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Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 2:13:52 PM
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befree712
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I wasn't sure where to post this, but I just figured this may be a good place since it talks about faith impacting your life.
I'm 24 years old in college and looking to vote in the next election. Honestly I wasn't even going to. I registered the last day that we could because I do have the right to vote and our economy is suffering. I have been undecided in the election and remain undecided still. But I'm still so confused about which candidate is the best for our country.
I feel like Obama has a great message to the American people. Change is what we need and he has given many examples of how he plans to stimulate our economy. Don't get me wrong, I have paid attention to the skeletons in his closet and I am a little concerned about his ties to some people in his life. But I do feel such a positive message from this man. So many people are judging him because of his race and supposed background.
I will not deny the fact that McCain served our country bravely. He was a POW for years. But I will say this. He's not the only one that has been a POW. I'm sure others have been POWs longer than him. And many have died in service for their country. So I do feel like he overplays that. The fact that he was a POW does not automatically qualify him for the presidency. I also feel that he has recently engaged in such attacks that have cause his rallies to become hateful. I understand that the Republican party are the more conservative ones and Christians are often associated with it. But if that's the case, I don't feel that they have been running a respectable campaign at all. I've heard more attacks on Obama from that campaign rather than what he plans on doing for the country. Even though his slogan is "Country First." He moved to attacking Obama when he slipped in the polls due to his inability to discuss the economy. His own top aide said they were going to lose if they kept talking about it. Now he gets the backlash for this, and has to change his campaign style again. And Palin comes in and has the nice girl look, but I haven't seen anything to be proud of yet from her...
This isn't posted to incite some heated debate. I'm just confused. Which candidate is better? I've been trying to decided and I'm not sure what to do really. I am a Christian and love God and care about what happens to our country.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 2:41:22 PM
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bob97
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Please just consider the facts and then make your decision;
Which candidate do you know more about?
Which candidate has consistently altered his mind; one thing to one group of people and another to the next?
Which candidate has continued to lie about his associations and his past?
Which candidate holds more to Christians values...marriage, abortion, etc?
Promises are cheap...you need to look at the past to see a mans heart.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 4:04:58 PM
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OneJohn410
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Pray. Consider who you'd like being in control of your world as you chose to walk as Christ would. Pray for guidance from God. Listen for His Spirit. There's a third party candidate you didn't mention, and this party can always win some votes. Consider what political party you are attracted to, and how things have played out for it to this point.
Congrats on registering! You'll find all you thinking, wondering, concerns, and such get reduced to maybe three minutes with a ballot after proving you are a legitimate US citizen, or an alien with a fake ID, and are registered to vote there (and maybe five other places if Acorn did its job right), and then tada! Your voice is heard.
Remember to get the I Voted Today sticker... I think those are printed in the US, but I'm not sure.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 4:06:01 PM
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TorchHeart
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Which candidate has consistently altered his mind; one thing to one group of people and another to the next?
Which candidate has continued to lie about his associations and his past?
Which candidate holds more to Christians values...marriage, abortion, etc?
Both of them have done all of this. So what's your point?
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 6:47:26 PM
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MrFribbles
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Which candidate is better?
Ask ten different Christians, you'll get ten different answers. : ) (well, OK, you may only get two different answers - McCain or Obama - but you'll get ten different reasons as to why they're better)
Consider what issues are important to you, personally. Then weigh that against what is really within the president's power to do (they aren't a king, after all!). I'd base my vote on that. Also, don't believe the hype. Research the issues for yourself.
Another piece of advice I have to throw in, given my own leanings - don't ignore the third parties. : )
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 7:08:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: befree712
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I just figured this may be a good place since it talks about faith impacting your life.
I'm 24 years old in college and looking to vote in the next election. Honestly I wasn't even going to. I registered the last day that we could because I do have the right to vote and our economy is suffering. I have been undecided in the election and remain undecided still. But I'm still so confused about which candidate is the best for our country.
I feel like Obama has a great message to the American people. Change is what we need and he has given many examples of how he plans to stimulate our economy. Don't get me wrong, I have paid attention to the skeletons in his closet and I am a little concerned about his ties to some people in his life. But I do feel such a positive message from this man. So many people are judging him because of his race and supposed background.
I will not deny the fact that McCain served our country bravely. He was a POW for years. But I will say this. He's not the only one that has been a POW. I'm sure others have been POWs longer than him. And many have died in service for their country. So I do feel like he overplays that. The fact that he was a POW does not automatically qualify him for the presidency. I also feel that he has recently engaged in such attacks that have cause his rallies to become hateful. I understand that the Republican party are the more conservative ones and Christians are often associated with it. But if that's the case, I don't feel that they have been running a respectable campaign at all. I've heard more attacks on Obama from that campaign rather than what he plans on doing for the country. Even though his slogan is "Country First." He moved to attacking Obama when he slipped in the polls due to his inability to discuss the economy. His own top aide said they were going to lose if they kept talking about it. Now he gets the backlash for this, and has to change his campaign style again. And Palin comes in and has the nice girl look, but I haven't seen anything to be proud of yet from her...
This isn't posted to incite some heated debate. I'm just confused. Which candidate is better? I've been trying to decided and I'm not sure what to do really. I am a Christian and love God and care about what happens to our country.
That's called bait, and he is hoping you bite lil fishy.
If you actually look at what he says, and what he does, and stop thinking with your wallet or purse since he is promising big tax breaks to the working man, and look at what he has done in his short time in public office, look at what he says he believes, and the lifestyle choices he promotes, and look at who he associated with for many many years only to cut ties with these people when they reflected negatively on his campaign, wow that is a lot of ands, you will finally see the real politician.
He is not a man of change, but the same old politician we have dealt with. Lies, lies, and more lies, but he will give you a tax break, and then make you pay back twice as much with all of his new programs.
People need to wake up.
McCain in my opinion is no better. Flip floppin, been in office for 30 years and is a part of the same old machine.
Tough choice this year.
At least McCain has Palin.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 7:40:45 PM
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bob97
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Both of them have done all of this. So what's your point?
TorchHeart...
You need to expand your research.
Bob
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 7:40:56 PM
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Kath
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Moving from General Faith to Election 2008
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 7:56:24 PM
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Hi BeFree,
These are confusing times. My advice to you is to pray to God. He is the only one who can give us the guidance we truly need.
Welcome to the board! (I'm new too.)
~NMR
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 10:03:33 PM
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TorchHeart
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TorchHeart...
You need to expand your research.
Bob
No, you need to actually DO some research instead of buying into silly little internet rumors started by nutjobs and conspiracy theorists. Especially if you are going with this garbage where I think you are (down the "Obama is a secret Muslim" road).
I've done my research. Plenty of it. Dor yours... using CREDIBLE sources.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 10:18:40 PM
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LivingParadox
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TorchHeart...
You need to expand your research.
Bob
No, you need to actually DO some research instead of buying into silly little internet rumors started by nutjobs and conspiracy theorists. Especially if you are going with this garbage where I think you are (down the "Obama is a secret Muslim" road).
I've done my research. Plenty of it. Dor yours... using CREDIBLE sources.
I don't know many that has bought into that rumor. But as for Ayers, Rezko, Wright, ACORN those are all pretty much true. It's so disappointing watching the Obama campaign act like it's taking the high road while slinging obsenities at Palin.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/13/2008 10:52:58 PM
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leonfigg3
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befree72,
Welcome, and good luck.
Now, I hope you don't mind me being a little critical. You say you are confused who to vote for but from your post, it seems that you have already made up your mind. You praise Obama for his message of change, but then you take a critical stand about the MCCain campaign. It seems to me that if you were truely confused you would talk about the message that each canidate put out.
This is what drives me crazy about individuals who claim to be independent and undecided but spout the party line of the the political party that most closely reflects their true political ideology.
If you are truely confused pray for wisdom and vote for the individual you agree with the most, and believwe will truely do the better job and fulfill all of his responsibilities as President.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 2:46:00 AM
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befree712
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Leonfigg3 - I appreciate your comments. But do please know that regardless of how I sound on here, I am truly confused and really unsure of who I am voting for. I apologize for anything misleading in my statements, but I was writing the message before I had to leave for my graduate class and went ahead and posted it anyway when I realized the time went by faster than I thought.
Plus, I will say that before you seem to call me an individual who claims to be independent but really not, get to know me a little better first. Also, if I were to write all of what I really felt and thought, then it would take a page or two, not just a few paragraphs. I do praise Obama for his ability to connect to the American people on the issues we feel are hurting us. I would praise McCain, but lately I will say that I meant to say earlier that I just expected more from him, not just mainly the negative attacks on Obama with an occasional unclear attack on the issues every now and then. Perhaps that leads to part of my confusion. I am allowed to have my opinions up to this point, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I already have a "true political ideology".
So thank you again for your comment, but trust me I'm not one of those that is driving you crazy.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 6:37:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: leonfigg3
Now, I hope you don't mind me being a little critical. You say you are confused who to vote for but from your post, it seems that you have already made up your mind. You praise Obama for his message of change, but then you take a critical stand about the MCCain campaign. It seems to me that if you were truely confused you would talk about the message that each canidate put out.
I don't think that necessarily means he's got his mind made up - sounds more like someone who's just been listening to mainstream media and not doing the research for themselves. I can see why you'd be confused. I commend you for getting out there. You can get a lot of opinions here but, honestly, I think you'd just be more confused by all our wranglings. Read around these forums, take some stuff (on both sides) with a grain of salt, pray about it, and be sure you know what you're voting for before you vote.
I'm running late this morning but I'll try later today to look up some reasonable, sound stuff for you to look through. But, in the interest of time (mine), I'm actually going to recommend you watch Fox & Friends for a while - not that I'd want to have to offer a money back guarantee on their "fair and balanced" claim but they'll be discussing issues and stories no one else with with (relatively) little opinion or commentary or bias...don't bother with anything like Hannity or O'Reilly if you really want to know what's going on. But if you've only been getting your news from the networks or CNN (or, Lord help you, the Daily Show), you'll be surprised how much you just don't know. You just have to get the big picture that most Americans are missing.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 7:07:43 AM
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ekserekseez
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befree712:
Remember also that McCain and Obama aren't the only two options.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 8:53:48 AM
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I'm glad your here looking for answers. I hope you can pray and reason it out the best you can
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I feel like Obama has a great message to the American people.
What do you feel that message is? Is it specific, or is it an ambigous one?
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ORIGINAL: befree712
Change is what we need and he has given many examples of how he plans to stimulate our economy.
What specific example has he given that you like?
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ORIGINAL: befree712
Don't get me wrong, I have paid attention to the skeletons in his closet and I am a little concerned about his ties to some people in his life.
Many people here have expressed those same exact concerns!
You are not alone.
You may want to start googling these between now and election day.
Obama - Franklin Raines
Obama - Resko
Obama - Odinga
Obama announced his candidacy - Ayers
Obama - Fannie Mae
Then tell as many people as you can about this.
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But I do feel such a positive message from this man.
Keep in mind how the false prophets from the old testament also gave positive messages to try to tickle the peoples ears.
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So many people are judging him because of his race and supposed background.
Race is not an issue though there are many here that like to bait into racist topics with that.
I would vote for Condeleeza Rice if she was running. Her character and expertise is far above Obama's.
Keep in mind the main reason McCain is being hammered by the media so much is that, though he is not a Christian conservative per se, he and Palin represent these views moreso than Obama which actually represents Marxism with a socialist flavor.
What Obama meant when he said in his book he would "stand by Muslims" is anybody's guess and remains to be seen. I just hope I don't get the chance.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 9:43:45 AM
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TorchHeart
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Keep in mind the main reason McCain is being hammered by the media so much is that, though he is not a Christian conservative per se, he and Palin represent these views moreso than Obama which actually represents Marxism with a socialist flavor.
No, the reason he gets hammered by the media (which is suprising considering how much of it is so conservative) is because of his ties to one of the worst and most corrupt Presidential administrations since Warren G. Hardin. Some of it, I'll admit, isn't justified. However a good deal of it is.
Palin gets hammered (and I use that term loosely, since the media seems to LOVE her... don't believe me? Watch the Vice-Presidential debate.) because she's new and inexperienced.
If you look at their records and what they stand for, Obama and McCain stand for about the same amount of Christian values as one another.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 10:00:53 AM
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Here's some more I left out
Obama and Alwadi, a Palestine terrorist
Obama and Rev Wright
OBama and the socialist democratic association
Obama and Acorn
Obmaa and Rev Flagger
Hamas donated 30k to Obama
International Solidarity Movement
Wheels of Justice
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 10:33:56 AM
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rcjames
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So many people are judging him because of his race and supposed background.
I agee with this part of your statement. Too many are going to vote for him because he is black; and that is a bad reason.
If a white person had his background, past associations, supported infanticide, openly spoke of and plans income redistribution, etc. he would not even be registering in the polls.
Whatever happened to MLK's dream of judging someone by the "Conent of their character and not by the color of their skin"?
And Obama's character is really questionable.
Thanks
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 11:01:58 AM
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I agee with this part of your statement. Too many are going to vote for him because he is black; and that is a bad reason.
Yeah, I know black people who are voting for him just because of his color. And I know a bunch of white people, including my cousin, who are very explicit that they are voting AGAINST him just because of his color. I'm not talking about people who disagree with his politics (which I hate; the man is a Marxist). I'm talking about folks who self-identify as "liberals" and are pro-abortion and pro-government handout, and are STILL voting for McCain because they can't make themselve vote for a black man.
I'm voting for Barr.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 11:23:56 AM
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So many people are judging him because of his race and supposed background.
I know what you mean. That did that to David Duke as well. Of all things to judge the man just because he was white and came from the KKK.
It's wrong for some people to judge Obama because he is black and holds to the Marixst Black Liberation Theology that hates white people and started his political career in the home of an american terrorist!
What's wrong with people.
We should all just shut up and obey the leader.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 11:26:36 AM
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If you look at their records and what they stand for, Obama and McCain stand for about the same amount of Christian values as one another.
This may be true to an extent. But "Christian values" aside (because that's such a Pandora's box in politics anyway and, as you said, it might be a wash in a way). McCain doen't wear his faith on his sleeve - but GWB did and look what that got us. The question is who stands for American values?
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 12:27:37 PM
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ekserekseez
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The question is who stands for American values?
American values like respect for private property, not depending on the government for a handout, etc? Those have been replaced by socialism from both parties.
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RE: Election confusion. - 10/14/2008 12:58:29 PM
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TorchHeart
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The question is who stands for American values?
EXCELLENT question.
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