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High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 9:34:14 AM
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zoebob
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Have your kids watched these? What do you think of them? Are the values and attitudes ones you want your kids imitating?
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 10:16:29 AM
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No, no, and no. I have not seen Camp Rock, but I did watch a little of High School Musical to see what it was about. Personally, I didn't like the music or the dress or the story lines. I thing I can't stand is that it is teengage themes but really geared for the 8-12 year old group.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 1:20:59 PM
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I thing I can't stand is that it is teengage themes but really geared for the 8-12 year old group.
I completely agree. My 10-year old has no business watching a movie that is basically about high school love lol, and yet this is who the movie is geared towards.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 1:32:18 PM
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I did watch High School musical and I did let my kids watch it. If you can avoid it, go ahead! Although the botom line message is a decent one.... it does introduce and encourage dress styles, the independant teen world, teen love, and a "look at me" type of attitude like most of the Disney shows are doing these days. Of course, there are far worse shows out there, but if you don't like this type of stuff then don't bother watching it.
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Are the values and attitudes ones you want your kids imitating? Yes & No. Yes-The kids are happy, well behaived in the movie, they learn to accept each others different interest without teasing. No-We discourage "puppy love" because we want them to wait to date and we are actually going to push Courtship. We don't send our children to school, and we know school is not really like that. I don't want them idolizing the acters/actresses and getting wrapped up into all the hype, or to think things are "cool". I would like my kids to be themselves.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 1:35:35 PM
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We were OK with HSM. Camp Rock was a complete waste of time, though. They're relatively harmless. I do catch dd picking up a little attitude (mostly when she's around her friends and they're collectively into this stuff, not so much just from the movie); when I see that, I know it's time to back off for a while. It is what it is.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 1:36:56 PM
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You know...I'm really going against the grain (as I usually do in these circumstances) but it's actually one of those few teenage shows that doesn't revolve around sex. Yes they have that magical "first kiss" and puppy love but there is no teen pregnancies, no drug use, no promiscuity...to me it shows my children that they can have fun and hang with their friends without all of that and still be cool.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 1:56:42 PM
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tinkerbell-ii agree w/ you.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/17/2008 3:10:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: Tinkerbell_
You know...I'm really going against the grain (as I usually do in these circumstances) but it's actually one of those few teenage shows that doesn't revolve around sex. Yes they have that magical "first kiss" and puppy love but there is no teen pregnancies, no drug use, no promiscuity...to me it shows my children that they can have fun and hang with their friends without all of that and still be cool.
I was going to say something like that too. Also shows like this can be used as great conversation tools. My dd is 13 and she loved the HM movies. So we watched them together and talked about what was going on and why. I think if your child is old enough to understand the message then they are old enough to be taught about it.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/18/2008 2:43:56 PM
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Don't know much about HSM, just some of the music, which is harmless IMHO.
Camp Rock isn't really about "puppy love", altho there is a little in it, but it isn't the main focus. The plot revolves around a girl who wants to go to an expensive camp for the summer, Camp Rock, where they teach kids the ins and outs of being a rock musician, and kids get to put on practice concerts, etc. Not too much of a far-fetched idea, as there really are camps like that all over the country. So the girl finds out at the last minute that she can go there at a discounted rate, b/c her mom, a cook, took a job there as the camp cook, and the dau can go to the camp if she helps mom in the kitchen. Of course she jumps at the idea. But then when she gets to camp and sees all of the rich kids there, she is embarrassed to say that she's the cook's dau, and has to help her mom in the kitchen. She gets in with a group of girls led by a (streotypical) elitist girl who is the dau of a famous singer, a singer who has very little time for her, and the girl is crushed by the lack of attn, but makes up for it by being the "diva" of the camp, the one (she thinks) everyone wants to emulate and be friends with. this girl, Tess, hates it when anyone else shows potential for being better than her, and sabotages the cook's dau, who has spread around the story that her mom is the president of "Hot Tunes TV, China". Eventually the truth comes out and the girl (can't remember the character's name, oh I think it's Mitchie) is horribly humiliated. Tess palys a trick on her and makes it look like she stole her (Tess's) expensive bracelet, so Mitchie is kept out of "Final Jam", the big performance they all give at the end of camp. But at the end, after Final Jam, Mitchie finally gets her chance to sing. Just b4 final Jam, Tess's other friends leave her, so Tess winds up with no back up singers. Tess's mom comes for her performance at Final Jam, but gets a phone call, and leaves in the middle of Tess' performance, and Tess runs off the stage crying.
It was billed as "starring the Jonas Bros". Actually only one is in it for very much, the other 2 just give cameos and they all perform 2 songs. The one that is kind of a main character is Joe, who was sent ther by his band mates (they are Connect Three in this movie, and aren't even brothers). His name is Shane Grey and he starts out as this whiney egotistical rock star that doesn't like being at camp teaching all these other kids to dance, etc. A side story is that he hears a girl singing, but can't see who it is, and loves her voice, wants to record with her. It's Mitchie, of course. The rumor gets around, and all the girls come and sing in his face, but he knows none of them are the one he heard (think Prince Charming looking for the girl who fits the glass slipper) Mitchie actually gets to do a few things with him, like paddling a canoe, and listening to him sing a new song he'd written, but won't sing in front of him. He figures he will finally find the girl at Final Jam, but when all the acts are done, he realizes he still has not heard the voice he heard that day, and walks away feeling dejected. Then Mitchie gets up on stage. (Final Jam is over, so she is no longer barred from the stage) and begins to sing the same song she sang the time he heard her. He turns around and comes up n stage, singing his song that he'd written, which goes right along with her song (of course, this is fantasy TV). They sing to each other and maybe they kiss, but I can't tell you for sure if they actually do, or maybe they just look into each other's eyes.
The moral of the story seems to be "don't pretend to be something you are not, don't go along with the cool crowd just b/c they are the cool crowd" something like that. Mitchie learns a good lesson the hard way. It's not a bad movie in the moral sense of "bad" I don't think. The message is a good one for kids who don't like what they really are and try to pretend they are something else. It shows what can happen when you are dishonest. It also shows that Joe's character wanted nothing to do with Mitchie after he found out she had been lying about who she really was, but when he finally found out that she was the girl he had heard singing, he forgave her.
It's a feel-good, kid friendly movie, IMHO. Other than the barely hinted at relationship between Mitchie and Shane, ther really is no "puppy love". You don't see kids walking around as couples, or anything like that. It's mostly about the dynamics of the girls and how they relate to each other.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/19/2008 8:31:27 AM
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We don't send our children to school, and we know school is not really like that. I don't want them idolizing the acters/actresses and getting wrapped up into all the hype, or to think things are "cool". I would like my kids to be themselves.
That's really the only issue I have with these types of movies, although I have this same issue with pretty much all the shows on Disney, Nick, etc. They tend to show kids who only live in really nice houses (even when they try to show a kid who is "down and out" they live in a house that's nicer than any one I have ever lived in!) and who are always dressed to perfection in the "coolest" clothes and NO ONE has a bad hair day LOL!!! I guess I just don't want my kids thinking that the real world should be like this because I think it breeds a discontent with real life because it doesn't quite "measure up".
As far as the "puppy love" I agree that it's pretty much harmless.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/19/2008 8:52:05 AM
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I think part of my concern is I saw in one of the movie reviews that they have a "dance class" for rock music. Are the dances they do in the movie appropriate that you would want you 12-13 yr old doing them?
ETA: I guess it would be more than just the dancing but are they doing any things that you wouldn't want you preteen doing? I am hesitant about shows about older teens that are aimed at preteens. I don't want my preteens acting/talking like older teens. I probably wouldn't want my older teens acting like the average older teen out there either.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/19/2008 9:58:11 AM
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What is 'dancing to rock music' anyway? Does it necessarily HAVE to be provacative? I honestly don't know because I see HSM dancing and it doesn't look riske' at all IMO.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/19/2008 12:42:34 PM
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If you want to understand your children and the world they live in, watch High School Musical.
Granted, there is less singing in reality. . . but this "we're all in this together", everyone is equal and has equal say, is the rally cry of this generation.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/21/2008 7:25:24 PM
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I have let my kids watch HM once. I don't let them watch it more because it is like junk food and not really good for them. No, I don't want my kids to imitate the kids on those movies.
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RE: High School musical and Camp Rock High - 9/22/2008 7:13:57 AM
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I think part of my concern is I saw in one of the movie reviews that they have a "dance class" for rock music. Are the dances they do in the movie appropriate that you would want you 12-13 yr old doing them?
ETA: I guess it would be more than just the dancing but are they doing any things that you wouldn't want you preteen doing? I am hesitant about shows about older teens that are aimed at preteens. I don't want my preteens acting/talking like older teens. I probably wouldn't want my older teens acting like the average older teen out there either.
Don't know about HSM, but the dance class they show in Camp Rock is harmless. It is NOT the provocative, suggestive dancing you see on some shows. I would think HSM's dancing would be the same, they were both made by Disney, and Disney seems to be very careful about the things that are marketed to preteen/young teens. They don't want the parents to boycot them!
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