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Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 2:15:48 PM
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ekserekseez
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A few weeks ago I asked for some info on homeschooling for my nephew, and I got a lot of good answers, so I'm coming back to you for help.
My Sis decided she wants to home school her kid who is 9. However, she doesn't want to actually do any of the work herself, she just thinks that it would be cool to say that her kid is homeschooled. He currently goes to a Catholic academy. He's willing to be homeschooled too, because he doesn't think he'll have to do any work (he knows his mom!).
Apparently, in California, it's really easy to home school your kids if you, or the person(s) who teach him, have teaching degrees. So my sister is going out to hire a bunch of tutors with degrees for her kid (okay, she's making her attorney do it).
The kid's dad and I are funding this whole thing. Our question is, how much an hour should we pay a tutor? Does anyone have any experience with this, or know where we can get this type of information?
Thanks!
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 2:20:21 PM
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I would say $30-40/hr but that is not just the time they spend with your nephew but also their prep time
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 2:22:20 PM
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ekserekseez
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zoebob:
That seems really inexpensive, especially for Cali. I had been expecting to hear in the range of $100-120/hr. Thanks for the info!
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 2:30:34 PM
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Prices may be different in Cali. Most likely she needs to hire people who are tutors for a living, not just people 'with degrees' (and I think you mean a TEACHING degree, btw, which is a whole 'nuther thing), to do this. They will already have their prices set.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 2:46:37 PM
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ekserekseez
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Our law man's idea was to hire teachers (as in public or private school teachers) with education degrees, who wanted to make some money on the side. If there are professional tutors with the proper credentials, I don't think it makes any difference at all.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 5:05:06 PM
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Are these tutors going to do all the teaching? If they are "earning money on the side", then is nephew going to do school in the evening? Are they (nephew and sis) okay with that?
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 5:21:05 PM
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Hiring separate tutors would be a waste of time and would be confusing to the household. What a person in this postion would really need is a governess. Here is a description of a governess:
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A Governess offers many of the same services as a Nanny. But the Governess is also a professional educator who is responsible for giving the children formal lessons inside the home, away from the prying eyes of a public curious about the children of the rich and famous. They are able to instruct children of all ages in all subjects. They may also be asked to provide etiquette lessons to their charges.
A good Governess will also seek educational opportunities outside the home—in public school terms, “field trips”! They should also give children exposure to the fine arts and will accompany them on social outings.
Governesses will have a degree in education, usually live-in, and be on call 50 to 70 hours a week . To touch children’s minds as well as their hearts, the Governess will receive a salary ranging from $30,000 to $50,000 a year.
Link here. The link goes to a training and employment service that offers this kind of help.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 5:47:12 PM
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ekserekseez
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Sis and the kid are both happy to do it in the evening. I guess the idea is like a governess, only more than one person. Since DB (the kid's dad) and I are actually paying for it, I thought I'd have some say, and I'd like to hire people who are specialists in their fields: sciences, history and geography, grammar and literature, etc. The kid already has private music and art teachers, and takes riding and martial arts.
The live-in governess thing would be cool, but you'd never find another sane and intelligent adult who could live with Sis.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 5:55:26 PM
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Not really. She tries to keep a housekeeper and pays over $100K a year plus room and board (this is in San Fran), and still can't get anyone to stay. And the housekeeper doesn't even do most of the cleaning; there's a woman who comes in for that.
Sis thinks that she's some lost priestess of Atlantis or something, and that she "vibrates" at a much faster rate than the rest of us (I think the "vibes" are really all the coke she did in the 90's). Various things "upset" her vibrations and taint her aura, like using computers, or talking to women with short fingernails, or mismatched outfits, stuff like that. She's not mean, just incredibly high maintenance.
She does get along with her kid though. Her part in the schooling will be shopping. She wants him to be a fashion designer and he agrees. This is why the kid's dad and I want to hire people who can actually teach him something.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 5:57:57 PM
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cynthia
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Governesses do not always live with the people.
I think it's overkill to have a bunch of people coming and going in order to teach a nine year old. It sounds awful really. My son is nine and he would utterly revolt. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to teach science well to a nine year old. At that age, the point is to instill a love of learning and to expose the child to things on his own level and inspire him to reach higher. This is often done by combining subjects. This can best be accomplished by one person who is a constant in the child's life. That is why elementary schools have the children stay with one teacher and only have additional teachers for subjects like art and music.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 5:58:34 PM
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I don't know what the market is like in CA, but I don't know of many certified teachers IN MY AREA with gobs of spare time who are only looking to pick up a little cash here and there. They are either employed full-time as public or private school teachers, or they don't work in the field by choice (they left for other employment or to stay home and raise/educate their own children).
But I would guess, with all the child actors and children of the rich and famous, it would be easy to find a governess there.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 6:00:16 PM
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There's a great art and design school in San Francisco. Maybe you should look there for opportunities/tutors.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 6:06:57 PM
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Thanks everyone, these are all really good suggestions. I really want to talk to my nephew about what it is he wants to do. My sister is prone to begin new enterprises that she then just drops without ever looking back.
My nephew says that he'd like to stay home all day and read magazines with his mother, which is how she's selling this idea to him. The one thing he says he'll miss is chapel. It's a Catholic school, and he was not raised Catholic, but he loves all the ritual and incense and costumes and stuff. I guess he can go to mass in the neighborhood. DB, the kid's dad, goes along with whatever his son says (DB lives in NYC, as do I).
Thanks again for the advice! I'm sure I'll be back for more.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 9/30/2008 10:55:50 PM
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The topic is about fair fees, right?
I tutor in the Southeastern US. I know about our regional pricing for supplementary tutoring when families send their kids to public school. Fees are all over the charts. There is a church near us that offers "after school help" for $5 for 30 minutes. They view it as a ministry to the poor and also provide scholarships for the really poor.
We can find college kids who tutor for about $15 per hour, maybe a little higher for math which seems to be more in demand. At that rate, you buy the materials too. There are actually quite a few school teachers who don't mind moonlighting for extra cash. Around here they charge more like $20 per hour for elementary level, maybe $25 for high school; but they might do only a couple of two- or three-hour sessions a week because they do want a life, too. They usually like to use the curriculum materials they already have and are familiar with, or they just use the kid's regular school books. Both of these kinds of tutors make their own rules on where to meet—some will come to your home, some do it at theirs, some will meet you at the library.
There are some private tutoring services that send a tutor to your home. They will use their own curriculum unless you specifically request something else. I do not know what they charge, but starting pay for teacher-employees is around $17/hr, so a safe bet would be that the clients are charged at least double that. They usually hire teachers who got tired of public school politics and wanted a bit more control over their schedule.
There are learning centers, usually located in strip shopping centers, which charge between $40 and $50 per hour, but you buy "packages" of time, not individual hours. These have prescribed programs with screening and testing, they provide all their own materials, and parents must attend regular conferences.
After that, tutoring goes into a whole other culture where private tutors can be paid as much as the market allows. That seems to be where you are. You are fortunate that you don't have to shop for the cheapest deals, but I don't imagine you'd like to be ripped off either. I'd expect California rates to be at least 10% higher than my region and even more than that in the upper income areas of San Francisco. You are probably pretty close on your original estimate of $100-120/hr.
For a nine year-old, you will want to look for someone who believes in mastering the basics; sort of a compassionate drill sergeant. You once said your nephew thinks his Catholic school looks like Hogwarts; then tell him you want a Professor McGonagall style tutor. No matter what he does later in life, he needs a strong foundation and you and his dad seem to agree on that. None of my kids grew up to pursue their 9 year-old plans, but a few kids do. My mom knew from five years old that she wanted to be a teacher; and she was for about one-third of her life. I hope your sister can let him stick with this because homeschooling with an apprenticeship or internship in the fashion industry when he is 16 or so would offer so much more opportunity than most schools ever could.
…just curious, does your sister do therapy? As in seeing a shrink? I just got to thinking about the educators I know and none of them have long fingernails. Quite a few have short ones.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 10/1/2008 6:32:21 AM
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ekserekseez
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Jenny-Fair and sen10tious:
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I think around $100-120/hr in San Fran will be what we pay for tutoring. I think the idea of a single person for a 9 year old makes sense too. I'm going to talk to DB (the kid's dad) and see if he agrees. I bet he will. Sis will go along with anything, as long as she gets to read Vogue with her son.
As for my sister being in therapy: no, but she would be very happy to tell you the specific type of therapy you need for all of your psychoses. She does this as a free service to everyone she encounters, starting with her family.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 10/3/2008 9:46:25 AM
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ekserekseez
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So here's a follow-up:
I talked to the kid and to DB (his dad) and they both like the "governess" idea some of you mentioned. My nephew thinks that it would be very "Hogwarts" to have his own "Professor," and DB goes along. Sis will go along with anything as long as she doesn't get the bill. The teacher will come in daily, mostly in the afternoon.
So we are going to look for a recently retired licensed school teacher who can do all of the kid's school subjects except for music and martial arts (he has teachers for those already). Plus Sis is going to do her "education through shopping" sessions. Her only real demand is that the kid read Vogue every day.
So thanks everyone for the advice! It's actually been quite helpful so far. I'll keep you posted.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 10/3/2008 10:28:39 AM
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'Sounds like a good plan. I wish you well on this. Finding a good personality match will be key to having success; probably more important than credentials. All kids are going to have some days that they won't want to do school work—some more than others. Your sister is going to have to understand that the governess needs a sphere of authority to see that the work gets done. If your sister knows that sometimes she will have to side with the tutor and not give into the whims of her son, you will have overcome one of the greatest obstacles. A lot of trust and respect has to go into a tutor/student relationship and, unlike housekeeping with inanimate objects, the responsibility goes both ways.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 10/3/2008 10:33:59 AM
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ekserekseez
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Your sister is going to have to understand that the governess needs a sphere of authority to see that the work gets done.
Thanks for the advice. Fortunately, giving others their sphere of authority is something Sis is very good at. As long as she can take the kid shopping and read Vogue with him, she's happy to let others handle (and pay for) everything. More time for meditating between cigarettes and martinis.
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RE: Fair fee for tutors - 10/3/2008 7:25:49 PM
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ekserekseez
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shadowspring:
your comment is all too accurate.
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But in the primary and secondary years, any decent teacher can teach just about anything your nephew would need to learn.
