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Dying to Reputation - 9/13/2008 10:01:06 AM
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LivingParadox
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Job 30 (The Message) 9-15 "But now I'm the one they're after, mistreating me, taunting and mocking. They abhor me, they abuse me. How dare those scoundrels—they spit in my face! Now that God has undone me and left me in a heap, they hold nothing back. Anything goes. They come at me from my blind side, trip me up, then jump on me while I'm down. They throw every kind of obstacle in my path, determined to ruin me— and no one lifts a finger to help me! They violate my broken body, trample through the rubble of my ruined life. Terrors assault me— my dignity in shreds, salvation up in smoke. I wanted to post on the topic of how to handle attacks on reputation. I would be interested in how others have handled situations where they have been the target of slander and lies. If it's a whisper campaign how to you directly confront the offender? Do you remain silent as such accusations don't deserve a reply? Do you put out a "press release" (much like politicians do to refute the latest rumor of the day) -- not that the average person can release a rebuttal. It seems we live in a day and age especially via the internet that their is a distinct personality that is more than willing to ruin the reputaton of someone based on at best faulty information of another individual. I don't think this is anything new as the scripture points out that even from the time of Job this has gone on but with the advent of New Media do you think this is becoming much more efficent at destroying another? Looking at this election, if you don't agree with another's view that is OK to defend our views but do we as Christian really pursue the truth? Are we willing to slander another to further our ends? Not accusing anyone of anything but just had the topic on mind and was wondering as Christians do we handle reputation, our and the protection of other's reputation?
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/13/2008 12:11:48 PM
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Little_1
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Wow - what a question. This past year, I have had gone through the experience with someone I hold dear who has been misquoted, lied about, their work reputation has been dragged through the mud in the press and media and this is how we have reacted: this person has done as God has told him to and has told the truth and has not tried to get even or put things right again via the Press and media. The situation is in instead placed in the Hands of God to work through. It has been difficult year but God will do the vindicating we strongly believe and will prepare a table before us in the presence of our enemies. Yes I do believe the media and press can destroy a person's reputation and I see the work of the devil (who seeks to kill and destroy) very much behind the scenes in this situation but I hold fast to the fact that God works all things together for good for those who love Him and we await His mighty outworkings in this whole horrible and sad situation.
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/13/2008 12:37:24 PM
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Christ is ... our Advocate (according to Heb. 9:24 NLT) our Defender (several places in the Bible)
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/13/2008 1:12:04 PM
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LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: Little_1 Wow - what a question. This past year, I have had gone through the experience with someone I hold dear who has been misquoted, lied about, their work reputation has been dragged through the mud in the press and media and this is how we have reacted: this person has done as God has told him to and has told the truth and has not tried to get even or put things right again via the Press and media. The situation is in instead placed in the Hands of God to work through. It has been difficult year but God will do the vindicating we strongly believe and will prepare a table before us in the presence of our enemies. Yes I do believe the media and press can destroy a person's reputation and I see the work of the devil (who seeks to kill and destroy) very much behind the scenes in this situation but I hold fast to the fact that God works all things together for good for those who love Him and we await His mighty outworkings in this whole horrible and sad situation. I say a prayer for your friend to be vidicated and know that God is already in the works. I have no doubt that although the winds press and howl in the process, your own personal huricanne that your friend following God's lead and sticking to the truth will save them. From my own experience, I think these kind of circumstances bring the laments of David personally to us... "how long oh, Lord will you allow my enemies to torment me". The great thing about David's writings we know that as intense as the attacks were that God was/is faithful. Actually maybe dying to our own reputation frees us to simply do what God tells us. It's not like we have to worry about our reputation with people (or that we ever should have worried).
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/13/2008 1:30:22 PM
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ORIGINAL: Little_1 Wow - what a question. This past year, I have had gone through the experience with someone I hold dear who has been misquoted, lied about, their work reputation has been dragged through the mud in the press and media and this is how we have reacted: this person has done as God has told him to and has told the truth and has not tried to get even or put things right again via the Press and media. The situation is in instead placed in the Hands of God to work through. It has been difficult year but God will do the vindicating we strongly believe and will prepare a table before us in the presence of our enemies. Yes I do believe the media and press can destroy a person's reputation and I see the work of the devil (who seeks to kill and destroy) very much behind the scenes in this situation but I hold fast to the fact that God works all things together for good for those who love Him and we await His mighty outworkings in this whole horrible and sad situation. I say a prayer for your friend to be vidicated and know that God is already in the works. I have no doubt that although the winds press and howl in the process, your own personal huricanne that your friend following God's lead and sticking to the truth will save them. From my own experience, I think these kind of circumstances bring the laments of David personally to us... "how long oh, Lord will you allow my enemies to torment me". The great thing about David's writings we know that as intense as the attacks were that God was/is faithful. Actually maybe dying to our own reputation frees us to simply do what God tells us. It's not like we have to worry about our reputation with people (or that we ever should have worried). Thank you LP. I appreciate your prayers and thank you for your encouraging post in response. L1
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/14/2008 8:23:51 PM
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I wanted to post on the topic of how to handle attacks on reputation. I would be interested in how others have handled situations where they have been the target of slander and lies. If it's a whisper campaign how to you directly confront the offender? Do you remain silent as such accusations don't deserve a reply? Do you put out a "press release" (much like politicians do to refute the latest rumor of the day) -- not that the average person can release a rebuttal. It seems we live in a day and age especially via the internet that their is a distinct personality that is more than willing to ruin the reputaton of someone based on at best faulty information of another individual. I don't think this is anything new as the scripture points out that even from the time of Job this has gone on but with the advent of New Media do you think this is becoming much more efficent at destroying another? Looking at this election, if you don't agree with another's view that is OK to defend our views but do we as Christian really pursue the truth? Are we willing to slander another to further our ends? Not accusing anyone of anything but just had the topic on mind and was wondering as Christians do we handle reputation, our and the protection of other's reputation? I have lived this. And my husband said we walk away. And we did. It was a pastor who began the 'whisper campaign.' He felt threatened. And when prideful men feel threatened, they usually respond in fleshly ways such as this. He did. He quietly spoke to others in leadership. . . those he knew would believe him. Others chose not to be a part of what he was doing. And my husband who was also one in leadership said 'enough'. They held a meeting and would not be honest or open about their accusations. Whisperers seldom are. So we left. It is hard. We had been a part of the church for years. The pastor was new. But he had the title. And many believe they cannot speak against a pastor. Even when he is in sin. God will deal with all of it and I pray for this man's repentance. My reputation? It is in the Lord's hands. That is the ultimate safe place. I do not have to justify myself. Edited to add: If you are living by the Spirit, this will happen over and over and over again. Natural man does not understand spiritual man. And don't let those in the church get you confused---most in the church are natural men. Just ask Jesus.[:) So we have to leave our reputation with Him.]
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/15/2008 12:28:15 PM
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LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: Liveloved quote:
I wanted to post on the topic of how to handle attacks on reputation. I would be interested in how others have handled situations where they have been the target of slander and lies. If it's a whisper campaign how to you directly confront the offender? Do you remain silent as such accusations don't deserve a reply? Do you put out a "press release" (much like politicians do to refute the latest rumor of the day) -- not that the average person can release a rebuttal. It seems we live in a day and age especially via the internet that their is a distinct personality that is more than willing to ruin the reputaton of someone based on at best faulty information of another individual. I don't think this is anything new as the scripture points out that even from the time of Job this has gone on but with the advent of New Media do you think this is becoming much more efficent at destroying another? Looking at this election, if you don't agree with another's view that is OK to defend our views but do we as Christian really pursue the truth? Are we willing to slander another to further our ends? Not accusing anyone of anything but just had the topic on mind and was wondering as Christians do we handle reputation, our and the protection of other's reputation? I have lived this. And my husband said we walk away. And we did. It was a pastor who began the 'whisper campaign.' He felt threatened. And when prideful men feel threatened, they usually respond in fleshly ways such as this. He did. He quietly spoke to others in leadership. . . those he knew would believe him. Others chose not to be a part of what he was doing. And my husband who was also one in leadership said 'enough'. They held a meeting and would not be honest or open about their accusations. Whisperers seldom are. So we left. It is hard. We had been a part of the church for years. The pastor was new. But he had the title. And many believe they cannot speak against a pastor. Even when he is in sin. God will deal with all of it and I pray for this man's repentance. My reputation? It is in the Lord's hands. That is the ultimate safe place. I do not have to justify myself. Edited to add: If you are living by the Spirit, this will happen over and over and over again. Natural man does not understand spiritual man. And don't let those in the church get you confused---most in the church are natural men. Just ask Jesus.[:) So we have to leave our reputation with Him.] Thank you for these comments and I know they are true. And from my experience the more on target you are with the truth the more intense the attacks will come. I'm just whining for the unfairness of it all but when I think of the Cross, I have no right to whine -- a sinless man taking my sins -- that's unfair -- but beautiful.
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/15/2008 3:41:00 PM
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Liveloved
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And from my experience the more on target you are with the truth the more intense the attacks will come. Amen. So we look to Jesus. That was His experience and will be ours the closer we grow to Him.
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RE: Dying to Reputation - 9/15/2008 8:32:07 PM
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WEll, you've come to the right place. Just go under the Doctrine folder and you'll see Christians throw dirt on other pastors. Sigh . . . just pathetic. 99.9% of what is said under that folder is nothing more than slander and hearsay. God has told a lot of these pastors NOT to fight back, but to let God take care of it. And He does. The best the person who is attacked can is pray for the offender and trust God to stand up for him. At least that's what those pastors do and God does stand up for them. Defending oneself will only make the situation worse. Jesus never stood up for Himself, but trusted God to take care of everything and He did. I know Joyce Meyer never defends herself in fact she just ignores the hearsay and slanders and God keeps blessing her ministry. That's God moving. We can learn from her situation. Trust God and let Him deal with the offenders. Also pray, pray, pray for the offender. They are opening up doors to the enemy that only God can shut. And trust me, that's a door no one wants to open, but many do. God can't and won't use someone who spreads slanders, lies and gossip about others. quote:
ORIGINAL: LivingParadox Job 30 (The Message) 9-15 "But now I'm the one they're after, mistreating me, taunting and mocking. They abhor me, they abuse me. How dare those scoundrels—they spit in my face! Now that God has undone me and left me in a heap, they hold nothing back. Anything goes. They come at me from my blind side, trip me up, then jump on me while I'm down. They throw every kind of obstacle in my path, determined to ruin me— and no one lifts a finger to help me! They violate my broken body, trample through the rubble of my ruined life. Terrors assault me— my dignity in shreds, salvation up in smoke. I wanted to post on the topic of how to handle attacks on reputation. I would be interested in how others have handled situations where they have been the target of slander and lies. If it's a whisper campaign how to you directly confront the offender? Do you remain silent as such accusations don't deserve a reply? Do you put out a "press release" (much like politicians do to refute the latest rumor of the day) -- not that the average person can release a rebuttal. It seems we live in a day and age especially via the internet that their is a distinct personality that is more than willing to ruin the reputaton of someone based on at best faulty information of another individual. I don't think this is anything new as the scripture points out that even from the time of Job this has gone on but with the advent of New Media do you think this is becoming much more efficent at destroying another? Looking at this election, if you don't agree with another's view that is OK to defend our views but do we as Christian really pursue the truth? Are we willing to slander another to further our ends? Not accusing anyone of anything but just had the topic on mind and was wondering as Christians do we handle reputation, our and the protection of other's reputation?
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