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Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/20/2009 1:14:06 PM   
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I've been doing music for most of my adult life, but I never broke through in any big way. After a while, I had to simply accept the fact that it was not God's will for me to be the "next big thing" in Christian music, so I settled into a life of simply staying busy making music, without the perks that come with fame.

But I got to thinking...why WOULD you want to make it big in Christian music? Because when you consider it....Christian music is the one genre that virtually erases it's older artists from history.

Think about it....when I was in college in the late 80's, the biggest names in Christian music were bands like Petra, DeGarmo & Key, White Heart, Mylon LeFevre, etc. Ask any ten teenagers you care to find today about those bands, and if you're real lucky, one or two of them MIGHT have heard of Petra...and that's about it. Likewise for any of the artists popular back in the day. And as we get further away from the decade of the 90's, most of those artists have likewise fallen into oblivion.

Where is the "classic" Christian music? Why doesn't radio acknowledge these older groups or songs? Our local Christian FM refuses to play anything more than five years old, with the possible exception of "Awesome God" by Rich Mullins. And the closest Gospel Music Channel comes is in the form of short snippets of older performances on the "Best Of The Doves" program. Why don't the record labels re-release some of those titles from the 80's and 90's?

Like I said, why would you want to make it big in this business, when chances are you'll be forgotten in ten years (if that long)?

Sorry about the rant, I feel better now....

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/20/2009 1:25:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tafkam

I've been doing music for most of my adult life, but I never broke through in any big way. After a while, I had to simply accept the fact that it was not God's will for me to be the "next big thing" in Christian music, so I settled into a life of simply staying busy making music, without the perks that come with fame.

But I got to thinking...why WOULD you want to make it big in Christian music? Because when you consider it....Christian music is the one genre that virtually erases it's older artists from history.

Think about it....when I was in college in the late 80's, the biggest names in Christian music were bands like Petra, DeGarmo & Key, White Heart, Mylon LeFevre, etc. Ask any ten teenagers you care to find today about those bands, and if you're real lucky, one or two of them MIGHT have heard of Petra...and that's about it. Likewise for any of the artists popular back in the day. And as we get further away from the decade of the 90's, most of those artists have likewise fallen into oblivion.

Where is the "classic" Christian music? Why doesn't radio acknowledge these older groups or songs? Our local Christian FM refuses to play anything more than five years old, with the possible exception of "Awesome God" by Rich Mullins. And the closest Gospel Music Channel comes is in the form of short snippets of older performances on the "Best Of The Doves" program. Why don't the record labels re-release some of those titles from the 80's and 90's?

Like I said, why would you want to make it big in this business, when chances are you'll be forgotten in ten years (if that long)?

Sorry about the rant, I feel better now....

No apology for the "rant" is necessary! I agree 100%. One of the main reasons I don't listen to "Christian" radio is that the music is only "Christian top 40".

Thankfully, there are a few live365 stations that feature some classics.

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 10:31:44 AM   
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One reason: $$$$$$$
Another reason - Those artists were just that, artists. Today's Christian music excels in the art of mediocrity. With very few exceptions, the most popular acts in Christian music today are bland, corporate sponsored, and not capable of producing a decent song. How does Matthew West get so much airplay when he can't sing. play, or write, while a truly gifted songwriter like Jon Troast labors in near obscurity. How does Michael W. Smith continue to sell millions of cd's singing somebody else's worship songs while most people don't even know who Paul Baloche is? Ask 10 thirty or younger people who wrote the song Above All and eight will tell you MWS. WRONNNNGGG!!! How can a group like Caedmon's Call not have a gold record to their credit but Mercy Me can sell 10 million?

Because Christian music is all about being "safe" and "for everybody" instead of rewarding true talent.

That ends my rant, for now.


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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 11:05:47 AM   
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I ws fortunate enough to discover "Above All" a full two or three years before Smitty made it popular (with that horrendous arrangement he put out).

It was on a CD called "Above All" by Lenny LeBlanc (who co-wrote the song with Paul Baloche). To this day, Lanny's arrangement is my preferred one to listen to, and the one I use when I perform the song.

I was on a road trip this past weekend and listening to some of my older Christian music CDs.....it amazes me how much good music has been allowed to simply slip away into oblivion....

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 11:58:23 AM   
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I ws fortunate enough to discover "Above All" a full two or three years before Smitty made it popular
I heard Paul Baloche sing it in 2000, a good four or five years before Smitty, in a church concert. I'm not even sure it had been recorded at that point.

There's a 25 year gap in the Christian music I know. I started listening to it when it was "Jesus rock", around '75 and '76, then picked up again in 2000 when I was born again again. In the early period there wasn't much except Keaggy, Stonehill, Larry Norman, 2nd Chapter, and Andre Crouch. Now? Wellll, you know.


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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 12:20:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tafkam

I've been doing music for most of my adult life, but I never broke through in any big way. After a while, I had to simply accept the fact that it was not God's will for me to be the "next big thing" in Christian music, so I settled into a life of simply staying busy making music, without the perks that come with fame.

But I got to thinking...why WOULD you want to make it big in Christian music? Because when you consider it....Christian music is the one genre that virtually erases it's older artists from history.

Think about it....when I was in college in the late 80's, the biggest names in Christian music were bands like Petra, DeGarmo & Key, White Heart, Mylon LeFevre, etc. Ask any ten teenagers you care to find today about those bands, and if you're real lucky, one or two of them MIGHT have heard of Petra...and that's about it. Likewise for any of the artists popular back in the day. And as we get further away from the decade of the 90's, most of those artists have likewise fallen into oblivion.

Where is the "classic" Christian music? Why doesn't radio acknowledge these older groups or songs? Our local Christian FM refuses to play anything more than five years old, with the possible exception of "Awesome God" by Rich Mullins. And the closest Gospel Music Channel comes is in the form of short snippets of older performances on the "Best Of The Doves" program. Why don't the record labels re-release some of those titles from the 80's and 90's?

Like I said, why would you want to make it big in this business, when chances are you'll be forgotten in ten years (if that long)?

Sorry about the rant, I feel better now....


Post of the year. I wouldn't mind seeing a Christian "oldies" station format, especially considering the area where I live is saturated with secular stations with an oldies format (including one that flipped from CCM).

Alternately, I wouldn't mind seeing what some stations do in playing a series of songs from differing decades alongside the current stuff (may prefer that option).

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 12:22:32 PM   
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Ever hear of Bill Gaither? No one has done more for Gospel Music, including the classics and the older artists. Most have died, except Eva Mae LeFevre, but Bill put them back on the scene and young people were introduced to many of the greats of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. If he hadn't been for Bill Gaither, many people would never have heard of the "older" entertainers in this genre.

Just watch his first videos that he started in the early 1990's. You'll see many, many artists that started "back in the day".
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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 1:15:43 PM   
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Yeah why can't a Christian music station mix some oldies in with the newer stuff. All secular rock stations do that so why just stick with the top 40. I guess $$$$$ rules even in the Christian music world! Is there a form of Christian payola?

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 1:42:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tafkam

I've been doing music for most of my adult life, but I never broke through in any big way. After a while, I had to simply accept the fact that it was not God's will for me to be the "next big thing" in Christian music, so I settled into a life of simply staying busy making music, without the perks that come with fame.

But I got to thinking...why WOULD you want to make it big in Christian music? Because when you consider it....Christian music is the one genre that virtually erases it's older artists from history.

Think about it....when I was in college in the late 80's, the biggest names in Christian music were bands like Petra, DeGarmo & Key, White Heart, Mylon LeFevre, etc. Ask any ten teenagers you care to find today about those bands, and if you're real lucky, one or two of them MIGHT have heard of Petra...and that's about it. Likewise for any of the artists popular back in the day. And as we get further away from the decade of the 90's, most of those artists have likewise fallen into oblivion.

Where is the "classic" Christian music? Why doesn't radio acknowledge these older groups or songs? Our local Christian FM refuses to play anything more than five years old, with the possible exception of "Awesome God" by Rich Mullins. And the closest Gospel Music Channel comes is in the form of short snippets of older performances on the "Best Of The Doves" program. Why don't the record labels re-release some of those titles from the 80's and 90's?

Like I said, why would you want to make it big in this business, when chances are you'll be forgotten in ten years (if that long)?

Sorry about the rant, I feel better now....


A BIG Amen on this one. As a matter of fact, you don't even have to go to the "classics" stage. Once a new song or two comes out, most stations will play them over and over and over and over and...you get the point. There are some great songs from just a few years ago that have already been thrown out, but I guess that's the nature of pop music. Then again, even some secular stations devote at least a little airtime to the classics.

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 3:05:44 PM   
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I guess $$$$$ rules even in the Christian music world!
Are you kidding? The CCM station here not only runs as many commercials as any other Top 40 station, they also still have their annual begathon! I have no idea where the money goes, but I know it ain't to purchase decent music. Makes me wonder how much they're paying those awful dj's.
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Once a new song or two comes out, most stations will play them over and over and over and over and...
The only exception seems to Jars of Clay up here. This station will play the new single for a week or two, then it's right back to Flood and Love Song For a Saviour. On the other hand, they'll only play the newest single by Third Day, ignoring anything from previous releases.


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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 4:21:02 PM   
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Wow! 'Yall have some pretty big paint brushes there.
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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 4:28:19 PM   
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If you think we're wrong I'm sure a link or two would be appreciated. I'd love to find a Christian radio station with some real variety.

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/21/2009 10:13:42 PM   
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I don't know that it is about the money necessarily, maybe in part, it is the business side, as takfam has stated it is tough business and not mucho dinero. But I think it is about demographics, I have pointed out in various other threads the demographics that CCM chases after, include the less educated, poor, female, southern individuals, that is, yes, the business side and the attempt to make money, and yes I have provided the stats and charts as prepared by the CCM industry. This comes from the Christian music machine trying to produce music that is more like ear-candy and short-term gratification much like the top 40 stations that play the more recent music such as Fergie, Flo-Rida, Souljah boy and trying to appeal to the segment of the population that tries to follow trends. However! I don't think they are trying to sell to the "musically advanced!" What we need in the church is a renaissance to bring up the standards of musicianship and appreciation of artistic ability. I think we Christians perpetuate the idea that Christians are substandard in the way of artistic appreciation by our lack of support for the arts. I am actually in the works now to start that renaissance here in my home town by trying to start a music school supported by our church but not just for church attenders, I would like to expand that into painting and dance and other various areas of artistic expression. The church has lost it's soul because it no longer supports the arts. We have lost that segment of our world because we have shunned the artist.
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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 7:40:46 AM   
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Wow! 'Yall have some pretty big paint brushes there.



Nah; forget the paint brush I like to use a big ole' paint gun !

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 7:46:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

I have no idea where the money goes, but I know it ain't to purchase decent music. Makes me wonder how much they're paying those awful dj's.



Coffee came out the nose when I read this one! Polluting the airwaves should also be against the law! But truthfully I am sure the record companies and the top 40 artists must pay to play!

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 8:09:06 AM   
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I don't know that it is about the money necessarily, maybe in part, it is the business side, as takfam has stated it is tough business and not mucho dinero. But I think it is about demographics, I have pointed out in various other threads the demographics that CCM chases after, include the less educated, poor, female, southern individuals, that is, yes, the business side and the attempt to make money, and yes I have provided the stats and charts as prepared by the CCM industry. This comes from the Christian music machine trying to produce music that is more like ear-candy and short-term gratification much like the top 40 stations that play the more recent music such as Fergie, Flo-Rida, Souljah boy and trying to appeal to the segment of the population that tries to follow trends. However! I don't think they are trying to sell to the "musically advanced!" What we need in the church is a renaissance to bring up the standards of musicianship and appreciation of artistic ability. I think we Christians perpetuate the idea that Christians are substandard in the way of artistic appreciation by our lack of support for the arts. I am actually in the works now to start that renaissance here in my home town by trying to start a music school supported by our church but not just for church attenders, I would like to expand that into painting and dance and other various areas of artistic expression. The church has lost it's soul because it no longer supports the arts. We have lost that segment of our world because we have shunned the artist.


This statement really got me thinking and we have seen society as a whole, due to shrinking education budgets, turn away (more like run away) from the arts. We need to fund education better so that way we are not short changing the artistic side of society. What's the first thing to get cut in a shrinking education budget? The art and music programs.

Last year, the high school my wife teaches at got a new football field to the tune of $1.2 million. This year, due to budget shortfalls, they had to cut the budget for books and school supplies by.... can you guess? $1.6 million. I LOVE football but I don't think it is the end-all-be-all of the high school education experience.

The justification for the new field was that the players weren't performing well because they were "ashamed" of their field. God is good though. They lost 53-7 to a team whose home field was in horrible condition. I retorted to the principal, who pushed this project through and who was an ex-football coach, that it looked like his theory that the field was the problem was way off the mark!

One interesting footnote is that last week at the school board meeting an idea was proposed of opening a new high school but as an arts academy. Maybe there's hope for reviving the arts yet.

Back on topic: LA never had a Christian radio station when I was a young pup. It was KMET or KLOS for us rockers and KNAC for us metalheads. Now, for Christian music, our choices are AIR-1, AIR-1 and AIR-1. Whose signal is as crummy as most of the music they play. There are more Christian talk stations than those that play music.

Of course , this is CA, the pagan's paradise.

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 8:52:50 AM   
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Of course , this is CA, the pagan's paradise.
Until 4 or 5 years ago we didn't have a full time Christian music station either. We had one FM station, and they played music for two or three hours in the afternoon. Then they announced a new format, all music. I was psyched! Until they actually started broadcasting. "Family Safe" radio. They had more variety and better music when they were limited to a couple of hours. What's really sad is four years later they're still billing themselves as the "new sound of Star 99 FM". Um, excuse me, but nothing is new after 4 years. We've got a soccer mom from 10 to 2, then a dad who airs his kids almost as much as music from 2 to 6. And those are the two best dj's in the lineup.

But hey, it's better than nothing??


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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 10:19:20 AM   
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In fairness the secular stations aren't much better with their anorexic playlists and deep rooted fears of anything the least bit innovative or creative. I was just checking out my local rock station's last played for several hours and its mostly the same old stuff. Except they have a Nirvana fetish so they play old stuff as long as its grunge or 90s "pop punk".

To be fair, they do play Flogging Molly regularly (not as much as Nirvana but then again, Nirvana is the greatest band ever created ) and even had a Mutemath song in there. So baby steps ...

As to the OP I'd like to hear classic Christian music stations but I suppose there isn't any money in it. And thats what its all about be it revenues or donations.

I've clamoured in the past for Christian labels to release back catalog with remastering and deluxe packaging. The Christian music industry's apathy toward its own history is disappointing.

At least many of them are on Itunes. Compressed and not great sounding but they are there.

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 12:56:55 PM   
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Until they actually started broadcasting. "Family Safe" radio. They had more variety and better music when they were limited to a couple of hours. What's really sad is four years later they're still billing themselves as the "new sound of Star 99 FM". Um, excuse me, but nothing is new after 4 years. We've got a soccer mom from 10 to 2, then a dad who airs his kids almost as much as music from 2 to 6. And those are the two best dj's in the lineup.

But hey, it's better than nothing??



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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 12:58:29 PM   
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The Christian music industry's apathy toward its own history is disappointing.



I thinks you summed it all up in this sentence!

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 2:45:31 PM   
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Back on topic: LA never had a Christian radio station when I was a young pup. It was KMET or KLOS for us rockers and KNAC for us metalheads. Now, for Christian music, our choices are AIR-1, AIR-1 and AIR-1. Whose signal is as crummy as most of the music they play. There are more Christian talk stations than those that play music.

Of course , this is CA, the pagan's paradise.

For several years, The Ground Floor with Kevin Allison (a hero in my opinion) played on KYMS in Orange County, until squeezed out because "rock-n-roll" didn't fit the "ministry" of the station. (The station didn't last long after that. It's now a Vietnamese language station)

Kevin eventually "crash landed" at KFSG and had several years of great music and ministry there.

Unfortunately, the denomination that owned KFSG decided that they wanted to sell of the station to dedicate more money to "missions" (Never mind the fact that it had a potential audience of 10,000,000 listeners).

A couple of years later, it was revealed that most of the money from the sale of the station was lost in a ponzi scheme.


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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 2:52:28 PM   
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One of the Christian FMs here in North Georgia (and for a while the ONLY one), has what has to be the most asinine (and epic) promo lines in radio history....

"Lifting up the rock that holds, not the rock that rolls! Victory (victory) 91.5, WWEV, Cumming/Atlanta......rock solid!"

They've been using that exact same cheesy promo for the last seven years or so.....

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 2:58:46 PM   
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One reason: $$$$$$$
Another reason - Those artists were just that, artists. Today's Christian music excels in the art of mediocrity. With very few exceptions, the most popular acts in Christian music today are bland, corporate sponsored, and not capable of producing a decent song. How does Matthew West get so much airplay when he can't sing. play, or write, while a truly gifted songwriter like Jon Troast labors in near obscurity. How does Michael W. Smith continue to sell millions of cd's singing somebody else's worship songs while most people don't even know who Paul Baloche is? Ask 10 thirty or younger people who wrote the song Above All and eight will tell you MWS. WRONNNNGGG!!! How can a group like Caedmon's Call not have a gold record to their credit but Mercy Me can sell 10 million?

Because Christian music is all about being "safe" and "for everybody" instead of rewarding true talent.

That ends my rant, for now.




Saw Paul Baloche earlier this year. He was simply amazing. He did a worship clinic before the concernt for worship leaders that was worth the price of the ticket, one of my all time favorite things to go too.

I will add I would love to hear some Sweet Comfort Band as well. Loved them growing up.
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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/22/2009 5:25:35 PM   
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I tried, I really did, but I've given up on Christian music radio here where I live. One station is local, the other Air 1, but you couldn't tell them apart if someone held a pistol to your head.

The music they play is bland, homogenized, crank-'em-out fluff, and the DJs are painfully unfunny and fake cheery. Yeah, it may be "family friendly" radio, but this ol' saved hippie would give 'em a ham sandwich (on rye!) if they actually played something that rocked. ANYTHING that rocked.

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RE: Classic Christian Music? Really? - 4/23/2009 10:01:06 AM   
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I was very disappointed a few years ago to learn that Sparrow had dropped Phil Keaggy from contract. He was not "commercial enough" or some such nonsense. He is still the best guitarist out there. (nothing mediocre about him at all)

Apparently the audience cares little for virtuosity.

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