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Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/6/2008 1:47:17 PM
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Rockwall
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Election triggers upsurge in military-like firearms sales
As polls and pundits in recent weeks increasingly pointed to the election of Barack Obama as the next president, scores of Utahns flocked to gun stores.
Obama has supported renewing the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban, which stops the manufacture of several semiautomatic guns with large magazines.
"Such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets," Obama's Web site states.
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"We had one supplier go from 92 assault rifles to 12 in one day. Our suppliers are just frantically scrambling."
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I had heard about assault rifle sales tripling before Obama's election, but now they are gold and are investments. A gun shop in Fort Worth TX called "Cheaper than Dirt" has increased the prices on some guns by $200 and said on the radio this morning that they made a record $150,000 just yesterday alone! They sold $1 million in October, more than double the normal amount.
A few friends have went out and purchased $1,200 AR-15s and $1,500 AR-10s (.308) last month. I don't have the money for those high-dollar guns so they recommended the SKS or even a Hi-Point .40 caliber carbine:
Hi-Point LINK
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/6/2008 2:00:35 PM
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cog41
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This kind of activity has been going on for some time. Ammo sales are up and rightly so.
The first thing they'll do is raise taxes on all ammo and firearms. Try to tax ya right out of purchases and then start with heavy regulations on gun shows, hunting and hunting licenses.
Just a matter of time.
Keep yur powder dry and keep it hid.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/6/2008 2:05:30 PM
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rcjames
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Well thankfully I have all the assualt rifles that I care to have, bought them after the last ban was lifted (sufficient ammo also).
So I was spared the price gouging.
I also have a few class 3 weapons and add ons, but I really expect the government to try and confiscate them at some time; even though they are liscenced and legal.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 5:23:13 PM
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Rockwall
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Went to a gun show this weekend (Big Town in Mesquite TX for those familiar with the area) and it was packed. Some say it's the busiest it's ever been. Since Obama's win, Cheaper than Dirt has been selling more than $100,000 a day in guns and ammo. Obama was a Christmas gift to gun dealers, but is a threat to the Second Ammendment.
Still haven't found an "affordable" assault rifle, but hope to get one between now and Thanksgiving.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 6:05:02 PM
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dbark
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Good luck killing people with your assault rifles - oh ... I mean hunting.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 6:10:04 PM
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I'm hoping we can set a little money aside soon and enhance our weaponry and ammo supplies ahead of whatever's coming. As it is, though, my household is in pretty good shape.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 7:50:11 PM
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Good luck killing people with your assault rifles - oh ... I mean hunting.
I'm sorry, what's wrong with assault weapons? The military and national guard have them, and nobody questions their possession of them; surely, civilians should be allowed to carry them, too, if it is difficult for them to cause too much damage if they carry them.
I used to think the second amendment wasn't that big of a deal, and it was ok to weaken gun rights if it made the country safer. Now that I have survived eight years of the Bush administration's attempts to curtail civil liberties to make the country safer, my position has changed.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:16:26 PM
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dbark
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Good luck killing people with your assault rifles - oh ... I mean hunting.
I'm sorry, what's wrong with assault weapons? The military and national guard have them, and nobody questions their possession of them; surely, civilians should be allowed to carry them, too, if it is difficult for them to cause too much damage if they carry them.
I used to think the second amendment wasn't that big of a deal, and it was ok to weaken gun rights if it made the country safer. Now that I have survived eight years of the Bush administration's attempts to curtail civil liberties to make the country safer, my position has changed.
The military carries assault weapons because they are effective at killing people. May I assume that is why you want to possess one as well? If so ... that's what's wrong with them.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:20:37 PM
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The military carries assault weapons because they are effective at killing people. May I assume that is why you want to possess one as well? If so ... that's what's wrong with them.
So then why do we have a military, then? If it's for killing people, maybe we should get rid of it, too.
In the meantime, while we live in a world where guns and a military is necessary, citizens should be allowed to carry assault weapons, as well.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:26:51 PM
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Good luck killing people with your assault rifles - oh ... I mean hunting.
I'm sorry, what's wrong with assault weapons? The military and national guard have them, and nobody questions their possession of them; surely, civilians should be allowed to carry them, too, if it is difficult for them to cause too much damage if they carry them.
I used to think the second amendment wasn't that big of a deal, and it was ok to weaken gun rights if it made the country safer. Now that I have survived eight years of the Bush administration's attempts to curtail civil liberties to make the country safer, my position has changed.
The military carries assault weapons because they are effective at killing people. May I assume that is why you want to possess one as well? If so ... that's what's wrong with them.
The weapon of the day when 2nd Amendment was formulated was the musket... Used by both the military and civilians alike...
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:31:47 PM
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dbark
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The military carries assault weapons because they are effective at killing people. May I assume that is why you want to possess one as well? If so ... that's what's wrong with them.
So then why do we have a military, then? If it's for killing people, maybe we should get rid of it, too.
In the meantime, while we live in a world where guns and a military is necessary, citizens should be allowed to carry assault weapons, as well.
Call me crazy, I just don't think Christians should be killing people. I know I won't change any minds by saying any of this, but I think Christ was sort of pro-people.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:32:20 PM
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Lady_of_Faith
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Civilians, which also include drug dealers, serial killers, rapist, thieves, child molesters. If I'm missing anyone, please advise.
Yeah, that really makes me feel safe knowing crazies like those are running around with assault rifles because the law states they can own one. 
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:46:08 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Civilians, which also include drug dealers, serial killers, rapist, thieves, child molesters. If I'm missing anyone, please advise.
Exactly my point! They are the only people who carry weapons when guns are illegal!
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Yeah, that really makes me feel safe knowing crazies like those are running around with assault rifles because the law states they can own one.
The only thing scarier is knowing that they carry around weapons while the law prohibits law-abiding citizens from owning guns.
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Call me crazy, I just don't think Christians should be killing people. I know I won't change any minds by saying any of this, but I think Christ was sort of pro-people.
I understand that view, to some extent. In fact, I sometimes agree with that.
However, there is a difference between what we ought to do, and what we should be allowed to do. And there is also a difference between the world as it should be and the world as it is.
In a perfect world, we could all be pacifists. However, if everyone except for a single violent person were pacifists, the world would be ruled by that violent person. That's where the concept of just war, and just use of force comes in- it was actually developed by devout Christians at the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648. Basically, the notion is that we should only kill if we are defending the country or defending our lives or the lives of others. In a perfect world, such instances will never occur.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 8:52:07 PM
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The military carries assault weapons because they are effective at killing people. May I assume that is why you want to possess one as well? If so ... that's what's wrong with them.
So then why do we have a military, then? If it's for killing people, maybe we should get rid of it, too.
In the meantime, while we live in a world where guns and a military is necessary, citizens should be allowed to carry assault weapons, as well.
Call me crazy, I just don't think Christians should be killing people. I know I won't change any minds by saying any of this, but I think Christ was sort of pro-people.
The people outside the ark and inside the walls of Jericho might beg to differ...
Christ is pro-Christ...
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 9:31:31 PM
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Civilians, which also include drug dealers, serial killers, rapist, thieves, child molesters. If I'm missing anyone, please advise.
Yeah, that really makes me feel safe knowing crazies like those are running around with assault rifles because the law states they can own one.
Fact is CRIMINALS are going to find a way to get guns (assult or not) regardless of what the law says. All laws against these weapons EVER do is keep them out of the hands of HONEST Citizens.
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You said what I wanted to say.
You know, I really hate when people start talking about all the crazy and dangerous criminals out there and this is why we need more gun control and even gun bans. HELLO! By preventing LAW-ABIDING citizens from owning a gun only makes them defenseless against those criminals. There is a reason they are called criminals, those type of people don't care about breaking the law. They break the law to rob, rape, or murder someone what's a measly gun law going to do? Will it stop them from killing or harming others? No. Heck, people can kill and hurt others with a steak knife or a car. I really hate how guns are viewed as this horrible or evil thing. A gun laying on the table isn't going to jump up and shoot someone on its own.
What happens when citizens who obey the law are prevented from owning a gun means well, we won't get guns but that won't stop a criminal.  
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 9:34:49 PM
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I'm hoping we can set a little money aside soon and enhance our weaponry and ammo supplies ahead of whatever's coming.
What are you talking about?
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In the meantime, while we live in a world where guns and a military is necessary, citizens should be allowed to carry assault weapons, as well.
For what purpose? It baffles what need anyone would have for an assault weapon.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 9:46:28 PM
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blessedinnyc
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For what purpose? It baffles what need anyone would have for an assault weapon.
Because the bill of rights is the bill of rights; it shouldn't be eroded. If we don't defend the second amendment, how can we get gun-owners to defend the first amendment or the fourth amendment?
The founding fathers dealt with plenty of crime, too, and they felt that that crime was worth it if it meant also letting ordinary citizens carry weapons. Today's assault weapons aren't all that different than muskets 220 years ago; they're just a little more accurate, and we should try and stay true to the Bill Of Rights.
Principles in finance often make the least sense when they become the most important (like not getting over-leveraged). In the same way, when people feel the First Amendment makes the least sense, there's a good chance that accepting it as it is is more important than ever. So even when we feel that following the historical understanding of an amendment doesn't make sense, we should still accept it.
If you see the second amendment as I believe it was intended to be- an insurance policy on the other nine- you might start to see things differently. I don't own a gun and don't plan on ever using one, but we need to strictly defend this right. The founding fathers may not have foreseen machine guns, but they could have certainly foreseen semi-automatics.
I thought that eight years of Bush would turn me into a bigger liberal; instead, it has turned me into a libertarian.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 9:51:47 PM
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Nothing to see here.
Obama is a Constitutional Lawyer who does not conveniently forget what "a well regulated militia" means...
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 9:55:20 PM
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I would be most happy to see an AR-15 under the tree this Christmas.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 10:05:02 PM
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dbark
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The military carries assault weapons because they are effective at killing people. May I assume that is why you want to possess one as well? If so ... that's what's wrong with them.
So then why do we have a military, then? If it's for killing people, maybe we should get rid of it, too.
In the meantime, while we live in a world where guns and a military is necessary, citizens should be allowed to carry assault weapons, as well.
Call me crazy, I just don't think Christians should be killing people. I know I won't change any minds by saying any of this, but I think Christ was sort of pro-people.
The people outside the ark and inside the walls of Jericho might beg to differ...
Christ is pro-Christ...
What does that mean? Christ is pro-Christ? Are you disagreeing with me that Jesus loves everyone?
Do you really think that those OT stories have anything at all to do with you turning someone into hamburger with an assault rifle? Can you REALLY tell me that you could imagine Jesus protecting his property by blowing someone away? You and I may be worshiping a different Jesus after all.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 10:14:38 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Do you really think that those OT stories have anything at all to do with you turning someone into hamburger with a assault rifle? Can you REALLY tell me that you could imagine Jesus protecting his property by blowing someone away?
I honestly don't think I could. However, I'll say if Jesus weren't destined to die on a cross, and just live out his life in Bethlehem, his life probably would have been happier if he allowed his neighbors to carry weapons. A pacifist is actually better off when he surrounded by people who are honest, law-abiding people who believe that it is ok to use force in self-defense or defense of others.
So if you're a pacifist, and you get along with your neighbors, you shouldn't be opposed to them carrying guns.
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RE: Get your pre-Obama ban assault rifle - 11/10/2008 10:32:12 PM
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dbark
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Do you really think that those OT stories have anything at all to do with you turning someone into hamburger with a assault rifle? Can you REALLY tell me that you could imagine Jesus protecting his property by blowing someone away?
I honestly don't think I could. However, I'll say if Jesus weren't destined to die on a cross, and just live out his life in Bethlehem, his life probably would have been happier if he allowed his neighbors to carry weapons. A pacifist is actually better off when he surrounded by people who are honest, law-abiding people who believe that it is ok to use force in self-defense or defense of others.
So if you're a pacifist, and you get along with your neighbors, you shouldn't be opposed to them carrying guns.
I don't know man, I still have an awfully hard time imagining Jesus applauding his neighbors for arming themselves to the teeth and being perfectly willing to shed blood and take lives. A really hard time. You know - love your neighbors, love your enemies and pray for them, blessed are the peacemakers, and all that.
I think it is completely incongruent for a follower of Christ to be prepared and willing to kill. I never read anything that Jesus said in his time on earth that gave me the impression he would support the use of violence against others.
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