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Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/12/2008 2:43:10 PM   
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(Matthew 21:2-7) - "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them, and bring them to Me. 3“And if anyone says something to you, you shall say, ‘The Lord has need of them,’ and immediately he will send them.” 4Now this took place that what was spoken through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, 5“Say to the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold your King is coming to you, gentle, and mounted on a donkey, even on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’” 6And the disciples went and did just as Jesus had directed them, 7and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid on them their garments, on which He sat."

Mark and Luke only mention the colt. Mark 11:2-7; Luke 19:30.

Matthew is citing Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey."

It is my understanding that Zechariah 9:9 is an example of Hebrew parallelism. In other words, there is only one animal, not two.

Why does Matthew mention two animals? It sounds like he is unaware of Hebrew parallelism and he should since he was a Jew. Can anyone explain? Thanks.
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/12/2008 4:09:46 PM   
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I'm not a 'equine' person but it could be that the 'colt' was a unbroken donkey. Never the less, it's speaking of the same animal in my estimation..

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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/12/2008 4:33:18 PM   
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i am not a greek scholar by any means but matthew may have been quoting the septuigant instead of the hebrew for zac 9:9 which reads

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; proclaim it aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, the King is coming to thee, just, and a Saviour; he is meek and riding on an ass, and a young foal.

note that it says ass and young foal.
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/12/2008 6:45:28 PM   
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quote:

i am not a greek scholar by any means but matthew may have been quoting the septuigant instead of the hebrew for zac 9:9 which reads

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; proclaim it aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, the King is coming to thee, just, and a Saviour; he is meek and riding on an ass, and a young foal.




Right you are, Matthew was quoting the Septuagent!
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/13/2008 7:09:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LCannon

I'm not a 'equine' person but it could be that the 'colt' was a unbroken donkey. Never the less, it's speaking of the same animal in my estimation..


Thank you.
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/13/2008 7:10:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: john_mark

i am not a greek scholar by any means but matthew may have been quoting the septuigant instead of the hebrew for zac 9:9 which reads

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; proclaim it aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, the King is coming to thee, just, and a Saviour; he is meek and riding on an ass, and a young foal.

note that it says ass and young foal.


The way you put it looks like Jesus was riding both animals, like a circus performer.
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/13/2008 2:03:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: john_mark

i am not a greek scholar by any means but matthew may have been quoting the septuigant instead of the hebrew for zac 9:9 which reads

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; proclaim it aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, the King is coming to thee, just, and a Saviour; he is meek and riding on an ass, and a young foal.

note that it says ass and young foal.


The way you put it looks like Jesus was riding both animals, like a circus performer.


i was simply trying to answer your question as to why matthew said a donkey and a colt.
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/13/2008 6:17:31 PM   
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When a horse...or donkey.... is born, it is a foal.....either sex can be called a foal....a colt is a male.......underage...never referred to as a stallion. This animal was young if it was still with it's mother and referred to as a colt. Typically, equines can begin weaning at 3 mths of age. If left to their own devices, and if momma doesn't mind (remember they have teeth as this point) they can still suck at 6 mths.

So, Jesus rode an 'unbroken' or 'backed' as we say, animal into Jerusalem.

At least that is how it appears which makes it more remarkable, really.
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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/16/2008 6:51:03 AM   
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I've wondered about this passage, too. The way I see it, the disciples brought two donkeys to Jesus--mother and colt, and Jesus rode the colt. There was at least one miracle here--the colt apparently didn't try to buck, but let Jesus ride. I sort of picture the colt as having just reached whatever age donkey colts are/were usually broken, and its owner probably would have done it soon, but hadn't done it yet. I get that idea because the colt would have had to have been big enough to support Jesus' weight. There may have been another miracle, too. I don't know much about equines either, but aren't animal mothers protective of their babies? Maybe it was another miracle that the mother donkey didn't have a fit when Jesus sat on the colt. I don't know if any of this is right or not, it's just what I think.

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RE: Matthew 21:2-7, a donkey and a colt - 8/16/2008 4:06:31 PM   
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Matthew is citing Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey."

It is my understanding that Zechariah 9:9 is an example of Hebrew parallelism. In other words, there is only one animal, not two.

Why does Matthew mention two animals? It sounds like he is unaware of Hebrew parallelism and he should since he was a Jew. Can anyone explain? Thanks.



No. Please, no. Just one animal. No mystery.

The colt IS the foal. a colt is a male offspring of a donkey or horse.

No Hebrew Parallelism. Matthew is not writing anything strange...it is such a simple passage of scripture. Thanks

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