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Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has chang... - 11/5/2008 12:41:02 PM
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SeminoleTom
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I know there is an election board but hopefully this can stay on the general board because not everyone goes over there.
Anyway, I voted yesterday and the guy I voted for lost. You know since I've become deeper in my walk with Christ it's almost as if I feel it's no big deal. Before becoming Born Again I would get very upset if the person I voted for lost...now it's almost like I'm free from that. Maybe it's because I know that in the end God is in charge. So did you vote yesterday and do you become angry if your guy loses?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 12:42:26 PM
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MrFribbles
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Sounds like you have a very mature view of yesterday's events. Praise God! : )
Yes, I did vote yesterday, and yes, my guy lost. But I was expecting that, since I voted for a 3rd party. I know God's in control, though.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 12:44:56 PM
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manda59
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No I didn't vote yesterday.
But the guy who won is the guy for whom I would have voted if I'd been a Yank.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 12:46:26 PM
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d4nnyb0y02
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I voted, and yes the one I voted for lost as well. But, all is in God's sovereign will, you're right about that! Even the bad decisions a country makes. Praise HIM. :).
Unfortunately the moral stances are taking a backseat to the political stances this year, and perhaps in the years to come as well. It's been going that way for a long time, and will eventually go there altogether as we get closer and closer to the return of Christ. It's all good. :)
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 12:48:01 PM
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dianetavegia
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I did vote against Obama yesterday and am very hurt that he won. I am upset because our next president does not espouse or embrace Christian values. He does not value life or marriage between a man and a woman. I could go on and on.
Am I surprised? No. I'll be 58 in late December and the America I grew up loving no longer exists.
Scripture says:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son.
Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption is coming quickly.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 12:51:17 PM
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d4nnyb0y02
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ORIGINAL: dianetavegia
Amen. And, in this sense... the reminder of Christ's return should also excite us.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 12:55:20 PM
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Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption is coming quickly.
Amen! I prayed that our nation would acknowledge God over their pocketbooks and I'm saddened that they did not but God is in control!
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 1:10:52 PM
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galadriel2
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Yep and ditto! We have a new America arising to power - an extremely foolish one - but then the last 16 years of America have been pretty foolish as well. I think that the Lord will use Sen. Obama to deceive many people. He already has. The Lord is judging America.
God bless all abundantly and always and only in and through our Lord Jesus Christ - by us being in Him and He in us,
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 1:26:36 PM
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hotsaucygma
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Yes I voted yesterday. I believe my vote "counted" whether or not "my" candidate won.
I find it interesting that so many people feel that because Obama won all is lost. Why? When "W" won, all was not "gained" - actually not much was gained at all if you voted for him because he was "pro-life" and you wanted Roe v Wade overturned, or thinking America would have more "christian values" because of it.
My feeling is whether or not I voted for him, Obama is my President-elect. I will support him with my prayers and any other way I can. My feeling is judging him before he has done anything is not supporting him- or my country.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 1:37:22 PM
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TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: hotsaucygma
Yes I voted yesterday. I believe my vote "counted" wether or not "my" candidate won.
I find it interesting that so many people feel that because Obama won all is lost. Why? When "W" won, all was not "gained" - actually not much was gained at all if you voted for him because he was "pro-life" and you wanted Roe v Wade overturned, or thinking America would have more "christian values" because of it.
AMEN!!!
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My feeling is whether or not I voted for him, Obama is my President-elect. I will support him with my prayers and any other way I can. My feeling is judging him before he has done anything is not supporting him- or my country.
For whatever reason, we must have faith that God knows what He is doing, and this is why Obama is in charge. In their speeches, last night, both Barack Obama and John McCain acknowledged one another's good points (instead of resorting to more cheap shots or gloating) and pledged to work WITH one another to fix a broken country. Let's give them a chance to do so.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:05:15 PM
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dianetavegia
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God was in charge during the times and destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. God was in charge when Adam and Eve sinned. God was in charge when only Noah was a good man and the earth destroyed.
God allows us to make very bad decisions and live with the ramifications of such decisions. 'Reprobate mind' is a phrase that might fit this situation.
Mentally, I am putting Blood of THE Lamb on my door frame.
Exodus 12:13 Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:11:34 PM
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TorchHeart
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God was in charge when Joseph was sold as a slave, only to emerge as someone who would help Egypt during a horrible famine. God was in charge when the Israelites were in bondage and later stuck in the desert, but God led them through it to the Promise land. God was in charge with David when he had to overcome Goliath and later Saul to become the King of Israel. God is always in charge, even when you think things look dark.
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God allows us to make very bad decisions and live with the ramifications of such decisions. 'Reprobate mind' is a phrase that might fit this situation.
And you have proof that this is exactly what's happening this time? Because you disagree with two issues that even Christianity itself is split on? The last 8 years we can look back at and say that this is what God allowed to happen.... us live with our bad decisions
Why are you so afraid?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:21:54 PM
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DuckTalk
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I voted two weeks ago. It's sad that I did not vote for anyone. I voted against.
I don't believe that God places every person in the Presidency anymore than He places every man or woman in His ministry. He calls some to the position, while others see it as a manipulative position of power and charm their way in. I'm sure that Satan has his own army, also. They have as free a will on this earth as a godly person does, so whose to say otherwise?
WE, OUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE is what puts them there and while by our own choices, we either show Him that we are for godly morality or not (and in this case, we as a nation, have evidently decided that we are not) so He (God) always gets stuck with our choices, whether immoral or not to work out for His Kingdom.
I do not believe the anti-christ has taken the seat of the the highest office in America. That's just maniacal over-zealousness, but I do believe that this presidency will fling the door wide-open to welcome those anti-christs with open arms. We are already embracing one. His name is the "ACLU". He has been kept at bay as long as possible because he is the father of many illegitimate offspring, namely "Political Correctness". Now PC's sibling brother will come in & sit next to him and be called, "Pro Choice".
God did not do this. WE did this. All we can do now is pray for the humans lives that will be denied their right to live because they will be sucked right out of the womb and pray for the souls of those who choose to support the ungodly, immoral majority because clearly, it is only going to get worse.
I would love to be wrong.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:38:55 PM
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d4nnyb0y02
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And you have proof that this is exactly what's happening this time? Because you disagree with two issues that even Christianity itself is split on? The last 8 years we can look back at and say that this is what God allowed to happen.... us live with our bad decisions
The last 8 years being painful is an opinion, but regardless... we are going to suffer difficulty and pain no matter what decisions we make. However, it is best to make our decisions good. Joseph was thrown into a pit, and for what? Daniel was thrown into a Lion's den, and for what? The three in the furnace... there for what? We are going to suffer, but if I'm going to suffer... I'd rather know I suffer not because of any poor decisions of my own. That's the point.
"Christianity" might be split on the two issues you are referring to, but God's Word isn't.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:45:03 PM
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hotsaucygma
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While I agree that "we" have made many choices that are not necessarily of the highest "moral" choice, I don't know that this President will fling the door any wider than it already is. The ACLU has been around for a long time. It will be here a lot longer. "Political Correctness" didn't disappear in the last 8 years and I don't expect it will now either. As for Pro Choice, well that didn't disappear in the last 8 years either- I do not believe any more or any less human lives will be "sucked out of the womb" because of Obamb's election than if McCain had been elected, unfortunately Roe v Wade is very unlikely to be overturned no matter who is President. Perhaps if we focus on changing the "choice" before the it gets to that point we will have more success.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:47:23 PM
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TorchHeart
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Its far from an opinion, but you can live in whatever cloud you'd like. We lived in a world of broken promises and lies. We went to war based on lies. We still have abortion. There was never an ammendment made to ban gay marriage (both of those issues went away for four years... and for the record, both of those issues were reasons why I voted for Bush, TWICE! and was let down). And, to be frank, I'll go back an extra 12 years as well, and say that its been that long.
Aside from that, you're right. We are going to suffer for whatever decisions we make. That is the world.
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We are going to suffer, but if I'm going to suffer... I'd rather know I suffer not because of any poor decisions of my own.
I'm the exact same way. And I don't believe I made a poor decision, either. I put my faith in God, and voted for Obama, who I believed is the better candidate. He now has four years to prove me right or wrong. If his speeches turn out to be a pack of lies like Bush, Jr.'s, I'll be more than happy to send him packing and vote for the Republican candidate
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"Christianity" might be split on the two issues you are referring to, but God's Word isn't.
On only one of those issues is God's Word even remotely clear. And even on that, we have debates on how to handle the situation. If it wasn't, how do you explain so many factions of our faith having so many differing opinions on how to interpret God's word and fit it into the reality of this world.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:48:10 PM
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ChelaW
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Yes, I voted and I'm very pleased with the outcome! I personally believe this is a blessing from God.
But either way, I agree with you. I no longer foolishly believe that the fate of our nation rests in the hands of a human. It's all in God's hands.
I do want to say that I don't necessarily think that the "other guy" was the most Christian choice. IMO, he ran a very un-Christian campaign. How Christian is it to mudsling like he did? To foster an us against them mentality. To divide a nation. To call someone a terrorist, who's clearly not one.
Just sayin'.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:50:18 PM
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siapa
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"Christianity" might be split on the two issues you are referring to, but God's Word isn't.
...that's so true, amen! I really believe that everything goes according to its course, approaching the end of time...towards the book of Revelation. God bless.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 2:55:52 PM
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Yes, I voted (got the sticker to prove it!  ).
America in many ways has turned its back on God, and George Washington warned us against this by pointing with a sword to Deut. 28 (the chapter about a nation's blessings and cursings dependent on their following Him) in his inaugural protrait (don't remember if the first or second).
There are a lot of things going on in this world: North Korea, formerly a very Christian nation, is in it's third generation of severe oppression and starvation (pray for Korea!). East Timor, which was a Christian island in Indoneasia, is now missing a large chunk of it's population, and what is left is all Islamic. Sudan has been murdering and enslaving people for over 20 years with the blessings/pointed "ignorance" of the Islamic government (all of whom were born elsewhere).
So far the Americans have gotten off very easy, compared to being a Christian in Egypt and elsewhere. Pray for revival!
The two big exoduses in the OT came from people following gods instead of God, so God sent famines, pestilences and war (killing a high number of the Israelis) to convince the people they needed to turn back to God. God protect this nation from being that idolatrous, but it may already be here. Pray for revival! And cling to God, no matter what. He is good, and He is faithful. The story isn't over yet, but if you look at the back of the Book, God wins. May He be glorified forever!
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 3:02:44 PM
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siapa
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...... East Timor, which was a Christian island in Indoneasia, is now missing a large chunk of it's population, and what is left is all Islamic. Sudan has been murdering and enslaving people for over 20 years with the blessings/pointed "ignorance" of the Islamic government (all of whom were born elsewhere)..........
And I think islam is growing right here, too! But as long as our Loving & True God (Jesus Christ) is on our side, we fear them not, amen.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 3:04:59 PM
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Kat_D
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Did I vote?
Yes.
Did my candidate win?
No.
Did anything change about my God because my candidate didn't win?
No.
What am I doing today?
I'm praying for my country and the new administration that was elected to oversee it
14 "...if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."
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