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Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in U.S.... - 6/30/2008 10:20:16 PM
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wing2000
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Three Iraqis and a Jordanian filed federal lawsuits Monday alleging they were tortured by U.S. defense contractors while detained at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq in 2003 and 2004.
The lawsuits allege that those arrested and taken to the prison were subjected to forced nudity, electrical shocks, mock executions and other inhumane treatment. They seek unspecified payments high enough to compensate the detainees for their injuries, and to deter contractors from such conduct in the future.
"These innocent men were senselessly tortured by U.S. companies that profited from their misery," said lead attorney Susan L. Burke, of the Philadelphia law firm Burke O'Neil. "These men came to U.S. courts because our laws, as they have for generations, allow their claims to be heard here."
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 6/30/2008 10:41:20 PM
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Somebody better stop before I'm standing here up to my ankles in a puddle full of tears..... 
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 6:08:30 AM
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I thought it was the law signed by Bremer that we can rape them, beat them, shock them, and make pornos that they star in without fear of any repurcussion?
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 9:19:29 AM
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How does anyone know that they're telling the truth and not just taking advantage of the fact that our media loves ANY story that makes our military look bad?
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 12:13:48 PM
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How does anyone know that they're telling the truth and not just taking advantage of the fact that our media loves ANY story that makes our military look bad?
Well, you seem to have not kept up with the war effort. There is a pile of evidence, including the prosecutions of several US military personnel to document the happenings at AG. The media didn't take any of the photographs, BTW.
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 3:03:03 PM
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How does anyone know that they're telling the truth and not just taking advantage of the fact that our media loves ANY story that makes our military look bad?
Seems like this could be a fine thing for a court case to resolve.
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 3:19:32 PM
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Court? For Muslims? To sue Americans? Are you crazy? What's the world coming to?
Which question do you want me to answer first? 
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 3:32:32 PM
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Court? For Muslims? To sue Americans?
I'm quite sure many of our friends on the left would like to see exactly that......
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 3:42:41 PM
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Court? For Muslims? To sue Americans?
I'm quite sure many of our friends on the left would like to see exactly that......
Because the Three Stooges (Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz) developed the post-war plans, the left are going to get exactly that ....
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 5:49:50 PM
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How does anyone know that they're telling the truth and not just taking advantage of the fact that our media loves ANY story that makes our military look bad?
Well, you seem to have not kept up with the war effort. There is a pile of evidence, including the prosecutions of several US military personnel to document the happenings at AG. The media didn't take any of the photographs, BTW.
Yeah, I understand that. Someone would have had to have been living under the biggest rock in the world for the last few years to have never heard of that.
Anyway, what I am saying is how are we sure these men experienced everything they say they did? Are there specific pictures of them?
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 5:55:15 PM
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How does anyone know that they're telling the truth and not just taking advantage of the fact that our media loves ANY story that makes our military look bad?
Well, you seem to have not kept up with the war effort. There is a pile of evidence, including the prosecutions of several US military personnel to document the happenings at AG. The media didn't take any of the photographs, BTW.
Yeah, I understand that. Someone would have had to have been living under the biggest rock in the world for the last few years to have never heard of that.
Anyway, what I am saying is how are we sure these men experienced everything they say they did? Are there specific pictures of them?
That's what they will have to provide evidence about. Pictures (of them)may not be required if they can demonstrate that the behavior was the norm, not the exception. We shall see.
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 6:14:17 PM
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I didn't think that any American servicemen or contractors could be held liable for anything that was done over there.
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/1/2008 6:17:40 PM
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How does anyone know that they're telling the truth and not just taking advantage of the fact that our media loves ANY story that makes our military look bad?
....and just to clarify, their suit is against defense contractors...not the US Military. There is a big difference...just ask any soldier who has been in Iraq.
...and if it reflects badly on any one, it is the American people. It should be an interesting case to watch from a legal perspective. The whole issue of who defense contractors are accountable to has been an open question throughout this war....
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/2/2008 5:38:09 AM
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I know this is regarded as a 'leftist' position, but I think they should be able to sue those who tortured them. The courts will determine if what they say happened happened.
This is the problem, it seems to me, with contracting out what traditionally was a government job - people tend to become more irresponsible. When James Madison put together the Constitution part of his reasoning as to why we should have people voted into office who would represent us is that a voted-in representative would tend to be of a better quality than other people (you wonder sometimes if he was right looking at some in government nowadays). Contractors aren't voted into any office so they haven't gone through any type of testing or refining process by the people for whom they are suppose to be acting in their best interests. They will tend to act more irresponsibly then, it seems to me.
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/2/2008 9:40:50 AM
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Thanks for the response, Roger. It is really 'left' to think the people who terrorize others should be given a trial like an American citizen is entitled to - but in the Gettysburg Address Lincoln says that we are a nation that was founded on the principle that all men were created equal. I think giving them a fair trial is a good and effective application of that premise. I do disagree with you that the Bush administration is usually centrist. I think they can be 'left' as well. I will say this - as far as Hillary's fascism in 'It Takes a Village' type stuff and that kids are the property of the State - wow - I couldn't disagree with her more. Also, I am all for a free market as far as it can be free and for government to provide a good legal framework for business to function in. I don't go for taxing everything to death and big government the way liberals do. See, the problem with contractors is they aren't government. Government is to deal with sin in one way - Romans chapter 13. Civilians in a completely different way - Romans chapter 12. Contractors are civilians.
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RE: Abu Ghraib inmates sue U.S. Defense contractors in ... - 7/4/2008 11:36:39 PM
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I mean you could do something 'other-worldly' and radical and just forgive those who tortured you, but as far as rights go - I think the prisoners have the right to file complaints in a court of law and prosecute their cases - even if they were government officials or employees who tortured them.
God bless all abundantly,
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