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1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 7:27:21 AM
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SonInMe1
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1 Samuel 8:10-22
Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.
8:11
He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.
8:12
Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.
8:13
He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.
8:14
He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.
8:15
He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.
8:16
Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use.
8:17
He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
8:18
When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the Lord will not answer you in that day."
8:19
But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us.
8:20
Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
8:21
When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord.
8:22
The Lord answered, "Listen to them and give them a king." Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Everyone go back to his town.
I just thought that before the election we should read what God says about governments and what they will do TO us.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 8:15:56 AM
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zamdad
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Oh, but we're not Israel. Oh, but this is not speaking to us. Oh, but....
Thanks, Soninme. I can hear the rationalization coming in.
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 8:35:17 AM
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SonInMe1
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It just amazes me how some love the government so much...when God was never in favor of it.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 9:13:22 AM
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davemiller7
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They wanted a king - they got a king, several of them. They eventually led to Israel's downfall. And this is what about half of the US wants?
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
1 Samuel 8:10-22
Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.
8:11
He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.
8:12
Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.
8:13
He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.
8:14
He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.
8:15
He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.
8:16
Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use.
8:17
He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
8:18
When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the Lord will not answer you in that day."
8:19
But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us.
8:20
Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
8:21
When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord.
8:22
The Lord answered, "Listen to them and give them a king." Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Everyone go back to his town.
I just thought that before the election we should read what God says about governments and what they will do TO us.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 11:28:19 AM
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MrFribbles
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So, why hasn't this been true of any of our past presidents?
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A field without a fence.
You've made a holy fool of me,
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 1:44:55 PM
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leonfigg3
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So, why hasn't this been true of any of our past presidents?
May be it always has been true of our presidents.
Maybe sometimes it was more true of some more than others.
Mayb this country got it right, and lucky and was able to stop it before it became reality.
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 1:47:33 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
They wanted a king - they got a king, several of them. They eventually led to Israel's downfall. And this is what about half of the US wants?
Yep...the US is about to get what exactly what they've been asking for! 
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RE: 1 Samuel 8 - 11/1/2008 10:00:16 PM
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SonInMe1
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The people rejected God for an earthly human king. God told them what a king ( government ) would do to them..and God was 100% correct.
The basis for a democratic republiuc we enjoy is that we are not ruled by our goverment, as God suggested a king would do, but that we, as the people, would govern ourselves.
This is contrary to the big government loving socialsim of the left and Obama. I think you can equate more government with less God. From the charity takeover to moral decline, the more government we have the farther and further we are from God.
The basis for our government is individualism, not collective bargaining. The power of the people, not law making courts.
We are loving government more and God less, that is evident and this election...could....trigger a further turn toward that.
I don't think thta is a good idea....myself.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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