouldn't you??
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/6/2008 9:02:57 PM
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From the article linked in the OP:quote:
The law can’t stop Foote from displaying the controversial doll, but his landlord could.
After hearing that KETV NewsWatch 7 was investigating the incident, landlord Mike Limmer took the doll down.
Thank goodness for the Landlord.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 12:35:52 AM
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So what it was removed the people are still the same. I find the man's tattoo offensive but are the going to remove that???. He named his dog Hitler are they going to ask tis man to change the dogs name???
What does that have to do with this particular situation?
This was a different subject altogether. I know you are trying to tie it in with whats going on - but theres no way you can.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 1:22:52 AM
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In the words of the one we've been waiting for, "typical white person."
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 2:50:44 AM
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So what it was removed the people are still the same. I find the man's tattoo offensive but are the going to remove that???. He named his dog Hitler are they going to ask tis man to change the dogs name???
What does that have to do with this particular situation?
This was a different subject altogether. I know you are trying to tie it in with whats going on - but theres no way you can.
This man was trying to be offensive. And they would not have brought it up in the article if there was no connection.
His tattoo “White pride, world justice” shows some hints of Racism.
Naming his dog Hitler. We all know who Hitler was. No person names their dog Hitler if they did nor want to offend.
This shows that this man has a history of offending. He knew what he was doing all along.
You may not find any connections but I do.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 9:01:32 AM
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Unfortunately, this just demonstrates the continuous decline of society. It really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
Until free speech is censored, this man has a right to say what he wants, hang what he wants be who he wants.
All of us here would be in jeparody if our speech we censored.
Some people find crosses offensive. Some people find the 10 commandments offensive. Some people find outspoken Christians offensive.
It doesn't mean that people aren't doing ridiculous things and using very poor judgment. It means some are very lost.
It is highly offensive for him to have hung the doll. However, is it offensive that he has the right to do it or is it that his choices violate our own sense of right and wrong?
We can't restrict one aspect and allow others, ya know? The law just doesn't work that way.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 10:01:34 AM
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Would we be defending the tenets of free speech if:
Instead of hanging a black doll on a cross, this man had hung a figure of Jesus from a noose?
Instead of a hanging black doll on a cross, this man hung an effigy representing followers of Jesus?
Instead of displaying a confederate flag, this man had hung a banner that said "Death to Christians"?
Instead of naming his dog Hitler, this man had named the dog "Lucifer"?
Instead of his current ink, his tattoo said "Satanic Pride, World Justice"?
Instead of this guy, we were talking about Andres Serrano? (He's the fellow who submerged a crucifix in a glass of urine and called it "art".)
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 3:22:11 PM
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Instead of this guy, we were talking about Andres Serrano? (He's the fellow who submerged a crucifix in a glass of urine and called it "art".)
In this case, the issue was using public funds to create his "art." If Bill Gates would have given a grant and the gallery in which the art was hung, was a private place, there should be no provlem. In regards to your other issues, he has every right to be offensive provided he has not provided a physical threat of harm. In places such as Canada, one cannot preach against homosexuality b/c to do so is considered a hate-crime.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 5:34:06 PM
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I am a strong supporter of an almost absulute protection of speech and press - where I think we have gone wrong is when we began to broadly interpret images and actions as 'speech' and 'press', I would call the doll neither.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/7/2008 7:24:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Unfortunately, this just demonstrates the continuous decline of society. It really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
Until free speech is censored, this man has a right to say what he wants, hang what he wants be who he wants.
All of us here would be in jeparody if our speech we censored.
Some people find crosses offensive. Some people find the 10 commandments offensive. Some people find outspoken Christians offensive.
It doesn't mean that people aren't doing ridiculous things and using very poor judgment. It means some are very lost.
It is highly offensive for him to have hung the doll. However, is it offensive that he has the right to do it or is it that his choices violate our own sense of right and wrong?
We can't restrict one aspect and allow others, ya know? The law just doesn't work that way.
Honestly, the Anti Christian Liberties Union (ACLU to some) and Code Pink should have their rights to free speech removed but many may not approve of that. Though I would not want that guy living in my neighborhood, the landlord took a risk in stealing that guy's property and lucky there was not a physical altercation.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 1:23:09 AM
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Thessa
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ORIGINAL: saraimay75
So what it was removed the people are still the same. I find the man's tattoo offensive but are the going to remove that???. He named his dog Hitler are they going to ask tis man to change the dogs name???
What does that have to do with this particular situation?
This was a different subject altogether. I know you are trying to tie it in with whats going on - but theres no way you can.
This man was trying to be offensive. And they would not have brought it up in the article if there was no connection.
His tattoo “White pride, world justice” shows some hints of Racism.
Naming his dog Hitler. We all know who Hitler was. No person names their dog Hitler if they did nor want to offend.
This shows that this man has a history of offending. He knew what he was doing all along.
You may not find any connections but I do.
Yes i do, but what you are speaking of IS freedom of speech, unfortunately. What is going on in this case - isnt. Its just sick people doing sick things for the 'fun' of it.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 1:33:50 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Unfortunately, this just demonstrates the continuous decline of society. It really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
Until free speech is censored, this man has a right to say what he wants, hang what he wants be who he wants.
All of us here would be in jeparody if our speech we censored.
Some people find crosses offensive. Some people find the 10 commandments offensive. Some people find outspoken Christians offensive.
It doesn't mean that people aren't doing ridiculous things and using very poor judgment. It means some are very lost.
It is highly offensive for him to have hung the doll. However, is it offensive that he has the right to do it or is it that his choices violate our own sense of right and wrong?
We can't restrict one aspect and allow others, ya know? The law just doesn't work that way.
Honestly, the Anti Christian Liberties Union (ACLU to some) and Code Pink should have their rights to free speech removed but many may not approve of that. Though I would not want that guy living in my neighborhood, the landlord took a risk in stealing that guy's property and lucky there was not a physical altercation.
ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union. When Christians' rights are violated, the ACLU will support them. The are not pro- or anti- Christian.
Free speech means nothing if you take it away from anyone. If you only allow speech that is agreeable to you, that is not free speech.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 11:00:35 AM
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Actually I would have found it offensive, but I would have rather it been left alone. It wasn't a threat to my or my child's safety, or a public hazard. Just some idiot showing the world that he is an idiot. Better to KNOW where those that have these views live that to be oblivious to the fact that these people live in neighborhoods like yours and mine.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 12:07:45 PM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: Rockwall
Honestly, the Anti Christian Liberties Union (ACLU to some) and Code Pink should have their rights to free speech removed but many may not approve of that. Though I would not want that guy living in my neighborhood, the landlord took a risk in stealing that guy's property and lucky there was not a physical altercation.
ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union. When Christians' rights are violated, the ACLU will support them. The are not pro- or anti- Christian.
Free speech means nothing if you take it away from anyone. If you only allow speech that is agreeable to you, that is not free speech.
If you do not consider them the Anti Christian Liberties Union then you are unfamiliar with them. No other group has worked harder to try and remove crosses from memorials, the Ten Commandments from historic places and court houses, removing God from our Pledge of Allegiance, keeping students from praying at graduations and other similar actions than the ACLU.
It is not freedom of all religion because they have fought for the rights of Muslims to have prayer time in schools, public funding for foothbaths, make sure they have Muslim meals in jails, etc.
On rare occasion they have defended Christians, but those were token actions and more rare in recent history.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 12:45:25 PM
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I think what is being missed here is that, if we fight to have certain things removed because we personally are against them or we personally view that as wrong, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
What is good for the goose os good for the gander.
We keep fighting for what is right amongst Christians, they keep fighting against it.
In the end we both will lose our rights to fight for anything because the courts will then decide what is right for everyone.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 1:15:39 PM
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Actually I would have found it offensive, but I would have rather it been left alone. It wasn't a threat to my or my child's safety, or a public hazard. Just some idiot showing the world that he is an idiot. Better to KNOW where those that have these views live that to be oblivious to the fact that these people live in neighborhoods like yours and mine.
Blessings,
Garsy
But that's the thing. If someone hung a racially hateful object in their yard, it'd be threatening to me (depending on what it was). And there have been cases where objects like that have been put out, then a hate crime followed. (Happened to a cousin of mine, unfortunately.)
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