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Family problems... - 10/30/2008 8:45:00 AM
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stamper_ben
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...not faced. Much as with brother George. quote:
In the preface to the 2004 reissue [of Dreams from My Father], he writes: “Most of the characters in this book remain a part of my life, albeit in varying degrees – a function of work, children, geography, and turns of fate.” “What is family?” he reflects. “Is it just a genetic chain, parents and offspring, people like me?” Twenty years after he first met Aunt Zeituni, and first heard of the elusive Uncle Omar, the man likely to be the next president will have the opportunity for another family reunion, rather closer to home. Indeed, what is family? Not too much to the man who wants to lead this country. Article here
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 9:38:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben ...not faced. Much as with brother George. quote:
In the preface to the 2004 reissue [of Dreams from My Father], he writes: “Most of the characters in this book remain a part of my life, albeit in varying degrees – a function of work, children, geography, and turns of fate.” “What is family?” he reflects. “Is it just a genetic chain, parents and offspring, people like me?” Twenty years after he first met Aunt Zeituni, and first heard of the elusive Uncle Omar, the man likely to be the next president will have the opportunity for another family reunion, rather closer to home. Indeed, what is family? Not too much to the man who wants to lead this country. Article here Seriously? He doesn't care about family because he's got poor relatives that he hasn't seen in decades? Should I remind you of what did McCain did when he came home from war and found his wife disfigured from a car accident? -Dan.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 9:42:05 AM
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Should I remind you of what did McCain did when he came home from war and found his wife disfigured from a car accident? That woman supports McCain her ex husband for president. He has also said that he takes full responsibility for the failure of that marriage. Remember too that when someone has been away from home in a POW camp it does something to you. He was disfigured and needed years of rehabilitation. He has never been able to raise his arms high because of the extreme hanging torture. It's one thing to make 4 million dollars while running for president and have a poor borther you refuse to help and being a POW returning home after extreme torture. quote:
He doesn't care about family because he's got poor relatives that he hasn't seen in decades? Let me see. My brother is worth millions, has a harvard degree and does not even try to contact me? Yep that feels like love and family.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 9:48:57 AM
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Hmmm, well I guess family doesn't mean much to me either since I have cousins and aunts and uncles that I haven't seen in decades. Try again.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 9:58:15 AM
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ORIGINAL: relady Hmmm, well I guess family doesn't mean much to me either since I have cousins and aunts and uncles that I haven't seen in decades. Try again. Did you not read what it was he wrote in his book? I'll quote it again for you since it is so convenient to pass over it...quote:
“Most of the characters in this book remain a part of my life, albeit in varying degrees – a function of work, children, geography, and turns of fate.” And yes, he does talk about his aunt and uncle in it. quote:
Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston. A second relative believed to be the long-lost “Uncle Omar” described in the book was beaten by armed robbers with a “sawed-off rifle” while working in a corner shop in the Dorchester area of the city. He was later evicted from his one-bedroom flat for failing to pay $2,324.20 (£1,488) arrears, according to the Boston Housing Court. I said it earlier this morning to another poster, denial is sweet isn't it?
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 10:59:04 AM
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Seriously? He doesn't care about family because he's got poor relatives that he hasn't seen in decades? So we are supposed to believe that a man who doesn't seem to know about the poverty in his own family, a brother and aunt, is a loving family guy who cares about the poor in the US whom he has no relationship with whatsoever? The fact is when a millionaire makes as a central tenet of his campaign sacrificing to care for the needy, and he hasn't even taken a look around his own family to care for the needy, he is demonstrably a hypocrite and panderer.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:16:06 AM
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Seriously? He doesn't care about family because he's got poor relatives that he hasn't seen in decades? So we are supposed to believe that a man who doesn't seem to know about the poverty in his own family, a brother and aunt, is a loving family guy who cares about the poor in the US whom he has no relationship with whatsoever? The fact is when a millionaire makes as a central tenet of his campaign sacrificing to care for the needy, and he hasn't even taken a look around his own family to care for the needy, he is demonstrably a hypocrite and panderer. DING DING DING! I am much more likely to listen to people regarding charity and helping the poor who have actually donated millions of their own dollars to charity, adopted orphaned children from around the world, and help run foundations to help the needy.... people like John and Cindy McCain.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:26:16 AM
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Is Obama expected to support everyone in his family? How do you know he hasn't tried helping them? I have a married brother who always need money. I've helped him for the last 5yrs, but now I gotta cut him off. I tired of doing without myself to help hime get ahead. I also have a brother who is jobless and homeless, my mother helped him for years, but now he is on his own since her death. Sometimes, you can only help so much,especially if the other person is unwilling to do anythig to help themselves. Regarding McCain adopting a girl from China. He didn't even know Cindy had adopted a child, until she got off the plane and presented the adopted child to him as a surprise. Obama doesn't have a wife who's worth over $100 million.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:36:36 AM
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Is Obama expected to support everyone in his family? How do you know he hasn't tried helping them? I have a married brother who always need money. I've helped him for the last 5yrs, but now I gotta cut him off. I tired of doing without myself to help hime get ahead. I also have a brother who is jobless and homeless, my mother helped him for years, but now he is on his own since her death. Sometimes, you can only help so much,especially if the other person is unwilling to do anythig to help themselves. Regarding McCain adopting a girl from China. He didn't even know Cindy had adopted a child, until she got off the plane and presented the adopted child to him as a surprise. Obama doesn't have a wife who's worth over $100 million. Both Obama and his wife are millionaires; there is no excuse for a man who claims self-sacrificial giving is the most important quality should have close elderly relatives living in slums, and he certainly shouldn't have a brother living in the pit of a Kenyan slum.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:40:15 AM
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Is Obama expected to support everyone in his family? How do you know he hasn't tried helping them? Seems funny how the aunt isn't allowed to say anything until after the 4th... quote:
I have a married brother who always need money. I've helped him for the last 5yrs, but now I gotta cut him off. I tired of doing without myself to help hime get ahead. I also have a brother who is jobless and homeless, my mother helped him for years, but now he is on his own since her death. Sometimes, you can only help so much,especially if the other person is unwilling to do anythig to help themselves. But yet under Obama he WILL fix all this! Just a question of "spreading it around..."
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:40:25 AM
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Is Obama expected to support everyone in his family? How do you know he hasn't tried helping them? I have a married brother who always need money. I've helped him for the last 5yrs, but now I gotta cut him off. I tired of doing without myself to help hime get ahead. I also have a brother who is jobless and homeless, my mother helped him for years, but now he is on his own since her death. Sometimes, you can only help so much,especially if the other person is unwilling to do anythig to help themselves. Regarding McCain adopting a girl from China. He didn't even know Cindy had adopted a child, until she got off the plane and presented the adopted child to him as a surprise. Obama doesn't have a wife who's worth over $100 million. Both Obama and his wife are millionaires; there is no excuse for a man who claims self-sacrificial giving is the most important quality should have close elderly relatives living in slums, and he certainly shouldn't have a brother living in the pit of a Kenyan slum. So, everyone who's rich should support all their poor relations or just Obama? How do you know his brother didn't accept his help by being a proud man?
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:42:02 AM
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So, everyone who's rich should support all their poor relations? Charity begins at home...
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:44:48 AM
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Is Obama expected to support everyone in his family? How do you know he hasn't tried helping them? Seems funny how the aunt isn't allowed to say anything until after the 4th... Who said she wasn't allowed? I am sure if she really wanted to she could've. I mean who was stopping her?
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:47:40 AM
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Who said she wasn't allowed? I am sure if she really wanted to she could've. I mean who was stopping her? SHE said she wasn't allowed. Did you read the article?
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:50:15 AM
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Who said she wasn't allowed? I am sure if she really wanted to she could've. I mean who was stopping her? SHE said she wasn't allowed. Did you read the article? That could just mean other relatives convinced her not too.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:55:02 AM
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That could just mean other relatives convinced her not too. Well, we could speculate, or we just might have to wait until next Wednesday when she is free to speak.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 11:56:55 AM
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Seriously? He doesn't care about family because he's got poor relatives that he hasn't seen in decades? So we are supposed to believe that a man who doesn't seem to know about the poverty in his own family, a brother and aunt, is a loving family guy who cares about the poor in the US whom he has no relationship with whatsoever? The fact is when a millionaire makes as a central tenet of his campaign sacrificing to care for the needy, and he hasn't even taken a look around his own family to care for the needy, he is demonstrably a hypocrite and panderer. Wow that must mean that my Aunt and Uncle who too are very rich and live well should be helping me and my poor family memebers out instead of there immidate family that they are very close to. I need to call my mom and find out why her very own sister has not given us that hand out. I mean I don't talk to them weekly or monthly or even semi yearly....they live several states away and all, but they should be spreading there wealth! (and where are my smilies when I need them) shaking my head.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 12:09:19 PM
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So, everyone who's rich should support all their poor relations or just Obama? How do you know his brother didn't accept his help by being a proud man? Have you ever been to a Kenyan slum? I have - there are no people there 'too proud to accept help'. And the story of his brother has been throughly documented; there was no help offered.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 12:16:18 PM
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Wow that must mean that my Aunt and Uncle who too are very rich and live well should be helping me and my poor family memebers out instead of there immidate family that they are very close to. I need to call my mom and find out why her very own sister has not given us that hand out. I mean I don't talk to them weekly or monthly or even semi yearly....they live several states away and all, but they should be spreading there wealth! (and where are my smilies when I need them) shaking my head. Well he's not even helping his own brother. But you are telling me if you were a millionaire, you wouldn't help an elderly needy aunt?
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 12:18:21 PM
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Many people "tried" to convince me that Obama was a generous person and could not or would not take the donations off his income tax. Now the truth is being made clearer and clearer. He is selfish. He wants others to support people but is not setting the example of doing it himself. "Do as I say not as I do".
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 12:38:50 PM
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So, everyone who's rich should support all their poor relations or just Obama? How do you know his brother didn't accept his help by being a proud man? Have you ever been to a Kenyan slum? I have - there are no people there 'too proud to accept help'. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/22/bts.obama.brother/ But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day." The reports left him angry. "I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything. "I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said. Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can. At least one of his neighbors feels that perhaps the candidate should help the brother. "I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house. But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president. "Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."
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RE: Family problems... - 10/30/2008 12:40:37 PM
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"I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."
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RE: Family problems... - 10/31/2008 12:46:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud Both Obama and his wife are millionaires; there is no excuse for a man who claims self-sacrificial giving is the most important quality should have close elderly relatives living in slums, and he certainly shouldn't have a brother living in the pit of a Kenyan slum. They're fairly new to this level of financial status. It's only been since he wrote his book a few years ago that they've begun making that kind of money. Prior to that, they were earning in the low-mid $200K range, which isn't anything to sneeze at, but isn't nearly enough to treat them like blue-bloods, either. quote:
ORIGINAL: huangshan "I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house. But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president. Thanks for the reality check. -Dan.
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RE: Family problems... - 10/31/2008 10:46:14 AM
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