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How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 12:47:08 AM
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solomonsprayer
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I think in looking back and studying the various debates Obama has had, his major weapon in deflecting any criticism away from himself when posed very tough questions has been to say that these are "silly games" or "old, tired political games" rather than answering the tough questiosn/issues in depth (addressing the seriousness of the critiques). He'd then follow up this preface to his response by saying that "What the people really care about are......[insert any number of issues, such as the economy, education, healthcare, etc. ]" ...
I think in doing this, it was a smart way of i.) avoiding tough issues and ii.) trying to show he is "above" this type of "politics" that everyone else is engaging in and that when anyone is trying to "attack" him that they are using old-school, dirty Washington politics and that Obama is different. It seemed to show Obama in a positive light by turning a negative criticism of him into a positive.
I saw this begin most poignantly in the Hillary/Obama debate in South Carolina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9F1t9GQzA (here is the PERFECT clip)...
I wish Hillary and McCain and others had pressed him on these things more. I think his strategy worked very well in getting the audience and moderators on his side.
I actually thought it was funny how in the SAME clip in less than a 10 minute span of time after Obama had JUST said we ought to be above these "tired" politics (which I don't agree with, because I think in America, people still care how you get there and not just what you accomplish....your background and character and personal questions do still matter to the American people...I"m against mudslinging for mudslinging's sake, but if the issue can be posed in a civil and polite way and it is a personal issue or of charcter, that's still acceptable since the nominees are like job applicants....they HAVE to answer these questions, juts so long as we pose them faily and nicely and that they shed light on a person's background character) ....Obama basically violates his OWN words (which proves Hillary's point about Obama saying one thing and doing something else)!!!
He mean-spiritedly says (listen to his tone!!!) he was actually doing the work of helping the poor, while Hillary was working as a cooperate lawyer for Wal-Mart (which by the way serves many of hte poor and is a great company, so why would he use that?). ....Obama himself gets dirty and nasty and mean LESS than 10 minutes - actually probably 5 minutes - after saying we should avoid these politics. Furthermore, he never answered Clinton's questions/issue about his changing positoins about the Iraq War.
I guess I saw this as the first time Obama started doing this and making himself out to be above personal questions/attacks. He made it seem as though we ought not do it in debates and politics (when he gets attacked/questioned) and yet he himself violates this rule freely on many occassions (usually when it is convenient for himself or when he gets uncontrollably mad - like at Hillary). But I did think it was effective.
He would normally just say those were dirty politics and didn't answer tough questiosn in depth and then would say the American people don't care about those issues (sort of like when McCain pressed him in their third and final Presidential Debate about breaking his word on campaign financing...he completely dodged that question and usd the SAME line that the American people don't care about that and care more about the issue of the economy, healthcare, etc.).
I thought it was a great strategy, despite not liking Obama's politics. It helped him dodge questions and appear to be the messiah (for those not looking carefully).
Any thoughts?
< Message edited by solomonsprayer -- 11/12/2008 1:02:03 AM >
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 2:03:24 AM
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ekserekseez
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Obama won his debates by:
1. Appealing to the rising blatant socialism of the American public, whereas McCain tries to hide his socialism.
2. not coming off as a cranky old man.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 2:11:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
Obama won his debates by:
1. Appealing to the rising blatant socialism of the American public, whereas McCain tries to hide his socialism.
2. not coming off as a cranky old man.
Exactly, Christians though want to make it out to be to be that Obama somehow hypnotized the general ppulace to vote for him. Instead of realizing it was his charismatic charm that won over the populace.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 3:36:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
Obama won his debates by:
1. Appealing to the rising blatant socialism of the American public, whereas McCain tries to hide his socialism.
2. not coming off as a cranky old man.
Exactly, Christians though want to make it out to be to be that Obama somehow hypnotized the general ppulace to vote for him. Instead of realizing it was his charismatic charm that won over the populace.
And the general populace is gullible...
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 3:47:41 AM
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Exactly, Christians though want to make it out to be to be that Obama somehow hypnotized the general ppulace to vote for him. Instead of realizing it was his charismatic charm that won over the populace.
No, he won over a few more people with an entitlement mentality and mobilized the black voters. He also got the votes from those who will always vote democrat and by offering everyone a piece of the pie (redistribution) he mobilized those who want what i worked for.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 9:29:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: campbe33
Exactly, Christians though want to make it out to be to be that Obama somehow hypnotized the general ppulace to vote for him. Instead of realizing it was his charismatic charm that won over the populace.
No, he won over a few more people with an entitlement mentality and mobilized the black voters. He also got the votes from those who will always vote democrat and by offering everyone a piece of the pie (redistribution) he mobilized those who want what i worked for.
As we enjoy our sour grapes, we might want to catch a cup of coffee and admit that Obummer was simply a better debater in these formats. He was unflappable and McMaverick could not stay on task, IMHO.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 9:38:26 AM
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As we enjoy our sour grapes, we might want to catch a cup of coffee and admit that Obummer was simply a better debater in these formats. He was unflappable and McMaverick could not stay on task, IMHO.
I tend to say a pox on what passes for debates on television these days, but the fact is we have known since the Nixon/Kennedy debates that the better looking, younger, more at ease person is seen to 'win' the debates on television. As far as this is true, Obama probably would have 'beaten' Lincoln in such a contest. '
Of course, Lincoln beat McCain when they debated, so who is to say for sure?
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 9:51:33 AM
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As we enjoy our sour grapes, we might want to catch a cup of coffee and admit that Obummer was simply a better debater in these formats. He was unflappable and McMaverick could not stay on task, IMHO.
I tend to say a pox on what passes for debates on television these days, but the fact is we have known since the Nixon/Kennedy debates that the better looking, younger, more at ease person is seen to 'win' the debates on television. As far as this is true, Obama probably would have 'beaten' Lincoln in such a contest. '
Of course, Lincoln beat McCain when they debated, so who is to say for sure?
It was the stovepipe hat. Lincoln was a babe-magnet.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 10:02:17 AM
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Bottom line, Obama is a better debater than McCain (substance notwithstanding).
Even in the much lauded town hall format, which was supposed to be McCain's area, Obama came out looking better.
While I do beleive McCain won on substance, Obama won when it came to swaying folks to his side.....and on election day, that was what mattered....
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 10:38:54 AM
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ekserekseez
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Bottom line, Obama is a better debater than McCain (substance notwithstanding).
Very true. McCain just comes off as cranky and grumpy most of the time. "And did I mention I'm a vet...." Yawn.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/12/2008 10:50:38 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: _jjp_
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ORIGINAL: campbe33
Exactly, Christians though want to make it out to be to be that Obama somehow hypnotized the general ppulace to vote for him. Instead of realizing it was his charismatic charm that won over the populace.
No, he won over a few more people with an entitlement mentality and mobilized the black voters. He also got the votes from those who will always vote democrat and by offering everyone a piece of the pie (redistribution) he mobilized those who want what i worked for.
As we enjoy our sour grapes, we might want to catch a cup of coffee and admit that Obummer was simply a better debater in these formats. He was unflappable and McMaverick could not stay on task, IMHO.
Ok...so he was a better debater. I'll give him that.
There were MANY times McCain could have brought up "points" and "facts" that would have discredited whatever Obama was spouting off during the debate. But, he did not.
However, I'll take a person who is bad at debating, than someone with Obama's agenda anyday.
Speaking of entitlement, there was a quote recently in the Dallas Morning News, asking Obama to "Show us that America is the land of OPPORTUNITY, not entitlements"....
good point.
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RE: How Obama Won His Debates - 11/13/2008 12:44:15 AM
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solomonsprayer
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Bottom line, Obama is a better debater than McCain (substance notwithstanding).
Very true. McCain just comes off as cranky and grumpy most of the time. "And did I mention I'm a vet...." Yawn.
Lol. Yeah, that's something I've heard a lot of criticism from. Many young people esp. thought McCain came off as irrelevant and old and cranky. His "style" was just not an appealing one to many folks. And with many younger people and those less 'intelligent'...style matters more than substance unfortunately.
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