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Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 2:36:01 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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...anyone else think it very Insider-Washingtonian that John McCain's foreign policy adviser is a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia, at the very moment that McCain is trying to make the conflict in Georgia an American campaign issue?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist
Just a queston, Senator - had your party, and your President, gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 2:59:18 PM
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Just a queston, Senator - had your party, and your President, gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision?
Are you suggesting that bringing former Soviet satellites into NATO (of which there are currently a number) is a bad idea?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 3:39:13 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Just a queston, Senator - had your party, and your President, gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision?
Are you suggesting that bringing former Soviet satellites into NATO (of which there are currently a number) is a bad idea?
Answer the question as asked - rewording is a transparently clumsy straw man tactic.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 3:42:06 PM
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The answer? I think it's a good foreign policy decision and in no way diminishes ones capacity to be President.
Do you think supporting having Georgia as a part of NATO should cause us to be less inclined to elect McCain as President?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 3:45:37 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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The answer? I think it's a good foreign policy decision and in no way diminishes ones capacity to be President.
Do you think supporting having Georgia as a part of NATO should cause us to be less inclined to elect McCain as President?
Evidently, you think it in the national interst of the United States to be pledged to the defense of Georgia and thus today involved in a direct war with Russia - would you care to explain why you think that is?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 3:57:26 PM
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Jhud
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Evidently, you think it in the national interst of the United States to be pledged to the defense of Georgia and thus today involved in a direct war with Russia - would you care to explain why you think that is?
I just generally think it's good to convert former communist satellites to friends.
But this is about whether a Presidential candidate thinks so - do you think this diminishes a candidate's qualifications for office?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 4:18:08 PM
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Evidently, you think it in the national interst of the United States to be pledged to the defense of Georgia and thus today involved in a direct war with Russia - would you care to explain why you think that is?
If Georgia had been a member of NATO Ruissia would not have invaded it.
And by the by, McCain was spot on with his statements.
B. Hussein Obama's statement was the typical non-response statement we have grown to expect from him.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 4:24:45 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Evidently, you think it in the national interst of the United States to be pledged to the defense of Georgia and thus today involved in a direct war with Russia - would you care to explain why you think that is?
If Georgia had been a member of NATO Ruissia would not have invaded it.
An interesting theory, but nonetheless, advocating another round of nuclear chicken with my kids' lives as the betting chips. The question is - is Georgia worth betting humanity?
And by the by, McCain was spot on with his statements.
Please refresh my memory - what statements were thosem, and when did McCain get elected to the position of speaking for the United States?
B. Hussein Obama's statement was the typical non-response statement we have grown to expect from him.
Please refresh my memory, what did Obama say that you disagree with, and why, and why would you expect him, not (yet) elected to President, to be speaking for America in a foreign-policy issue?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 4:40:25 PM
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*Commentator whispers quietly*
What SwedishCovenant fails to realize in this ironic exchange, is that Barak Obama co-sponsored a resolution with John McCain supporting Georgia's inclusion in NATO.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 4:43:28 PM
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Regardless of who McCain's foreign policy adviser is this did not provoke or cause Russia to invade Georgia.
Whether or not Georgia is part of NATO, NATO may indeed end up going to Georgia's defense if Russia does not withdraw.
How is McCain attempting to make this a campaign issue? Because he made a statement regarding Georgia? Well so did NObama, so why not accuse him of the same thing?
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 5:00:29 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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*Commentator whispers quietly*
What SwedishCovenant fails to realize in this ironic exchange, is that Barak Obama co-sponsored a resolution with John McCain supporting Georgia's inclusion in NATO.
Why, so he did - a fact that is completely irrelevant to the original question, which was, in case it has been forgotten:
"...anyone else think it very Insider-Washingtonian that John McCain's foreign policy adviser is a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia, at the very moment that McCain is trying to make the conflict in Georgia an American campaign issue? "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist
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"Had your party, and your President, gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision? "
Any discussion of the actual thread topic would be welcome.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 5:04:22 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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B. Hussein Obama's statement was the typical non-response statement we have grown to expect from him.
Never mind, i found Obama's statement.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/laurinmanning/gG5bh2
Please identify what in this statement you consider to be 'the typical non-response' mentioned in your post.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 5:04:33 PM
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Jhud
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Had your party, and your President, gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision?
Actually, this is the part that we are addressing. It can now be modified thusly:
"Had [Barak Obama], and [Hillary Clinton], gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision?"
There - wonder how you would answer that more accurate question. Differently I suppose.
Also, I think your ignore button is seriously broken.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 5:18:20 PM
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Jhud
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Obama's original statement on the 8th (before it 'evolved')
I strongly condemn the outbreak of violence in Georgia, and urge an immediate end to armed conflict. Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint, and to avoid an escalation to full scale war. Georgia’s territorial integrity must be respected. All sides should enter into direct talks on behalf of stability in Georgia, and the United States, the United Nations Security Council, and the international community should fully support a peaceful resolution to this crisis.”
McCain's original statement:
"[T]he news reports indicate that Russian military forces crossed an internationally recognized border into the sovereign territory of Georgia. Russia should immediately and unconditionally cease its military operations and withdraw all forces from sovereign Georgian territory. What is most critical now is to avoid further confrontation between Russian and Georgian military forces. The consequences of Euro-Atlantic stability and security are grave. The government of Georgia has called for a ceasefire and for a resumption of direct talks on South Ossetia with international mediators. The U.S. should immediately convene an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council to call on Russia to reverse course. The U.S. should immediately work with the EU and the OSCE to put diplomatic pressure on Russia to reverse this perilous course that it has chosen.
"I repeat, the government of Georgia has called for a ceasefire and for a resumption of direct talks on South Ossetia with international mediators. The United States should immediately convene an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council and to call on Russia to reverse course. The U.S. should immediately work with the EU and the OSCE to put diplomatic pressure on Russia to reverse this perilous course that it has chosen. We should immediately call a meeting of the North Atlantic Council to asses Georgia's security and review measures NATO can take to contribute to stabilizing this very dangerous situation. Finally, the international community needs to establish a truly independent and neutral peacekeeping force in South Ossetia.
I think they are quite different.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 6:02:31 PM
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...anyone else think it very Insider-Washingtonian that John McCain's foreign policy adviser is a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia, at the very moment that McCain is trying to make the conflict in Georgia an American campaign issue?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist
Just a queston, Senator - had your party, and your President, gotten their way, Georgia would today be a member of NATO and we would be pledged to fight World War Three over them. Is this your idea of a GOOD foreign policy decision?
My guess is that Russia wouldn't attack Georgia if they had been NATO member.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 9:31:56 PM
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Hmmmm...Last I heard George W. Bush is still the President NOT McCain. Unless McCain has his own private military that we don't know about, he has NO authority to speak for the U.S. or to call the UN security council to convene. Nice rhetoric but sounds awfully arrogant and presumptuous to me.
Well then, why aren't you condeming NObama as well?
The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.
I welcome the visit of the French and Finnish foreign ministers to Georgia as a first step toward mediation. There should also be a United Nations mediator to address this crisis, and the United States should fully support this effort. We should also convene other international forums to condemn this aggression, to call for an immediate halt to the violence, and to review multilateral and bilateral arrangements with Russia - including Russia's interest in joining the World Trade Organization.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/13/2008 10:48:34 PM
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inther site,
Haven't you learned by now that Republicans are to be taken literally and their words distorted to mean things that have nothing to do with reality, but allowances need to be made for Democrats and we must somehow understand what it is that they are trying to say no matter how unrealistic it may sound.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/14/2008 4:41:48 AM
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inther site,
Haven't you learned by now that Republicans are to be taken literally and their words distorted to mean things that have nothing to do with reality, but allowances need to be made for Democrats and we must somehow understand what it is that they are trying to say no matter how unrealistic it may sound.
Like, a M. Hussein O. saying she's never been proud of her country means she hates America?
Like B. Hussein O. saying some Americans are bitter, means, he hates hard-working gun totting, bible believing Americans?
Like, when B. Hussein O. makes a gaffe like "57 states", that he really believes there are 57 states?
LIke when....oh nevermind.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/14/2008 8:44:30 AM
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Like, a M. Hussein O...
Are you confused?  Michelle's middle name is NOT Hussein.
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Like B. Hussein O. saying some Americans are bitter, means, he hates hard-working gun totting, bible believing Americans?
Like, when B. Hussein O. makes a gaffe like "57 states", that he really believes there are 57 states?
Yeah, kind of like McCain saying he didn't like America while he was a prisoner and like McCain equates Obama to Moses, and let me not get started on McBush's gaffes.
Why don't we just agree that McCain and Obama both hate America and are don't know how to think on their feet. 
If you hate Obama so much, don't vote for him.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/14/2008 8:54:12 AM
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If you hate Obama so much, don't vote for him.
Oh my goodness, I don't hate B. Hussein Obama, I am just amazed that with over 150 million demokrats in the good ole USA that they could not come up with one that could answer a question without a teleprompter.
The number of aaaahhhhs, and uuuhhmmms, and the amout of stumbling he does in answering a question is astounding or at least embarrassing.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/14/2008 8:57:39 AM
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If you hate Obama so much, don't vote for him.
Oh my goodness, I don't hate B. Hussein Obama, I am just amazed that with over 150 million demokrats in the good ole USA that they could not come up with one that could answer a question without a teleprompter.
The number of aaaahhhhs, and uuuhhmmms, and the amout of stumbling he does in answering a question is astounding or at least embarrassing.
Thsnks
RC
Nobody who has listened to the Republican Bush fumblemouth his way through the past eight years could possibly make that statement about Obama with anything other than with a face so straight as to be useful for surveying.
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RE: Meanwhile, back at the campaign... - 8/14/2008 9:01:59 AM
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Nobody who has listened to the Republican Bush fumblemouth his way through the past eight years could possibly make that statement about Obama with anything other than with a face so straight as to be useful for surveying.
Cute response, but does not negate the fact that B. Hussein Obama seems to be a few cards short of a deck by his inability to speak on his own.
Maybe it has something to do with affirmative action that he speaks so fondly of.
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