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Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller mean... - 7/19/2008 7:43:24 PM
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Dan1138
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Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller meaning?"
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RE: Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller ... - 7/20/2008 5:57:04 PM
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TJO5
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Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller meaning?"
Not specifically. But reading the Wikipedia definition of sensus plenior I have heard of the Rabbinical exegesis method PaRDeS ,which recognizes that scripture is written on several different levels. Here is a link to some information about PaRDeS.
While it is obvious from the interpretations of Jesus and other NT writers that there are deeper levels of understanding of scripture I think there is a need for caution when seeking these different levels-there is a need for balance.
This article about sensus plenior was interesting.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
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RE: Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller ... - 7/22/2008 8:52:35 PM
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TheCatholicCrusader
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The so-called sensus plenior (“fuller sense”) is a meaning that goes beyond the words themselves, but is nevertheless based on them. It is really an extension of the literal meaning, and is possible because of the dual authorship of the Bible: one of the authors is in time, but the Other is outside of time and therefore can give a deeper meaning to the human words. This meaning may take centuries to elucidate.
In the words of Pope Leo XIII (Providentissimus Deus, no. 14): "For the language of the Bible is employed to express . . . many things which are beyond the power and scope of the reason of man - that is to say, divine mysteries and all that is related to them. There is sometimes in such passages a fullness and a hidden depth of meaning [ampliore quadam et reconditiore sententia] which the letter hardly expresses and which laws of interpretation hardly warrant."
Referring to the same phenomenon, Saint Thomas Aquinas comments: "God could have had the hagiographer understand many consequences and applications of his text. But even if he did not, we cannot doubt that the Holy Spirit knew them, who is the main Author of the sacred books." (De Potentia, Q.IV, a.1.c)
One example of the sensus plenior is seen in God's word to the serpent and to Eve after Adam’s and Eve’s disobedience in Genesis 3:15: "I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed."
This verse literally seems to refer to the opposition between serpents and human beings, while its plenary meaning can extend to something far more profound: the battle between Satan and the human race, and the conquest of Satan by the son of Mary.
Another is the literal meaning of Psalm 118:22, the verse referring to the stone rejected by the builders that has become the cornerstone; at first this verse appears to be an architectural image, but it is applied in a plenary way by Peter to Christ’s rejection by the leaders and elders of the Jews (see Acts 4:11). He is indeed the stone rejected by the builders but he has become the cornerstone of the new people of God.
Because of the profound nature of the sensus plenior and its close relationship with inspiration itself, its existence should be verified by its use in the New Testament or by the Fathers of the Church; the exegete should not invent it on his own.
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RE: Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller ... - 7/24/2008 12:03:33 AM
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Yes. If you would like to see a proposed examples of it see http://idontknownuthin.com
These are examples of shadows of Christ contained in riddles hidden in double entendre. The methods of PaRDeS are used.
They are verifiable. See the tutorial pages.
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Job 8.9 (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow)
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RE: Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller ... - 7/27/2008 5:26:59 PM
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Dan1138
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What I have surmised is that this "fuller meaning" or sensus plenior is an allegorical method of bible translation that can get dangerous and lead to error.
1 timothy 6
3If anyone (E)advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with (F)sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine (G)conforming to godliness,
4he is (H)conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in (I)controversial questions and (J)disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
5and constant friction between (K)men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who (L)suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
6(M)But godliness actually is a means of (N)great gain when accompanied by (O)contentment.
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RE: Has anyone heard of Sensus Plenior or "fuller ... - 7/27/2008 6:25:39 PM
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What I have surmised is that this "fuller meaning" or sensus plenior is an allegorical method of bible translation that can get dangerous and lead to error.
sur·mise (sr-mz)
v. sur·mised, sur·mis·ing, sur·mis·es
v.tr.
To infer (something) without sufficiently conclusive evidence.
v.intr.
To make a guess or conjecture.
n.
An idea or opinion based on insufficiently conclusive evidence; a conjecture.
I suggest you look at the evidence.
Here are the proposed rules from the site mentioned. In what way do they permit free-wheeling allegory "that can get dangerous and lead to error"?
1. Since God has said that not a jot or tittle will pass away, until one knows why each jot and tittle is there, a complete understanding has not been derived. (This keeps us humble)
2. Since man shall live "..by every word", a doctrine is not sound until it sums up and includes all that God has said about it. (This keeps us searching)
3. Since every word must be established by two or three witnesses, every shadow must have at least two supporting scripture witnesses. (This keeps us rigorous in methodology)
4. Since God's word is established forever, a shadow means the same thing everywhere is it used. So, since a donkey is a shadow of a prophet, everywhere there is a donkey, it is a shadow of a prophet. This rule alone makes the shadows humanly impossible to fabricate. (This keeps us an awe)
5. The riddle of Samson tells us Christ is the answer to all the riddles. If the shadow doesn't look like Christ, it isn't a good shadow. (This keeps us focussed)
6. And since we are to "let everyman be a liar and God be true", outside references are not required to solve the riddles and see the shadows. (This keeps us devoted)
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Riddle me this:
Job 8.9 (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow)
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