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Sink the Navy and God too - 7/8/2008 11:10:45 PM
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ljmac
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The enemies of the US Military and God too are at it again. No, not al queda. Not a wild eyed Muslim. Not a suicide bomber. Not a Sunni with his sword aimed at your neck. No, these attackers are real zealots.
The deviant organization known as the ACLU is trying to force the US Naval academy to banish optional noon time prayers. The lefties can't tolerate His name and are determined to drive Him out.
prayer makes them hysterical
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/8/2008 11:30:21 PM
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From the context of the article, I'm a little unclear, and also I've never been to Annapolis, so I don't know the procedure. But if there is a single prayer and it is a Christian one, they might have something to go on here. And no one has actually demaned banning prayer itself.
More to the point, while I'm impressed by the leftists' apparent ability to provoke you into sarcastic rage, I'm really not sure this is as big a deal as you make it out to be. Prayer is something that is between us and our God. It need not be a public performance. Indeed, Jesus suggests in Matthew 6, it ought not to be.
The military is an organization of the state, not an organization of Christ's kingdom. This does not mean the people in the military aren't honorable, or not Christian (a lot of the ones I've met are actually both), but the two institutions should not be confused.
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/9/2008 8:28:01 AM
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rlj
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At first I thought he was talking about this guy but when I re-read the article he was army not marine so my mistake:
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KANSAS CITY, Kansas (CNN) -- Army Spc. Jeremy Hall was raised Baptist.
Like many Christians, he said grace before dinner and read the Bible before bed. Four years ago when he was deployed to Iraq, he packed his Bible so he would feel closer to God.
He served two tours of duty in Iraq and has a near perfect record. But somewhere between the tours, something changed. Hall, now 23, said he no longer believes in God, fate, luck or anything supernatural.
Hall said he met some atheists who suggested he read the Bible again. After doing so, he said he had so many unanswered questions that he decided to become an atheist.
His sudden lack of faith, he said, cost him his military career and put his life at risk. Hall said his life was threatened by other troops and the military assigned a full-time bodyguard to protect him out of fear for his safety.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/9/2008 9:47:20 AM
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"but that some who are atheists have expressed their disdain at having to stand still and listen while others are praying out loud." (Quote from article in OP)
Watching the news I've had to listen to others professing ideologies I disdain too! Will the ACLU ban the news too?
These whiny babies probably feel disdain every time they pass a church. IOW, they must feel that constantly. If they were forced to say it then they might have a case. But the ACLU only comes up with "peer pressure". If that is the case then they must not have very strong atheistic convictions or their consciences are bothering them.
If these people want theistic people to respect them for what they don't believe then maybe they should show a little respect for those that do.
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/9/2008 9:56:28 AM
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I get the impression that while we can have a fit over someone trying to pressure us into doing something we don't agree with, or at the least feel uncomfortable with, it's not alright if the other "side" does that. Right? OK. Since everyone can take time for a prelunch, sit-down prayer without putting undue pressure on any unbeliever anyway, what's your problem? The USN might disappear? Do you really think that the ACLU can force God out of, or away from, the Navy, or any place else? Your God must be a sawed off little runt if that's true. I don't think that the creator of the universe will have a problem infiltrating the US naval academy if some peer pressure is stopped.
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/9/2008 10:02:29 AM
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fiat_lux
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Watching the news I've had to listen to others professing ideologies I disdain too! Will the ACLU ban the news too?
There are specific legal issues surrounding religious ideologies in government settings. Unless you're watching a government news channel, which I somewhat doubt, the point is moot. In the meantime, I suppose you could always turn off your television set.
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/9/2008 10:04:26 AM
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Hmm. While I see the point about peer pressure, I must note that if peer pressure due to decisions not to participate is a sufficient reason to stop voluntary practices in a government institution, then logically it is not enough to allow kids to "opt out" of sex education and the teaching of evolution in public schools. After all, if grown adults in the navy are that susceptible to peer pressure, how much more so are junior high and high school minors? What about the peer pressure they will experience if they choose to opt out of those programs? If we must ban things simply because choosing the opt-out option might make someone uncomfortable and the target of peer pressure (real or imagined), then we must ban those programs too.
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RE: Sink the Navy and God too - 7/9/2008 10:16:45 AM
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I don't know what the big deal is.
It's optional.
No one is forcing them to say "prayers" with those who do.
Peer pressure sounds like a stretch to me.
When I was in college I enrolled in Army ROTC and a lot of the cadets were Christian (I was an atheist at the time) and I didn't get offended at their Bible study meetings.
It was optional, not mandatory and I didn't feel like I was ostracized for not attending.
I'm with mapachito here, they probably find offense when anyone believes in God or that there are churches.
There are some people out there like this, the fact there is a presence and people believe in God is like a thorn in their side.
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