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John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 2:57:41 PM
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TomTurn
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Every time I hear of cadidates going on Spanish speaking TV, radio and having spanish websites and all, it makes me wonder are their that many people born in the U.S. who do not speak english but only spanish to need this? Since you have to be a citizen to vote, why all the pandering to non english media (spanish only for the most part)? Unless they are admitting that non citizens are voting in large numbers?
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 3:14:10 PM
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Actually, you don't have to be a citizen to vote. Look at Guam. They got to vote in the Dem primary (based on the Dem party rules) and they are not all US citizens. Why did they have a part in the process? Because the Dem party said they could.
However you are right in that one has to be a citizen in order to vote in the general election.
But I too was somewhat surprised at the website. I thought with the Kennedy amnesty bill he would have had that vote tied up. Maybe his message in Spanish is to remind that block of voters of that. 
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 3:56:35 PM
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Guamanians are U.S. citizens but that is another conversation.
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I thought with the Kennedy amnesty bill
Which one (-:
"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same… Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset…. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia"- T.K. amnesty 1965
"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this." - T.K. amnesty 1986
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 4:38:17 PM
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Guamanians are U.S. citizens but that is another conversation. Who represents them in Congress? I have yet to see the Guam delegation or know who their two Senators are.
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 5:44:59 PM
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TomTurn
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Nearly 40,000 noncitizens currently serve on active duty. Most are from Mexico. BTW, they pay taxes, too.
Great to have them!
Now to keep it on track, do they need a John McCain website in Spanish? Why?
Do those who speak Italian have a John McCain site to go to that is in Italian? If not why not?
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 5:48:53 PM
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Who represents them in Congress?
Madeleine Bordallo
But all of this is another discussion
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 5:53:41 PM
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Nearly 40,000 noncitizens currently serve on active duty. Most are from Mexico. BTW, they pay taxes, too.
Great to have them!
Now to keep it on track, do they need a John McCain website in Spanish? Why?
Do those who speak Italian have a John McCain site to go to that is in Italian? If not why not?
If the web had been around during earlier immigration periods, there might have been one in Italian, German, Alabaman, etc.
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 6:11:03 PM
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Every time I hear of cadidates going on Spanish speaking TV, radio and having spanish websites and all, it makes me wonder are their that many people born in the U.S. who do not speak english but only spanish to need this? Since you have to be a citizen to vote, why all the pandering to non english media (spanish only for the most part)? Unless they are admitting that non citizens are voting in large numbers?
Come out to California, especially southern 
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 6:46:35 PM
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Every time I hear of cadidates going on Spanish speaking TV, radio and having spanish websites and all, it makes me wonder are their that many people born in the U.S. who do not speak english but only spanish to need this? Since you have to be a citizen to vote, why all the pandering to non english media (spanish only for the most part)? Unless they are admitting that non citizens are voting in large numbers?
Come out to California, especially southern
First generation immigrants, even when they become citizens, do not understand or speak English fluently, because it is a second language. Very few people are able to be fluent in two languages.
A dear friend of our family was born in Korea and came here as an adult. She is a college educated professional and a US citizen. But her English falters at times. She doesn't watch movies often because it is frequently hard to follow dialogue (because of the frequent use of slang, innuendo, etc) common to English. Another Korean-American I know watches Korean TV by satellite for the same reason.
IOW if you get your head away from FOX Republican News and think and listen, your paranoia might drop a degree or so. There is no evidence voter fraud is increasing or that it is tied to immigration in any meaningful way.
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 6:52:41 PM
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...to answer the op's question...it's obvious (for the same reason Spanish language advertising makerts are exploding).
McCain wants to appeal to bi-lingual voters by using their first language.
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 8:23:15 PM
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First generation immigrants, even when they become citizens, do not understand or speak English fluently, because it is a second language. Very few people are able to be fluent in two languages.
Understand that
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A dear friend of our family was born in Korea and came here as an adult. She is a college educated professional and a US citizen. But her English falters at times. She doesn't watch movies often because it is frequently hard to follow dialogue (because of the frequent use of slang, innuendo, etc) common to English. Another Korean-American I know watches Korean TV by satellite for the same reason.
So does John McCain have a Korean website for her to go to? Does her vote not count?
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IOW if you get your head away from FOX Republican News and think and listen, your paranoia might drop a degree or so. There is no evidence voter fraud is increasing or that it is tied to immigration in any meaningful way.
Let me interpret. "I do not have a real good reason for there to be that site, so I will attempt to discount your obsevation by attempting to label you with something that is not true in hopes you will run and others will not say, that is a good question, why does he have that site?"
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 8:24:48 PM
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McCain wants to appeal to bi-lingual voters by using their first language.
So he is calling them too stupid to understand english?
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/6/2008 10:47:26 PM
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Bottom line Tom is that although I forget the year it is to happen it is not too far in the future that Hispanics will make up 50 percent of the total population and will have real voting members of Congress representing them, unlike the Gaum Representative who can only vote on procedural matters.
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/7/2008 8:51:51 AM
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Bottom line Tom is that although I forget the year it is to happen it is not too far in the future that Hispanics will make up 50 percent of the total population and will have real voting members of Congress representing them
So in this election is McCain and others now admitting we will be officially a bi-lingual country or stating that those who speak spanish as their 1st language too stupid to assimilate to speaking and understanding english?
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/7/2008 10:39:39 AM
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I think you can look to a bi-lingual, tri-lingual, multi-lingual country in the future. I mean c'mon, all you have to do to see the future is look at the California ballot with about 15 different languages on it....
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/7/2008 10:49:31 AM
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I think you can look to a bi-lingual, tri-lingual, multi-lingual country in the future. I mean c'mon, all you have to do to see the future is look at the California ballot with about 15 different languages on it..
Has that made California stronger? Will it make the U.S. stronger?
So McCain is lying when he says
"I think the most practical value is to make English used by all Americans and all citizens, and all who come here. The only way we move up the economic ladder from the bottom rung is to know English. And I would emphasize the importance of every person who comes to this country to become a citizen and enjoy its liberties & beauty is to learn English. And I will do everything I can to help them do that."
How is he making this come true through a Spanish website?
Why doe he not have 14 other websites in various languages?
Which brings up the point again that to vote one must be a citizen and to gain citizenship through imigration one mut be able to read, speak and understand the english language.
So is california admitting that non citizens are voting?
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/7/2008 12:24:20 PM
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I think you can look to a bi-lingual, tri-lingual, multi-lingual country in the future. I mean c'mon, all you have to do to see the future is look at the California ballot with about 15 different languages on it....
 
It's totally uncalled for!! If they can't speak the language or read it than they need to learn it or use an interpreter. The business of interpreters should be a BOOMING Business in California and around the USA . America is one main language speaking people --- English; and written material, such as ballots, need to be in English only as well. If you speak another language, or more, GREAT!! If you hired and/or make available interpreters for non-English speaking people GREAT!! Or vise-a-versa, GREAT!! This goes for Mc Cain too!! But to be a bi-lingual, tri-lingual, multi-lingual country in the future --- NO; that's wrong!! And it should be seen as an insult to everyone and anyone who worked to become part of an English speaking America --- for the past 200+ years.
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/7/2008 1:15:45 PM
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TomTurn
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Nearly 40,000 noncitizens currently serve on active duty. Most are from Mexico. BTW, they pay taxes, too
Forgot to ask. Does the military provide a bi-lingual enviroment, giving instructions in both spanish (or other language) and english or are they forced to conform to an english only military?
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RE: John McCain's new Spanish website, why? - 5/7/2008 8:12:56 PM
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IOW if you get your head away from FOX Republican News and think and listen, your paranoia might drop a degree or so. There is no evidence voter fraud is increasing or that it is tied to immigration in any meaningful way.
Oh...cow451...Lighten up a bit...I still have rabbit ears TV! And I am not paranoia. I was just kidding around........
It is OK, cow...it really is OK....
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