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Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/18/2008 4:01:53 PM
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Lapidoth
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Motorbike Ministry
You thought you had seen it all?
Take a look at this short clip showing a seeker sensitive ‘pastor’ trying to use a Motorcycle for an illustration in his ’sermon’.. this is truly pathetic.
Froooooomm
Look Out!!!!!!!
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/18/2008 4:13:05 PM
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Pastor injured during motorcycle sermon
A Kokomo, Ind., pastor said a sermon didn't necessarily go wrong when he plunged into the pews on a motorcycle -- it just went differently.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/18/2008 4:41:10 PM
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1KGS 6:7 And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building.
Doesn't anyone consider the House of God sacred anymore?
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/19/2008 1:12:31 PM
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1KGS 6:7 And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building.
Doesn't anyone consider the House of God sacred anymore?
For one thing I think you maybe stretching that verse you used. For a building that you gather together in. For it is written that a building can not house the Lord.
We are as it is written the temple of him. So I would worry how I presented myself to the public. Than to get up tight about someone who feels the need to drive a motorcycle in a building.
The only I can see that they were lucky that no one was injured in those stunts. But they are really funny 
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/19/2008 1:16:54 PM
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Just a stupid idea gone stupider.
I at least got a giggle out of the slow-mo replay.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/23/2008 6:47:43 AM
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1KGS 6:7 And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building.
Doesn't anyone consider the House of God sacred anymore?
Than to get up tight about someone who feels the need to drive a motorcycle in a building. WHAT??
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/23/2008 11:41:28 AM
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It probably would have been helpful if these guys had actually learned to ride motorcycles prior to using them in their...um...illustrations.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/23/2008 11:48:20 AM
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It would help if the ministers who "go back" to presenting the gospel,
instead of the different "illustrated sermons" which is only entertainment.
But, we are in the age of tickling the ears and lifting the wallets.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/24/2008 11:27:12 AM
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Please do know that God has placed Himself in a box - Scripture. The Bible is God's Holy and absolute Word for all of mankind.
Please do know that God cannot do everything and that God is indeed a God of order and perfection.
This may be a bit off topic, but I was saying the same thing in our morning studies.
I'm one of those that color-code my Bible as I study. I draw lines from one passage
to another. I draw boxes around pertinent passages.
In our conversation this week, we ran across a verse or two that is preached on
many times in many ways. As I looked at my Bible, I noticed I had boxed in the entire
contextual passage, but I also boxed in the verse in side the box.
I made the comment after we discussed how the verses were taken "out of context"
and said to mean something it didn't come close to saying, that this is actually taking
God "out of the box." Pulling a scripture out of context, context being the box God put
Himself in.
So, there's my angle at "letting God out of a box."
That's a slang to justify doing our own thing disregarding what the Bible really says.
As earthless says, God put Himself in a box called the Scripture.
I call it the parameters of life and other things.
I'm spending my time getting back into God's box.
I've spent enough time out of the box in the doctrines of men.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/24/2008 7:12:19 PM
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I totally agree. However, I meant that we shouldn't expect our pastors to stay within the box of tradition - doing the things the same old way just because it is the same old way we've always done it.
Times change, we learn new ways to reach people...BUT the message is always GOD's WORD the way God wrote it - that doesn't change.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 9/25/2008 5:42:15 AM
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1COR 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
I think PREACHING is and always has been God's chosen method.
Not saying all illistrative message are ridiculous, but this one definitely seemed like a 3 ring circus.
Not to mention safety hazard that he breached. Also am not sure it's wise to have a gasoline engine running inside a building because of carbon monoxide posioning.
Preaching to some is foolishness, though. But not to God, or those that believe.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/1/2008 12:44:18 PM
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It would help if the ministers who "go back" to presenting the gospel,
instead of the different "illustrated sermons" which is only entertainment.
But, we are in the age of tickling the ears and lifting the wallets.
I don't have a problem with this. Jesus used teaching metaphors, so why can't we? I'm sure if Jesus had PowerPoint or motorcycles he'd have used them or talked about them. Although I suspect he wouldn't have driven off the end of a stage.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/1/2008 1:11:03 PM
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Although I suspect he wouldn't have driven off the end of a stage.
ROFL.
I don't think He'll be falling off His white stead
either as He parts the skies. lol.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/6/2008 4:40:15 PM
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Let's get back to old fashioned preaching and leave the comedy and other nonsense to the real entertainers. Anything to tickle itching ears.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/7/2008 12:42:28 PM
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Let's get back to old fashioned preaching and leave the comedy and other nonsense to the real entertainers. Anything to tickle itching ears.
I don't see how using a motorcycle as a means of an illustration is an "itching ears" scenario.
I have no problem with someone wanting to use a motorcycle . . . as long as they know HOW to use a motorcycle. .
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/7/2008 1:46:41 PM
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I don't see how using a motorcycle as a means of an illustration is an "itching ears" scenario.
Well, since motorcycles only have 2 wheels, it's denying the trinity. ...Don't even ask what using something with four wheels would be trying to teach. Maybe the deification of Oprah.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/7/2008 4:38:06 PM
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It just seems to me that this type of stuff is more focus on the shock value/entertainment than it is the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
People are wanting to hear more "Life Lessons" type of sermons than the pure message of Christ, and that is what the Bible refers to as itching ears.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/7/2008 4:50:09 PM
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People are wanting to hear more "Life Lessons" type of sermons than the pure message of Christ, and that is what the Bible refers to as itching ears.
Then why did Jesus use parables to teach? He was meeting people were they were, not lecturing on dry points of doctrine. He used earthly examples, He put things in ways people could understand, and He didn't shy away from life lessons.
But perhaps I am misunderstanding you. What, exactly, do you mean by "Life Lessons" type sermons?
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/8/2008 5:52:12 AM
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People are wanting to hear more "Life Lessons" type of sermons than the pure message of Christ, and that is what the Bible refers to as itching ears.
Then why did Jesus use parables to teach? He was meeting people were they were, not lecturing on dry points of doctrine. He used earthly examples, He put things in ways people could understand, and He didn't shy away from life lessons.
But perhaps I am misunderstanding you. What, exactly, do you mean by "Life Lessons" type sermons?
Lecturing on dry points of doctrine?
2TM 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Which parable are you speaking of that contains a "Life Lessons" that you claim Jesus taught?
The "Life Lessons" I'm talking about are the things that make our life more comfortable now. Positive sermons about getting the most out of life, promotions, etc.
Joel Osteen type sermons.
Jesus' parables were always pertaining to Eternity, Heaven, loving our fellow man or our relation with God, and what God expects of us.
None of His parables were teaching us how to get ahead in this life.
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RE: Is there anything we won't do for a sermon? - 10/8/2008 8:40:26 PM
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Lecturing on dry points of doctrine?
2TM 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
There's a large difference between sound doctrine, and dry doctrine. Sound doctrine changes lives, it doesn't bore people. And there's nothing in Scripture to suggest that sound doctrine and motorcycle examples are mutually exclusive.
I do, however, agree with you on "Life Lessons." Thank you for clarifying what you meant by that term. Sadly, many people today think God's #1 goal is to make our lives better. While He does want the best for us, that "best" is not what many big-name speakers today want us to believe.
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