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How can pardon be right? - 9/10/2008 1:53:19 PM
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pinopolitan
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Where condemnation for sin is just, how can pardon be right?
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RE: How can pardon be right? - 9/10/2008 1:56:49 PM
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Zhi
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Because we are pardoned on the basis that the penalty for our sins has already been paid, by Jesus.
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RE: How can pardon be right? - 9/10/2008 2:07:30 PM
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john_mark
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it isnt really a pardon. God sent His Son to die for our sins, the payment was complete, the debt was satisfied. to call it a pardon infers that the whole debt wasnt paid at the cross.
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RE: How can pardon be right? - 9/10/2008 3:52:58 PM
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The condemnation comes from our rebellion against Adonai and Adonai has provided a way to deal with that condemnation in accordance with His character. Therefore, we are now free to go and sin no more.
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RE: How can pardon be right? - 9/11/2008 9:42:33 PM
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Theophile2
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Depends on which definition you want to refer to:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pardon
2: the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty
3 a: a release from the legal penalties of an offense b: an official warrant of remission of penalty
If referring to definition #2 from the Webster's dictionary, pardon has no place in the Reformed Theology that I study. It would indicate that Jesus did not take the penalty for our sins.
If referring to definition #3 (especially 3b), it indicates that one is released from the legal penalties, but does not indicate that the penalty is not extracted from someone. So from a Reformed Theology perspective, this third definition would be an acceptable synonym for being forgiven.
That is the only way in God's view that a pardon can be "right" ... one may be pardoned from sinning against Him, but the price still must be paid by someone - that someone being the Second Person of the Trinity - Jesus Christ - being the only One who has ever been capable of paying the price of the penalty.
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RE: How can pardon be right? - 9/16/2008 6:26:53 AM
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SureHope
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quote:
ORIGINAL: pinopolitan
Where condemnation for sin is just, how can pardon be right?
Propitiation.
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:23-26 NASB95)
God justifies those who have faith in Christ Jesus and at the same time remains just. He remains just because His justice has been served in the due punishment of sin which was satisifed in the death of Christ.
Blessings,
SH
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