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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 7:11:15 AM
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Johnny_
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No, democracy is certainly not lost. Democracy is still alive and doing well, it has been this way for the past 300 years, this will never change. This country is and always will be one nation under God regardless of who is the President of the United States. We will serve one President and we will serve one God. As long as the President does not require us to do anything that is contrary to scripture, then we will submit to authority as we rightly should. We can keep our religious beliefs and serve this nation as well, I am confident that both can be accomplished.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 7:58:40 AM
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Bud41
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I believe democracy is in great peril in this country. Why?
1. Obama says he will use sweeping executive orders immdiately upon entering the White House.
2. He plans on raising up a "civilian security force". Sounds very SS-like to me.
3. The government is buying shares of private companies in these bail-outs. The door to socialism has swung wide open.
4. Free speech WILL be curtailed - it will be illegal to speak pr preach against historic moral issues such as homosexuality in the very near future.
Yes friends, democracy in this country is on life support.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 8:14:05 AM
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SonInMe1
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Yes friends, democracy in this country is on life support.
Only if we let it.
Only if we sit in our churches and let our voices be silent in our government.
Only if christians do not vote with Christ in mind.
Only if...we let true conservatism die.
Only if..we let fear control us and suck at the government teat.
Only if...we let more charity go into the hands of government.
Only if..we deny the truths in the bible for CULTURE and what makes us feel good over what is biblically right.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 8:32:31 AM
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ekserekseez
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Democracy lost in this country because most Americans are now lazy socialists who willingly trade their own freedom for a government handout.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:01:31 AM
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blessedinnyc
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With a liberal President elect, I am curious to see just how long true Democracy in this country will last.
What are your thoughts on Democracy in this country? Where do you think democracy will head with our current President elect?
Let's see. How many Librul presidents have we had over the past century?
-Clinton (8 years)
-Carter (4 years)
-Kennedy/Johnson (8 years)
-Roosevelt/Truman (20 years)
-Woodrow Wilson (8 years)
-(TR? If so, 8 years)
TOTAL: 48 (56) years
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:14:42 AM
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stamper_ben
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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc
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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Above_All
With a liberal President elect, I am curious to see just how long true Democracy in this country will last.
What are your thoughts on Democracy in this country? Where do you think democracy will head with our current President elect?
Let's see. How many Librul presidents have we had over the past century?
-Clinton (8 years)
-Carter (4 years)
-Kennedy/Johnson (8 years)
-Roosevelt/Truman (20 years)
-Woodrow Wilson (8 years)
-(TR? If so, 8 years)
TOTAL: 48 (56) years
Yup. See where its led to? 
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:24:00 AM
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blessedinnyc
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Yup. See where its led to?
Are you honestly saying that you'd rather go back a hundred years?
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:31:05 AM
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Jhud
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Are you honestly saying that you'd rather go back a hundred years?
In some respects, certainly.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:37:45 AM
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blessedinnyc
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Are you honestly saying that you'd rather go back a hundred years?
In some respects, certainly.
Ok, but I'd like to keep the running water, modern medicine, internet, safe workplaces, EPA, and anti-trust laws.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:41:05 AM
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Jhud
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Ok, but I'd like to keep the running water, modern medicine, internet, safe workplaces, EPA, and anti-trust laws.
Certainly; I just wish we could have these things without becoming wussified wards of the state.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 9:43:52 AM
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Jhud
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Democracy lost in this country because most Americans are now lazy socialists who willingly trade their own freedom for a government handout.
While I often find myself in agreement with these sentiments, they so often come across like Marie Antoinette demanding, "Let them eat cake!"
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- C.S. Lewis
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 10:12:03 AM
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rlj
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Certainly; I just wish we could have these things without becoming wussified wards of the state.
That was classic. I almost want to make that a sig or a bumper sticker or something.
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Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 10:32:25 AM
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PaleHawkWoman
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
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Are you honestly saying that you'd rather go back a hundred years?
In some respects, certainly.
Ok, but I'd like to keep the running water, modern medicine, internet, safe workplaces, EPA, and anti-trust laws.
I'd like to keep my citizenship- 100 yrs ago Native Americans weren't even considered human beings and women were the "chattel property" of their fathers or husbands.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 10:36:58 AM
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ekserekseez
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While I often find myself in agreement with these sentiments, they so often come across like Marie Antoinette demanding, "Let them eat cake!"
A much-maligned woman, who unfortunately had an inordinate fondness for Viennese pastries (she was a Hapsburg, after all).
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 12:00:43 PM
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catfighter
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Are you honestly saying that you'd rather go back a hundred years?
In some respects, certainly.
A statement only a white, protestant, male would make.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 12:08:10 PM
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ekserekseez
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A statement only a white, protestant, male would make.
Probably true. For instance, I'd go back 2000 years, but only if I could be Emperor of Rome.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 12:31:20 PM
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Jhud
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A statement only a white, protestant, male would make.
Well 100 years ago my family was Native American, being wiped out by Turks, Catholic, and dirt poor (and I mean literallly, Mississippi mud farm dirt) so I'm certainly not speaking as one who is pollyannish about the past.
And white, Protestant males are among the most likely to become soft in the modern world.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 12:57:07 PM
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ekserekseez
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Well 100 years ago my family was Native American, being wiped out by Turks, Catholic, and dirt poor (and I mean literallly, Mississippi mud farm dirt) so I'm certainly not speaking as one who is pollyannish about the past.
Out of curiosity, where was your family that it was Native American but being wiped out by Turks and Catholics? Just wondering. My family has no interesting past.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 1:30:13 PM
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Jhud
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Out of curiosity, where was your family that it was Native American but being wiped out by Turks and Catholics? Just wondering. My family has no interesting past.
The Armenian part of my family was the remnant that left during the Aremenian Genocide. The Catholic part of the family was working the rice fields in Louisiana, and my Native American great-grandmother was being assimilated through marriage to my Dutch-English trapper grandfather.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
- C.S. Lewis
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 1:47:24 PM
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sue244
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No, democracy is certainly not lost. Democracy is still alive and doing well, it has been this way for the past 300 years, this will never change. This country is and always will be one nation under God regardless of who is the President of the United States. We will serve one President and we will serve one God. As long as the President does not require us to do anything that is contrary to scripture, then we will submit to authority as we rightly should. We can keep our religious beliefs and serve this nation as well, I am confident that both can be accomplished.
This attitude is excatly why deomcracies to fall. Pride goeth before the fall. We have not served one God for a long time in this country, we serve money, populartiy, youth, power, etc. From a historical prespective Democracies tend to impolde from within.
Jhud I'm with you I would go back 100 years as well and I'm defenitly not Male. And I don't have a pollyannish feel of the past either but I also don't buy into the Liberal view of American history as all about the domination of the evil WASP males.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 1:59:34 PM
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stamper_ben
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People, we just had a peaceful transfer of power. Quit whining. 
We'll have to see how peaceful the next transfer is though, won't we...
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 2:30:49 PM
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ekserekseez
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The Armenian part of my family was the remnant that left during the Aremenian Genocide. The Catholic part of the family was working the rice fields in Louisiana, and my Native American great-grandmother was being assimilated through marriage to my Dutch-English trapper grandfather.
An interesting and varied heritage! Most Americans are woefully ignorant of the Armenian genocide.
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RE: Democracy Lost - 11/12/2008 2:41:58 PM
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Jhud
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An interesting and varied heritage! Most Americans are woefully ignorant of the Armenian genocide.
My orphaned grandmother sadly was not.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
- C.S. Lewis
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