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Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/11/2008 10:00:45 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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This has been posted on several Native American sites concerning ongoing court cases and other issues involving Gov. Palin and Native Alaskans. I realize that what happens to Indians and Inuit means little if anything to most Americans, but it is important to us Native Americans. These are justice issues, and the Lord has always had quite a bit to say about how "the least of these" are treated. If one disregards the Lord's commandments, how can one call oneself christian? Gov. Palin has not shown any obedience to Christ nor love of her fellow man in her attitudes or actions towards Native Alaskans. Elected officials take an oath to uphold the law of the land, both the US Constitution as well as the constitution of their state. In her actions Gov. Palin has apparently decided that neither she nor the state of Alaska is obliged to abide by the US Constitution. Sarah Palin’s Record on Alaska Native and Tribal Issues 1. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Subsistence Fishing Perhaps no issue is of greater importance to Alaska Native peoples as the right to hunt and fish according to ancient customary and traditional practices, and to carry on the subsistence way of life for future generations. Governor Sarah Palin has consistently opposed those rights. Once in office, Governor Palin decided to continue litigation that seeks to overturn every subsistence fishing determination the federal government has ever made in Alaska. (State of Alaska v. Norton, 3:05-cv-0158-HRH (D. Ak).) In pressing this case, Palin decided against using the Attorney General (which usually handles State litigation) and instead continued contracting with Senator Ted Stevens’ brother-in-law’s law firm (Birch, Horton, Bittner & Cherot). The goal of Palin’s law suit is to invalidate all the subsistence fishing regulations the federal government has issued to date to protect Native fishing, and to force the courts instead to take over the roll of setting subsistence regulations. Palin’s law suit seeks to diminish subsistence fishing rights in order to expand sport and commercial fishing. In May 2007, the federal court rejected the State’s main challenge, holding that Congress in 1980 had expressly granted the U.S. Interior and Agriculture Departments the authority to regulate and protect Native and rural subsistence fishing activities in Alaska. (Decision entered May 15, 2007 (Dkt. No. 110).) EDITED TOS 8
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/11/2008 10:55:46 PM
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Jesus was not talking about eskimos or any other ethnic group when he was talking about the least of these as recorded by Matthew. Let's put the rest of this in plain language. 1. Eskimos should be able to kill more fish than non-Eskimos. 2. Eskimos should be able to slaughter more wildlife than non-Eskimos. 3. Eskimos should be able to make their own laws. 4. Eskimos should have hand-holders at voting booths. Maybe Gov. Palin thinks everyone should be treated the same.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/12/2008 1:42:23 AM
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First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. The proper term is Inuit. Not all Native Alaskans are Inuit. There are also Tlingits, Kwakiutl, Salish, and about 30 other groups.There are a total of 262 Native nations in Alaska. According to the treaties, Native Alaskans are permitted to hunt and fish for subsistance- that is to feed themselves. A lot of whites in Alaska do that too, but must receive a state permit. Native Alaskans hunt and fish primarily on their own lands and must report all fish and game taken to US Wildlife for accounting purposes. White Alaskans can only hunt in state-sanctioned areas and cannot take more than the state allots. Certain species- which have been hunted to below sustainable numbers on state lands- are illegal for non-Native Alaskans to hunt. Since Native Alaskans have not hunted these species out on their lands, they are allowed to continue hunting them. Native Alaskans, as part of treaty agreements are allowed to fish in waterways their people historically used, as payment for lands ceded to the state or federal government. They use traditional methods, not the more effective commercial methods, for these catches. NONE of the fish and game taken for subsistance may be sold commercially. Native commercial fishermen must abide by the same federal and state regulations as non-Native fishermen. Native Corporations which sell hunting permits for guided hunts by non-Native hunters on Native lands must abide by US Fish & Wildlife regulations just as non-Native outfits who lease federal lands for selling guided hunts must do. Native people are not the ones hunting animals to extinction or killing wantonly, so there is no "slaughter" involved. According to the United States Constitution, American Indians-and this includes Native Alaskans- are recognized by the United States Government as sovreign nations subject to federal oversight. This means we are not subject to state or local laws on our tribal lands. We ARE subject to all federal laws just like the state and local governments. Each tribe has a constitution- which has to be approved by Congress- and its system of governance, judiciary, and law enforcement, which again are all under jurisdiction of federal law. The Indian Child Welfare Reform Act of 1978 gives federally-recognized tribes jurisdiction over Native children born to tribal members whether on or off the reservation. This was to stop the practice of state and local social workers taking Native children as a common practice to destroy the Native culture by removing Native posterity(children). Most of the children were not taken for reason of abuse or neglect but simply because the parents were Indian. Think of how you would feel if your children were taken from you for no other reason than you are poor or because of your religious beliefs. DHHS in Alaska does not make the habit of removing non-native children permanently from their familes or cutting off all ties between children and their extended families as they have been doing with Native children,so there is a huge difference in how the state of Alaska treats whites and Natives. No state has the right to infringe upon another state, does it? Neither does a state have the right to infringe upon a federally-recognized Indian tribe. States DO have jurisdiction over state-recognized tribes, however. Because of the remoteness of many Native Communities in Alaska there are some of the oldest of elders who do not speak English. All of the younger generations(age 70 and under) DO speak English and have been asking the state for some of them to be trained as poll-workers to assist these elders by translating the ballots into Yupi'ik and reading the ballots for those who are illiterate. *Please take note that ALL voting sites in the US and its territories are REQUIRED by federal voting laws to provide interpretation of ballots for US citizens who are illiterate or blind or do not speak English and must have poll workers trained to provide this service.* So unless you have a problem with Billy Bob in Appalachia needing help at the polls because he went to work in the coal mines at age 6 and never learned to read, or your neighbor who needs help at the polls because she is blind, you shouldn't have problems with someone helping someone who lived in such a remote area that they never learned English by translating the ballot for them. It is obvious that you haven't taken any time to get to know Native people. You will find us to be gracious, generous, humble, and extremely respectful people. Think about how Jesus would treat Native people- shouldn't His followers do the same?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/12/2008 2:02:15 AM
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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. The proper term is Inuit. Not all Native Alaskans are Inuit. There are also Tlingits, Kwakiutl, Salish, and about 30 other groups.There are a total of 262 Native nations in Alaska. it doesn't appear that "eskimo" is considered a slur to everyone. http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/inuitoreskimo.html
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/12/2008 8:43:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman In sum, measured against some the rights that are most fundamental to Alaska Native Tribes – the subsistence way of life, tribal sovereignty and voting rights – Palin’s record is a failure. Gov. Palin's responsibility as Govenor is to uphold the Constitution and laws of the State of Alaska. Even if those laws do not suit some of the activist associated with the Native Tribes. Thanks RC
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/12/2008 10:42:52 PM
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RC, she is NOT upholding the Constitution- that is my point. Native people are human beings AND US citizens AND sovreign nations. Ferderal Law supercedes state laws, and federal laws are being ignored in ALaska by officials from the Gov's office on down. You should be concerned as to what happens to Native Americans for it could also happen to you. And why so much hatred for us? What have we ever done to you or your people... other than refusing to die out so you don't have to deal with us anymore? What do you think Jesus would say about all of this? Let me pass along a letter from the past chief of the Gwichiin. He has included his email so you can contact him yourself if you have questions or concerns. An Alaska Native Speaks on Palin, Oil and Alaska Evon Peter Sep 12, 2008 An Alaska Native speaks out on Palin, Oil, and Alaska By Evon Peter evonpeter@mac.com 9/8/2008 My name is Evon Peter; I am a former Chief of the Neetsaii Gwich'in tribe from Arctic Village, Alaska and the current Executive Director of Native Movement. My organization provides culturally based leadership development through offices in Alaska and Arizona. My wife, who is Navajo, and I have been based out of Flagstaff, Arizona for the past few years, although I travel home to Alaska in support of our initiatives there as well. It is interesting to me that my wife and I find ourselves as Indigenous people from the two states where McCain and Palin originate in their leadership. I am writing this letter to raise awareness about the ongoing colonization and violation of human rights being carried out against Alaska Native peoples in the name of unsustainable progress, with a particular emphasis on the role of Sarah Palin and the Republican leadership. My hope is that it helps to elevate truth about the nature of Alaskan politics in relation to Alaska Native peoples and that it lays a framework for our path to justice. EDITED TOS 8 *This essay is a personal reflection and should not be attributed to my tribe or organization.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/12/2008 11:50:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. The proper term is Inuit. Not all Native Alaskans are Inuit... How about if we just say 'non-dog eaters from very cold places'? Whatever you name them, they are not a race, but an ethnic group. So get your threats right and report me for an ethnic slur, not a racial one. Now how about we welcome them to this place called America, where the number of fish you can net, polar bears you can shoot or whales you can slaughter isn't based on where your ancestors were born. And you don't get special voter assistance and everyone obeys the same laws.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/13/2008 8:52:35 PM
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PaleHawkWoman; I am not familiar with the cases you cite so I will not assume to know exactly what is going on. But from reading your post I can see two things: 1-You are definitely personally involved with this issue and may be a little biased as to what is actually going on. I've come to this conclusion mainly by the language used in your posts. Mainly the repeated use of the words Palin has attacked ... Very hostile wording. 2-By your own admission you state that she is continuing the efforts of the previous governor, if I have read this right. So I would hardly see this as Palin attacking native Alaskans. As to any lawsuit there are always two sides and all we are hearing is yours. From what you state so far the federal government has backed your side and therefor you probably have valid arguments. But for whatever reason the previous governor started these lawsuits and Palin saw enough to persuade her to continue the fight. I would be interested in hearing the other side of the story.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/13/2008 9:25:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: ljmac quote:
ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. The proper term is Inuit. Not all Native Alaskans are Inuit... How about if we just say 'non-dog eaters from very cold places'? Whatever you name them, they are not a race, but an ethnic group. So get your threats right and report me for an ethnic slur, not a racial one. LOL! Seriously? quote:
Now how about we welcome them to this place called America, where the number of fish you can net, polar bears you can shoot or whales you can slaughter isn't based on where your ancestors were born. And you don't get special voter assistance and everyone obeys the same laws. Wow. I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to this. Howsabout I steal your house one day while you're at work? You come home at 6:00 one day to find me sitting on your couch, cuddling with your wife, helping your kids with their homework and I say to you, "Welcome to my house." Wouldn't you find that just a bit... not right? -Dan.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/13/2008 11:21:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. While reporting someone to the moderator, please report yourself for breaking the TOS because posting entire articles is prohibited. You have done that multiple times in this thread alone.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 12:00:51 AM
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Palehawkwoman--considering how "Christians" have treated native people throughout history, it is amazing that you would come to this forum at all. It is clear that Sarah Palin is not concerned about justice for native peoples, and neither are most "conservative christians." Your concerns are hardly extreme and deserve to be heard.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 3:00:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: ljmac quote:
ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. The proper term is Inuit. Not all Native Alaskans are Inuit... How about if we just say 'non-dog eaters from very cold places'? Whatever you name them, they are not a race, but an ethnic group. So get your threats right and report me for an ethnic slur, not a racial one. LOL! Seriously? quote:
Now how about we welcome them to this place called America, where the number of fish you can net, polar bears you can shoot or whales you can slaughter isn't based on where your ancestors were born. And you don't get special voter assistance and everyone obeys the same laws. Wow. I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to this. Howsabout I steal your house one day while you're at work? You come home at 6:00 one day to find me sitting on your couch, cuddling with your wife, helping your kids with their homework and I say to you, "Welcome to my house." Wouldn't you find that just a bit... not right? -Dan. Will I get to kill a polar bear if you do?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 5:21:12 AM
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Now how about we welcome them to this place called America, where the number of fish you can net, polar bears you can shoot or whales you can slaughter isn't based on where your ancestors were born. And you don't get special voter assistance and everyone obeys the same laws. Podnuh, you gotta lot of hard bark on you.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 5:30:51 AM
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I can't hunt deer on my own land without a licence. This is a very one sided arguement with assumptions made on what the other side of these issues think. Do "native Alaskans" ( which there truly never was ) need substinence hunting and fishing? When my ancestors came to america, they hunted and fished. Eventually they created a society and livlihoods changed. Are you saying "native alaskans" all exist on hunting and fishing? If even a majority of them do then I think something has failed here. There are not too many native people's in western society who live like this.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 7:35:49 AM
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It's about keeping our word, and respecting the treaties that we have made. You can't hunt in your yard, but you are not a sovereign nation. Just as we Euro-Americans don't want the UN telling us what we can/cannot do, first nations do not want to be interfered with by the federal or state governments of this country. This is a clear-cut justice issue. It's ok to still support Palin if you want (I think Obama is just as bad, actually), but to pretend that we are treating people who we nearly wiped out justly is a joke.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 9:41:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: PhunkD It's about keeping our word, and respecting the treaties that we have made. You can't hunt in your yard, but you are not a sovereign nation. Just as we Euro-Americans don't want the UN telling us what we can/cannot do, first nations do not want to be interfered with by the federal or state governments of this country. This is a clear-cut justice issue. It's ok to still support Palin if you want (I think Obama is just as bad, actually), but to pretend that we are treating people who we nearly wiped out justly is a joke. Euro-Americans? You're a slave to political correctess. I am an American and so are those non-dog eaters from Alaska. By the way, justice is when everyone plays by the same rules.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 6:38:06 PM
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Or equal treatment under law. Beautiful idea. Just wish we could bat a 1000 with it.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 7:46:36 PM
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taking children away from their homes and getting the most enormous amount in earmarks for her state.. im not a bit surprised. even the devil appears as an angel of light, we're told.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/14/2008 9:58:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dragonnie taking children away from their homes and getting the most enormous amount in earmarks for her state.. im not a bit surprised. even the devil appears as an angel of light, we're told. Are you calling Palin the devil because of an essay floating on the web and isn't backed up by a newspaper article? That's rich. I guess people do not lie or tell tall tales and Larry Sinclair is another such person. Here is his video and he will submit to a polygraph test to prove that Obama is a gay crack addict. He wouldn't make this up would he? Obama Youtube LINK The point is not everything in black and white and posted on blogs is the truth.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/15/2008 12:20:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: Dragonnie taking children away from their homes and getting the most enormous amount in earmarks for her state.. im not a bit surprised. even the devil appears as an angel of light, we're told. You mean she's trying to find families for eskimo orphans even if they're not eskimo families. That's called kindness. It is plain bigotry to insist that an orphan remain without a family because the people who love her are not the same ethnic or racial group.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/15/2008 9:48:28 AM
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PHW, Thanks again for the info. How you treat the least is very important, but you have to remember that the people that you are talking to now are the decendents of those that SLAUGHTERED the Natives in the first place. Alot has been done in Christ's NAME. He will tell MANY of them I never knew you! The taking of the children? Wow. Do not Natives have laws about that? I know African Americans fought not to have Whites be able to adopt them. With almost the extinction of some Tribes that should be the LAW.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/15/2008 10:24:55 AM
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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman RC, she is NOT upholding the Constitution- that is my point. Native people are human beings AND US citizens AND sovreign nations. Ferderal Law supercedes state laws, and federal laws are being ignored in ALaska by officials from the Gov's office on down. Living in Oklahoma I am quite aware of Native American Nations within the USA. And like it or lump it the tribes do not get to do what they waqnt outside of the law. They as all of us are juat a part of the countries citizenry. They do have a reasonable abount of automony within their tribal lands, but cannot demand that the state jumps every time they say frog. Thanks RC
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/15/2008 10:42:22 AM
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PHW, Thanks again for the info. How you treat the least is very important, but you have to remember that the people that you are talking to now are the decendents of those that SLAUGHTERED the Natives in the first place. Alot has been done in Christ's NAME. He will tell MANY of them I never knew you! The taking of the children? Wow. Do not Natives have laws about that? I know African Americans fought not to have Whites be able to adopt them. With almost the extinction of some Tribes that should be the LAW. This is the kind of absurdity that basically makes such conversations almost worthless. None of my ancestors 'slaughtered' Native Americans - in fact, some of my ancestors were Native Americans. Asuming everyone to whom one speaks is the enemy because they don't happens to have a certain skin color or origin as you do is as bad as any other racist statement. And adoptions which limit adoptees to a certain race often do nothing but prolong the period in which children are without homes. Apparently some would prefer a child in an orphanage or under state care than in the home of an 'evil' white person. So much for MLK's dream that we would disregard skin color.
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