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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 5:34:00 PM
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I wish that Fox News had had the courage to go public with the whole conversation that was caught on tape.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 5:38:22 PM
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Perhaps now that he has smeared the media's darling they will.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 6:29:28 PM
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Perhaps now that he has smeared the media's darling they will.
I don't think Senator Obama is Fox News' darling.
Sean Hannity for one has done pieces negative toward Obama.
O'Reilly has been fairly passive but he has had many guests critical of Obama. Not so many from Obama's side it seems (but he has had them).
I'm not sure why Fox News didn't air the whole tape, I imagine they will at some point, my guess being on a very special edition of Hannity & Colmes or on Hannity's America another option is that they'll let new guy Larry Eldar do it to give his new show a boost. I don't think its to protect Jesse Jackson though, Jackson has criticized Fox News in the past.
Edit: I read that O'Reilly "owns" this story (as the Fox technician that discovered it passed it on to Bill) so it'll probably air in its entirety soon on "The Factor", no doubt claiming that the people have demanded to see it in spite of O'Reilly's desire not to make Reverend Jackson look bad (uh-huh).
Also I heard a good point on one of the local news stations. Is it possible that Jackson did it on purpose to drum up sympathy for Obama? Jackson has a fairly negative reputation for race baiting (not saying if its deserved or not and have zero interest in debating it, its the rep that matters in this case). So if Jackson criticizes Obama will that lead some people to start thinking that maybe Obama isn't so bad after all.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 7:02:14 PM
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Also I heard a good point on one of the local news stations. Is it possible that Jackson did it on purpose to drum up sympathy for Obama?
Jackson's ego would never let him intentionally say something that would reflect so badly on himself.....but I guess we now know how he really feels about Obama.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 7:24:17 PM
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Jackson's ego would never let him intentionally say something that would reflect so badly on himself
Yeah thats probably true. Unless he was promised a high position if Obama becomes president.
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but I guess we now know how he really feels about Obama.
Maybe. It sounded to me more like he was upset over that one thing. I know the "threat" sounded harsh (I'm a guy, it sounded very harsh) but I could see someone saying that about one of their friends that really peeved them off although it usually takes the form of a more general physical threat ("when I see him I'm gonna kick his ... butt). Not everybody would obviously but I think some would and even get inventive while doing it. Especially one who prides himself on being a wordsmith like Reverend Jackson does.
Or maybe he does hate Senator Obama and / or is jealous of him, who knows?
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 7:37:11 PM
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Maybe the <cough> Rev. doesn't think Obama is black(enough)...
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 7:49:15 PM
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Maybe the <cough> Rev. doesn't think Obama is black(enough)...
If thats the perception people get from this then that will only help Senator Obama with the moderates. And I doubt the left will abandon Obama, especially over this. Any extreme liberals that will abandon him will do so because of his "evolving" position on Iraq. Senator McCain may not be the ideal candidate for the conservatives but he is a nightmare for the liberals. They resent Nader (in general, obviously a few people like him) for his role (perceived or real) in their loss in 2000 and believe him to be a selfish attention getter who'll be completely ineffective if elected (just gander at the fanatical left blogs if you can stomach it).
So conservatives may want to keep this one on the down low for their benefit.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 8:49:45 PM
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Maybe that's why he said it...
Agreed, look up thread a bit. 
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Extreme liberals know the drill...
Yes they do, and they're getting better at it. I do think there are a few 'true believers" about the Iraq war (Cindy Sheehan being the most prominent example) but since Obama didn't promise a complete withdrawal on Inaguration Day they probably weren't voting for him anyway. So no loss to Obama of any significance.
But they are prideful and aware, if Obama drifts too far to the middle on too many issues he may experience a loss to his base he won't like (the gains he makes in the middle may be offset by the loss). They can always stay home on election day.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 9:19:30 PM
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Jesse Jackson seems to keep his foot firmly entrenched in his mouth and what I like is that he usually is more indignant at the "eavedropping" on his "private" conversations than the content of what he said!
To give him credit he apologized quickly even though I have reservations on the sincerity (or was that political expediency) of it.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 10:35:40 PM
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Yeah I had Fox news on tonight and realized they are the ones who decided to run only part of the story. I did not know that when I first saw it.
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Perhaps now that he has smeared the media's darling they will.
I don't think Senator Obama is Fox News' darling.
Sean Hannity for one has done pieces negative toward Obama.
O'Reilly has been fairly passive but he has had many guests critical of Obama. Not so many from Obama's side it seems (but he has had them).
I'm not sure why Fox News didn't air the whole tape, I imagine they will at some point, my guess being on a very special edition of Hannity & Colmes or on Hannity's America another option is that they'll let new guy Larry Eldar do it to give his new show a boost. I don't think its to protect Jesse Jackson though, Jackson has criticized Fox News in the past.
Edit: I read that O'Reilly "owns" this story (as the Fox technician that discovered it passed it on to Bill) so it'll probably air in its entirety soon on "The Factor", no doubt claiming that the people have demanded to see it in spite of O'Reilly's desire not to make Reverend Jackson look bad (uh-huh).
Also I heard a good point on one of the local news stations. Is it possible that Jackson did it on purpose to drum up sympathy for Obama? Jackson has a fairly negative reputation for race baiting (not saying if its deserved or not and have zero interest in debating it, its the rep that matters in this case). So if Jackson criticizes Obama will that lead some people to start thinking that maybe Obama isn't so bad after all.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 10:52:16 PM
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Jesse Jackson seems to keep his foot firmly entrenched in his mouth and what I like is that he usually is more indignant at the "eavedropping" on his "private" conversations than the content of what he said!
Well that would be personal responsibility and I suspect how the good reverend feels about that. 
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To give him credit he apologized quickly even though I have reservations on the sincerity (or was that political expediency) of it.
Apologies are a dime a dozen in modern politics (and in public life in general).
As far as the whole story, O'Reilly stuck to his guns about not showing the whole thing. Considering how O'Reilly and Fox News have covered Jackson (shall we say tough, probably more fair than not), therefore knowing that they aren't trying to cover up for him I'll respect O'Reilly a little more if he sticks to his guns on this.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 11:18:48 PM
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Jesse Jackson seems to keep his foot firmly entrenched in his mouth and what I like is that he usually is more indignant at the "eavedropping" on his "private" conversations than the content of what he said!
Well that would be personal responsibility and I suspect how the good reverend feels about that.
How true!
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To give him credit he apologized quickly even though I have reservations on the sincerity (or was that political expediency) of it.
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Apologies are a dime a dozen in modern politics (and in public life in general).
How true, part two!
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/10/2008 11:30:09 PM
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My question is...why is ol' JJ so upset over the truth Obama was talking about? Are fatherless families a problem....or not?
Jesse Jackson is a race pimp. He is so lost in his own pride and agenda that when someone goes outside of his small minded, ignorant and prejudiced box, he can only retaliate in the manner which truly describes his hate filled politically correct beliefs.
He is no reverand, no christian leader in any way or fashion. A pure hate monger.
He has once again defined his true nature.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 12:20:39 AM
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My question is...why is ol' JJ so upset over the truth Obama was talking about? Are fatherless families a problem....or not?
I agree with your point. But for the sake of getting the whole picture people who have defended Jackson have said that while he has no quarrel with the point that fathers need to be responsible for their children he is upset that Obama did not point out the inequalities in the system that keep African Americans down and therefore are also responsible (in his mind) for the problem. One gentleman also stated that the fatherless family speech should not have been addressed just to African Americans.
IMHO this is at best stupid. You do not tell someone they are responsible for their actions and follow that up with a list of excuses or reasons why they are not responsible for those same actions. Its called a mixed message and the listener is only going to take away the part of the mix they wanted to hear. However I suspect the Reverend Jackson is well aware of this. I do not believe he is a stupid man. So it must be that Senator Obama's message in that case conflicted with "the good reverend's" agenda.
As far as addressing it to the population at large, I heard one stat that says 70% of all African American babies are born out of wedlock. If that is true (I haven't been able to research it yet) then its a much bigger problem for the African American community than for the population at large. And Obama was addressing an African American audience.
And full kudos to Obama (and Bill Cosby before himand I'm sure others) for delivering that message of personal responsibility. A not so popular message among some of his supporters.
BTW: if African Americans feel that our system has a racial bias that works against them then I have no problem with them speaking out. Actually I do even though maybe I shouldn't, it gets old and I just don't see it nearly as widespread as they do, that the white man's main goal is to make sure African Americans stay down. But I'm not black so I'll concede I might not be seeing it. But make sure you're right first and take all the responsibility you can and do everything you can to make it. Then when you've done all that, then tell me about how "whitey" is still keeping you down.
I don't mean to be flippant and there is still a problem with racism no doubt but no amount of oppression, real or imagined, absolves one from the responsibility for their actions.
And thanks Mapachito13 for the support.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 7:23:23 AM
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Also I heard a good point on one of the local news stations. Is it possible that Jackson did it on purpose to drum up sympathy for Obama?
Yeah right.
I can imagine THAT conversation between Obama strategists and Jackson.
I think the reason for Fox's somewhat subdued reaction to all this is obvious. If Louis Farrakhan was caught saying he thought Obama was a really great guy, Hannity and company would be running loops of it non-stop. Fox, which this political season stands for the Flog Obama eXpress, only focuses on news events that negatively affect Obama. Sort of like some of the folks in a certain Christian forum. I wouldn't be surprised if soon, the spinmeisters at Fox start embracing Jackson like they all of a sudden did Hillary Clinton. Who knows? Maybe Jackson wanted a job with Fox?
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 7:57:09 AM
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My question is...why is ol' JJ so upset over the truth Obama was talking about? Are fatherless families a problem....or not?
I agree with your point. But for the sake of getting the whole picture people who have defended Jackson have said that while he has no quarrel with the point that fathers need to be responsible for their children he is upset that Obama did not point out the inequalities in the system that keep African Americans down and therefore are also responsible (in his mind) for the problem. One gentleman also stated that the fatherless family speech should not have been addressed just to African Americans.
IMHO this is at best stupid. You do not tell someone they are responsible for their actions and follow that up with a list of excuses or reasons why they are not responsible for those same actions. Its called a mixed message and the listener is only going to take away the part of the mix they wanted to hear. However I suspect the Reverend Jackson is well aware of this. I do not believe he is a stupid man. So it must be that Senator Obama's message in that case conflicted with "the good reverend's" agenda.
As far as addressing it to the population at large, I heard one stat that says 70% of all African American babies are born out of wedlock. If that is true (I haven't been able to research it yet) then its a much bigger problem for the African American community than for the population at large. And Obama was addressing an African American audience.
And full kudos to Obama (and Bill Cosby before himand I'm sure others) for delivering that message of personal responsibility. A not so popular message among some of his supporters.
BTW: if African Americans feel that our system has a racial bias that works against them then I have no problem with them speaking out. Actually I do even though maybe I shouldn't, it gets old and I just don't see it nearly as widespread as they do, that the white man's main goal is to make sure African Americans stay down. But I'm not black so I'll concede I might not be seeing it. But make sure you're right first and take all the responsibility you can and do everything you can to make it. Then when you've done all that, then tell me about how "whitey" is still keeping you down.
I don't mean to be flippant and there is still a problem with racism no doubt but no amount of oppression, real or imagined, absolves one from the responsibility for their actions.
And thanks Mapachito13 for the support.
If you're going to keep posting such great posts Rufas mine will consist of only four words from now on - "Ditto, what Rufas2000 said!" 
I just heard on the news how Phil Gramm said we are a nation of whiners and I agree. We all play the blame game that is as old as Adam, Eve and the serpent. Perhaps Jesus wouldn't have had to die if we took resposibility for our own actions way back when. BTW, just my musings and not trying to open a debate on that subject. That would have to be another thread in a different section!
So much for a four word post!
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 8:09:24 AM
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IMHO this is at best stupid. You do not tell someone they are responsible for their actions and follow that up with a list of excuses or reasons why they are not responsible for those same actions. Its called a mixed message and the listener is only going to take away the part of the mix they wanted to hear. However I suspect the Reverend Jackson is well aware of this. I do not believe he is a stupid man. So it must be that Senator Obama's message in that case conflicted with "the good reverend's" agenda.
It's as simple as that.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 8:22:39 AM
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I wish that Fox News had had the courage to go public with the whole conversation that was caught on tape.
Chicago's morning talk show said FOX may broadcast the whole conversation this weekend.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 8:26:01 AM
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He is jealous. Obama is doing what he was never able to.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 1:53:08 PM
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He is jealous. Obama is doing what he was never able to.
Bingo.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 1:58:36 PM
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I heard on the morning news that JJ cannot stand that BO is not offering government services. Instead he is saying if you want a better life then get off your butts and work for it like everyone else.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 2:56:31 PM
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Also I heard a good point on one of the local news stations. Is it possible that Jackson did it on purpose to drum up sympathy for Obama?
Yeah right.
I can imagine THAT conversation between Obama strategists and Jackson.
I think the reason for Fox's somewhat subdued reaction to all this is obvious. If Louis Farrakhan was caught saying he thought Obama was a really great guy, Hannity and company would be running loops of it non-stop. Fox, which this political season stands for the Flog Obama eXpress, only focuses on news events that negatively affect Obama. Sort of like some of the folks in a certain Christian forum. I wouldn't be surprised if soon, the spinmeisters at Fox start embracing Jackson like they all of a sudden did Hillary Clinton. Who knows? Maybe Jackson wanted a job with Fox?
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Sorta like what Keith Ölberman does with McCain.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 3:51:15 PM
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If you're going to keep posting such great posts Rufas mine will consist of only four words from now on - "Ditto, what Rufas2000 said!"
Thank you, much appreciated.
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