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AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/16/2007 5:31:11 PM
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brooklynsblessed1
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The 9/11 Nuts
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Author: Bob Parks
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: September 15, 2007
FSM Contributing Editor Bob Parks, in this radio spot, analyzes the "critical thinking" of some to figure out what happened on 9/11. The crazies would have us believe the nuttiest of stories which Parks dismantles for what they are worth. Does anyone take these guys seriously?
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/terrorism.php?id=1340875
I think too much time is spent on dwelling on this or being obsessed w/ these nutty theories and resent even on CW a stat (false) like 66% of us in NY think it was a conspiracy..we do not.This foolishness only encourages and gives comfort & cover to America's real enemies.
I for one have decided to boycott certain member threads as I get headaches from trying to follow the illogical info posted.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/19/2007 1:26:16 PM
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RingsofSaturn
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Its funny, scoffers use word like Crazy, whackos, crackpots etc etc.
There must be a lot of these people out there, cause no one believes the official story of JFK and a lot don't trust our GOV and a lot don't believe the official 911 story.
Maybe the crazy ones are the weak minds who are too trusting to admit anything...
This especially given the history of Governments, empires and powerful entities...
*Yawns*
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/19/2007 7:46:53 PM
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Dancre
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Or maybe those 'weak minds' are the ones who are thinking rationally instead of running after nonsense that can't be proved or is disproved time and time again. Please! Believing the goverment slamming planes into buildings while Bin Laden proudly exclaimed, this is my doing, is just plain ridiculous. Believing so called 'experts' while poo-pooing educated engineers who make a living taking down buildings is, yes, crazy.
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/19/2007 10:43:43 PM
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RingsofSaturn
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Or maybe those 'weak minds' are the ones who are thinking rationally instead of running after nonsense that can't be proved or is disproved time and time again. Please! Believing the goverment slamming planes into buildings while Bin Laden proudly exclaimed, this is my doing, is just plain ridiculous. Believing so called 'experts' while poo-pooing educated engineers who make a living taking down buildings is, yes, crazy.
kim
Hello Miss Kim, (or maybe Mr.,..-sorry either way)
Well, first of all, Bin Laden denied his involvment in 911 right off the bat. Then about 3 months later took responsibility....or so we were told/shown. Some claim that the Vids were fakes. I dunno. But on Sept 23, 2001, Condaleeza Rice proclaimed we had 100% proof he did it and that it'd come out soon. It never came out...and indeed, he's not officially wanted for the crime by the FBI.
But my real question to you is this. How many hours of research do you have in the 911 Truth theories? What qualifications do you have that would aid in your research?
I am a writer and researcher. I was also a welder, pipe fitter and steel fabricator for 15 years. I have over 1000 hrs in researching the 911 scandal and its many anomolies. This despite working a 60 hr work week and writing several books and scripts.
I'm just curious. How much have you looked into this?
Thanks and God Bless,
JWC
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/21/2007 6:19:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
Or maybe those 'weak minds' are the ones who are thinking rationally instead of running after nonsense that can't be proved or is disproved time and time again. Please! Believing the goverment slamming planes into buildings while Bin Laden proudly exclaimed, this is my doing, is just plain ridiculous. Believing so called 'experts' while poo-pooing educated engineers who make a living taking down buildings is, yes, crazy.
kim
Hello Miss Kim, (or maybe Mr.,..-sorry either way)
Well, first of all, Bin Laden denied his involvment in 911 right off the bat. Then about 3 months later took responsibility....or so we were told/shown. Some claim that the Vids were fakes. I dunno. But on Sept 23, 2001, Condaleeza Rice proclaimed we had 100% proof he did it and that it'd come out soon. It never came out...and indeed, he's not officially wanted for the crime by the FBI.
But my real question to you is this. How many hours of research do you have in the 911 Truth theories? What qualifications do you have that would aid in your research?
I am a writer and researcher. I was also a welder, pipe fitter and steel fabricator for 15 years. I have over 1000 hrs in researching the 911 scandal and its many anomolies. This despite working a 60 hr work week and writing several books and scripts.
I'm just curious. How much have you looked into this?
Thanks and God Bless,
JWC
Saturn, I doubt any of us are doing a 1000 hours,days whatever of study on Obama, Thompson, immigration, crime or global warming. Should I or any of us not comment because we didn't study iraqi history, Islamic beliefs, military strategies, etc. when the subject comes up?Or keep quiet on Ron Paul because most of us know little ?
We don't usually have the time or discipline to prep just to make comments on a website..curious too...are your books published & if so/not will they be in the area of conspiracies?????
And my friend you may be a steel fabricator..but the owners of those sites etc. are more like "fiction fabricators" or yarn spinners that only aid our enemies. 
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/21/2007 8:35:52 PM
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Dancre
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ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
Or maybe those 'weak minds' are the ones who are thinking rationally instead of running after nonsense that can't be proved or is disproved time and time again. Please! Believing the goverment slamming planes into buildings while Bin Laden proudly exclaimed, this is my doing, is just plain ridiculous. Believing so called 'experts' while poo-pooing educated engineers who make a living taking down buildings is, yes, crazy.
kim
Hello Miss Kim, (or maybe Mr.,..-sorry either way)
Well, first of all, Bin Laden denied his involvment in 911 right off the bat. Then about 3 months later took responsibility....or so we were told/shown. Some claim that the Vids were fakes. I dunno. But on Sept 23, 2001, Condaleeza Rice proclaimed we had 100% proof he did it and that it'd come out soon. It never came out...and indeed, he's not officially wanted for the crime by the FBI.
But my real question to you is this. How many hours of research do you have in the 911 Truth theories? What qualifications do you have that would aid in your research?
I am a writer and researcher. I was also a welder, pipe fitter and steel fabricator for 15 years. I have over 1000 hrs in researching the 911 scandal and its many anomolies. This despite working a 60 hr work week and writing several books and scripts.
I'm just curious. How much have you looked into this?
Thanks and God Bless,
JWC
Sorry it took me so long to respond.
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How many hours of research do you have in the 911 Truth theories? What qualifications do you have that would aid in your research?
Actually, I do have alot of hours of research into 9/11. I wrote a novel a few years back involving terrorists attacking the US with viruses. I actually spent 4 years studying terrorists, (mostly the Al-Quada) and what they do and why they do it in order to understand them. I"ve been to terrorist websites, read terrorist profiles, read FBI profiles, etc. And what I've read about the Al-Quada is yes, they did put those planes into the buildings and not the US killing their own people. I've read BB where terrorists congradulated their 'brothers' for killing so many innocent people. I've even come across a terrorist handbook that told how to kill others. I've also come across Terrorist training camps in Afganistan and terrorist schools where they teach children to kill others. And in each place, they rememeber their 'heroes'.
You ask anyone who supports the jihad they will proudly say, their brothers were responsible for 9/11. But no, I won't waste my time studying the 9/11 nonsense that says the US was to blame.
So that's it. Oh, and I'm a Ms. You can call me whatever you want, but don't call me late for dinner. tee hee.
kim
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/21/2007 8:37:10 PM
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Dancre
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And may I also add one more thing.
Just b/c I went to the terrorist websites doesn't mean anyone else should. In fact, I advise all folks to avoid those websites. They are VERY dangerous, avoid at all costs.
kim
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/22/2007 9:18:50 PM
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RingsofSaturn
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Well, I see you have done your homework in some depts....
I think when I first got here we talked about an idea I had for a novel too...
Question though. Aren't you at least soemwhat suspiscious about some of the testimonies and weird coincidences involving public officials in regards to 911?
Like:
Bushs brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC
Officials told not to fly the day before 911
Rumsfald changing the protocol for engagment at NORAD, making it so that if a stray aircraft were tracked, they'd have to go thru the Pres, VP or Rumsfeld?
Cheney conducting war games at NORAD involving hijacked airplanes the morning of Sep 11
PNAC stating openly that a major change was needed to take the USA into a new direction, more dominant,..."like a new Pearl Harbor" ....AND that key players in our Govt are invloved with PNAC
Does any of these...and there's many more, give you some doubt to the official story? I know the prove nothing, but to many that still don't believe in 911 Truth, they at least admit these things are very troubling.
Thanks and take care
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/23/2007 2:06:26 PM
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Dancre
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Well, first you need to look at the source, who is saying these things? What proof do they have? I've learned a lot of the so called quotes from the 9/11 conspiracies are taken out of context, only to promote their cause. When you look at the true quote or talk to the person being quoted, you find out it's only a game of "telephone". Now I went to a terrorist website, which is now gone, and there was a guy who recruited for the Al-Qada. He was stationed in England, but I think he was kicked out of the country. Anyway, he spoke of David Pearl whom the Al-Qada members beheaded. He saw the video and told why it was the terrorists who did it. He spoke of the way the man held the knife, what he said as he killed David, even the clothes the terrorists wore, proving it was the terrorists who killed him. And of course he called the killer a hero. Now this recruiter worked with the Al-Qada and knew more about them than anyone else.
Now if you look into the lives of the 9/11 conspiracy leaders, you'll see that they don't have the proper background to make their claims. Also, why would Marvin, who in charge of the security at the WTC, have anything to do with blaming Bush? To me, that doesn't make sense. It's not a connectable dot. Now if you intercepted emails from Marvin writing to Bush saying, We're ready, bring it on. All the right people are safe, whenever you're ready, then yes, you'd have a connectable dot.
What proof is there saying officials were told not to fly? Is there a memo from the president on presidential stationary, or just heresay? Are there emails, taped phone calls, someone who was told not to fly who can vouch for it? You have to follow the trail back to the source. Who is the source and what are their credentials?
So if someone says, officials were told not to fly on 9/11, then ask for the offical memo saying, don't fly on 9/11. If someone says, well we don't have it, then why trust it if there's no offical proof, no memos, no emails, nothing? I personally need documented proof saying officals were told not to fly. Does NORAD have documented proof that Chaney was conducting wargames? There should be documents, something proving he was doing this. What do the employees of NORAD say about this? Why were they doing it? Did it really happen? If Chaney was conducting wargames, then why? NORAD will have some kind of offical report for their records, what do those records say? I have no ideas what PNAC is, but again, go straight to the source, what offical documents are there stating we need another Pearl Harbor? You only have a small quote. What is the whole quote, the whole conversation? What was said and why?
I've learned that being a writer means taking responsibility for making the story as real as possible and doing my homework. Even if you have to take a year to track down one document, then do it for the sake of the story. Don't believe everything you hear. I didn't when I studied terrorism, I went straight to the source, the terrorists themselves and I learned a lot of frightening things.
You have to be careful with conspiracies. They are exciting, thrilling, a Tom Clancy novel and very easy to get sucked into. But you have to step back and see the whole picture, look at all the documents, all the proof, all the quotes in context in order to truly understand what is happening. Do your homework before believing anything or anyone.
kim
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 9/23/2007 8:06:12 PM
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And let me add one more thing. It's easy to sit behind a computer screen and accuse Marvin of being responsible for 5,000 deaths, but would you say this to his face? Are you really willing to be a part of destroying an innocent life by accusing Marvin of being responsible for 9/11 when you don't even know if he was responsible for it? As a writer, you need to make sure you have all your facts together or you'll ruin your reputation as a writer and no one will take you seriously. Look at Micheal Moore, who takes him seriously now? No one. He shot himself in the foot, he's basically ruined. Peple are now suing him of libel and his movie has been shown as a lie. So you need to look at yourself in the mirror and ask are you really willing to accuse Marvin of 9/11 without the proper facts? Also if you keep accusing him, he has the right to sue you of libel. Think about it.
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/14/2007 10:55:37 AM
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Many people would call me crazy for believing that God sent His Son to be with us, instruct us, and die for us to pay the penalty for our sins. They would really think I was a lunatic when I tell them I honestly believe that this Son was raised from the dead after 3 days, rose into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God. And.. that this all happened 2000 years ago.
Many people really think I am wacky when I tell them evolution requires more faith than a belief in God. I can make a good argument for creation - disemboweling their "scientific" belief in evolution piece by piece - pointing out errors in their science - Yet, I am the wacky one for believing in creation over evolution.
Yet... the vast majority of you reading this post believe just that.
So... You are all a bit wacky, no? So please excuse my wackiness for believing Bush & CO fabricated the reasons for a war. I mean, it is SO much harder to believe Bush & CO could fabricate 9/11 and the Iraq War than it is to believe Jesus is the Son of God. That God parted the sea. That the New Jerusalem that descends is 1400 miles long. That the Nile was turned to blood. That a super-right-wing-Christian-hating pharasie such as Saul, on his way to arrest Christians, would be converted.
While I may be a "9/11 Nut" YOU AND I are both "God Nuts"
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/14/2007 11:01:48 AM
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While I may be a "9/11 Nut" YOU AND I are both "God Nuts" Amen!
Does this mean I'm cracked? 
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/14/2007 11:56:27 AM
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There's a topic here in the conspiracy folder?
Wow. Must be some really big powers behind it....
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/18/2007 2:23:33 PM
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There's a topic here in the conspiracy folder?
Wow. Must be some really big powers behind it....
The conspiracy is that Bush & Co premeditated the Iraq War and 9/11
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/18/2007 5:40:56 PM
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Yeh, its amazing how some scoffers don't believe anything...and call people who do nuts. Yet, they believe in God...
LOL...they have more faith in their Govt than God. Except on April 15 when they cuss the Govt, but then they quickly forget...
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/25/2007 5:36:32 PM
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I have been a Bush supporter, though I've become disappointed in him this second term. But I've always wondered about a couple of things: 1)Where was the plane that hit the Pentagon? I never saw any of it. 2)Where was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania? I never saw that either. Oh, there is a third question: 3) How DID the WTC turn to dust before it even hit the ground? I always answered myself by saying the people who were on board are gone so obviously the planes crashed in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. I never had an answer about the WTC but didn't believe the conspiracy theorists because it didn't make sense that if the gov't. was behind it, how did they get Arab terrorists to cooperate? It didn't make sense. However, I have a friend who is into conspiracy theories who says the Bush family and Bin Laden family are friends. But he probably got that from a conspiracy website. So I don't know. But I do have those three questions that have always been on my mind.
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/26/2007 10:26:43 AM
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I have been a Bush supporter, though I've become disappointed in him this second term. But I've always wondered about a couple of things: 1)Where was the plane that hit the Pentagon? I never saw any of it. 2)Where was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania? I never saw that either. Oh, there is a third question: 3) How DID the WTC turn to dust before it even hit the ground? I always answered myself by saying the people who were on board are gone so obviously the planes crashed in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. I never had an answer about the WTC but didn't believe the conspiracy theorists because it didn't make sense that if the gov't. was behind it, how did they get Arab terrorists to cooperate? It didn't make sense. However, I have a friend who is into conspiracy theories who says the Bush family and Bin Laden family are friends. But he probably got that from a conspiracy website. So I don't know. But I do have those three questions that have always been on my mind.
There are other threads where we discuss these topics. Suffice to say there were several cameras on the Pentagon... and no pictures have been released except one that does not show a plane... just a wavy vapor trail. The engines at the Pentagon remain a problem as well as a lack of wreckage. WTC 7 is a HUGE problem as it just sorta fell into its own footprint (like the twin towers). The twin towers turned to dust as they fell - pretty much a sure sign of explosives being used. As for planes - NASA has been remote piloting comercial jets, including takeoff and landings, for years. (And our military does the same thing with the Predator drones from thousands of miles away). I will gladly send some DVD's your way free of charge if you like, just PM me.
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RE: AUDIO: " The 9/11 Nuts " - 11/26/2007 11:04:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: Milliecat
I have been a Bush supporter, though I've become disappointed in him this second term. But I've always wondered about a couple of things: 1)Where was the plane that hit the Pentagon? I never saw any of it. 2)Where was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania? I never saw that either. Oh, there is a third question: 3) How DID the WTC turn to dust before it even hit the ground? I always answered myself by saying the people who were on board are gone so obviously the planes crashed in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. I never had an answer about the WTC but didn't believe the conspiracy theorists because it didn't make sense that if the gov't. was behind it, how did they get Arab terrorists to cooperate? It didn't make sense. However, I have a friend who is into conspiracy theories who says the Bush family and Bin Laden family are friends. But he probably got that from a conspiracy website. So I don't know. But I do have those three questions that have always been on my mind.
There are other threads where we discuss these topics. Suffice to say there were several cameras on the Pentagon... and no pictures have been released except one that does not show a plane... just a wavy vapor trail. The engines at the Pentagon remain a problem as well as a lack of wreckage. WTC 7 is a HUGE problem as it just sorta fell into its own footprint (like the twin towers). The twin towers turned to dust as they fell - pretty much a sure sign of explosives being used. As for planes - NASA has been remote piloting comercial jets, including takeoff and landings, for years. (And our military does the same thing with the Predator drones from thousands of miles away). I will gladly send some DVD's your way free of charge if you like, just PM me.
And you can PM me and I have some money that I need laundered from Nigeria.
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