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Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/1/2008 8:27:27 PM
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raspberry331
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/waiting.room.death/index.html
This is a disgrace. I hope all those that saw that poor woman lying on the ground are fired.This should of never happened. Thank goodness it was caught on tape,we might of never knew what really happened to her.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/1/2008 11:19:34 PM
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This is awful. How is it that no one went to help her or to see if she was ok? Unbelievable.
I had a horrible experience once at my local hospital. When my son was 10 mos. old he had a very high fever. I rushed him to the emergency room in a panic. By the time I got there he was unresponsive, his eyes were rolled back in his head, and he was not making a sound.
Needless to say I was freaking out! Anyway, in the end, regardless of my desperate pleas to have him seen right away, I ended up waiting almost an hour, crying the whole time thinking I was about to lose my baby right there.
By the time they took him his fever had reached almost 105. They gave him motrin and left me in the room for long periods of time without ever coming to check on him. Many other things happened that they did not take care of but for the sake of not ranting about it forever I will not get into all of it.
After being at the hospital for 8 hours they eventually just told me they had no idea what had caused the fever and maybe I should make him a doctor's appointment soon. I did and got him to his pediatrician the next morning at 9 am. Ended up being an ear infection.
The night at the hospital I informed the doctors that he was prone to ear infections and that those were the only other times he had ever had a fever, but it had never been that bad. Three different doctors looked in his ears that night and told me he did not have one.
I would say the biggest issue I had though was the waiting in the waiting room for so long. There was no one going ahead of me in dire need of treatment. A man with a sprained ankle, a woman taking her child for a runny nose and stuffiness, and others who I did not have the mind to pay attention to, but who walked into the ER on their own two feet so how bad could it be.
Not one of them offered for the hospital to take my baby ahead of them. Not even the other mother whos son was fine. That is what I cannot get over. They all simply ignored me and my son.
Anyway, I never expect the folks monitoring the waiting rooms to actually care anymore. I think I would fall over in shock if ever I saw one that did.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 1:13:27 AM
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So very disgusting...
I never cease to be disgusted and horrified at the calleousness and cruelty of sinful man.
And who suffers most? The most vulnerable...the unborn, the disabled, the mentally ill, the "least of these"...
And we, as Christians, continue to walk by on the other side...it is so obvious by the lack of posts on this 
Oh, dear God, have mercy on us and give us your heart, please...
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 1:59:48 AM
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That is so sad. But what makes it worse in my eyes is that they falsified the records. Lied about her getting up and moving. It's hard in that environment to tell who is genuinely ill and who is "acting up" But regardless she she should have been more thoroughly checked (vital signs not a nudge with a foot) and when they discovered that they had let her down in the worst possible way they should have owned up to their failings and learnt the harsh lessons from it.
That poor woman. My heart goes out to her and her loved ones.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 9:10:47 AM
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Sophie11
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That is so sad. But what makes it worse in my eyes is that they falsified the records. Lied about her getting up and moving.
Makes you wonder how often this has occured and no one knows about it.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 11:34:17 AM
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It's a scary thought.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 12:03:44 PM
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"Coming soon to a hospital near you!" - Brought to you by advocates for Socialized National Healthcare...
Seriously dont people realize that things like this will get WORSE if we go to a National Free Healthcare system? Other countries that have such a system show that the waiting lines for normal hospital visits/surgeries are YEARS long. This leads to people trying to go the Emergency Room to get a doctor to look at them, and that means that the lines at the E-room will GROW. After all, E-Rooms HAVE to treat anyone that comes through the doors. (Please note that is not a bad thing IMHO). What we need is PRIVATIZED healthcare. We need doctors opening THEIR doors to get most of the patients, THEN the E-Rooms wont be full of non-emergency cases, and the REAL emergencies can be taken care of!
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 12:13:21 PM
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raspberry331
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So,Stephanos,are you justifying this case?
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 12:28:23 PM
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Stephanos
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So,Stephanos,are you justifying this case?
Not at all. I am saying it is reprehensible BECAUSE of the modern health care practices and movements. I am stating that this is only the beginning if we keep walking down the road towards Nationalized Health care. We need to get back to privatization. We need to stop suing our Doctors into retirement and career changes for simple mistakes (note not a reference to this case). If we do that, we will have MORE doctors in the PRIVATE sector. More doctors meaning more competition, meaning lower prices. This means that people with non-emergency medical problems can afford and have the time to go to normal doctors, leaving the Emergency Rooms Free to treat REAL emergencies, like the case of this woman.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 12:37:59 PM
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Back in the "bad old days," prior to the wonderful HMO idea that Ted Kennedy and his ilk came up with, if you were sick, you went to your family doctor or asked him to make a house call. What a horrible old fashioned concept.  You paid a nominal fee and everyone was treated. Hospital emergency rooms were used for real emergencies.
Now, with our "enlightened" health care (HMO), Medicaid, Medicare, etc., many doctors are refusing to see some of those patients because Medicaid, et al don't pay what the doctors charge. Doctors fees are so high, at least in part, because of the high insurance premiums for malpractice. Everybody wants to sue those rich doctors, don't you know.
So, patients are now going to hospital emergency rooms where they can't be turned away. I know some, who go to the emergency room whenever they get sniffles, or cough, or other minor things. Doctors and nurses at these facilities are overworked, pulling 12 hour shifts and even longer.
I can somewhat see how this tragedy could have happened, but I can't excuse any of those people for their actions (or lack thereof). It is truly a sad state of affairs.
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"Coming soon to a hospital near you!" - Brought to you by advocates for Socialized National Healthcare...
Seriously dont people realize that things like this will get WORSE if we go to a National Free Healthcare system? Other countries that have such a system show that the waiting lines for normal hospital visits/surgeries are YEARS long. This leads to people trying to go the Emergency Room to get a doctor to look at them, and that means that the lines at the E-room will GROW. After all, E-Rooms HAVE to treat anyone that comes through the doors. (Please note that is not a bad thing IMHO). What we need is PRIVATIZED healthcare. We need doctors opening THEIR doors to get most of the patients, THEN the E-Rooms wont be full of non-emergency cases, and the REAL emergencies can be taken care of!
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 2:36:18 PM
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I watched this yesterday. It is sad that our health care system is in such bad shape. People use to care about others, not anymore.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 2:52:40 PM
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Back in the "bad old days," prior to the wonderful HMO idea that Ted Kennedy and his ilk came up with, if you were sick, you went to your family doctor or asked him to make a house call. What a horrible old fashioned concept. You paid a nominal fee and everyone was treated. Hospital emergency rooms were used for real emergencies.
Now, with our "enlightened" health care (HMO), Medicaid, Medicare, etc., many doctors are refusing to see some of those patients because Medicaid, et al don't pay what the doctors charge. Doctors fees are so high, at least in part, because of the high insurance premiums for malpractice. Everybody wants to sue those rich doctors, don't you know.
So, patients are now going to hospital emergency rooms where they can't be turned away. I know some, who go to the emergency room whenever they get sniffles, or cough, or other minor things. Doctors and nurses at these facilities are overworked, pulling 12 hour shifts and even longer.
I can somewhat see how this tragedy could have happened, but I can't excuse any of those people for their actions (or lack thereof). It is truly a sad state of affairs.
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
"Coming soon to a hospital near you!" - Brought to you by advocates for Socialized National Healthcare...
Seriously dont people realize that things like this will get WORSE if we go to a National Free Healthcare system? Other countries that have such a system show that the waiting lines for normal hospital visits/surgeries are YEARS long. This leads to people trying to go the Emergency Room to get a doctor to look at them, and that means that the lines at the E-room will GROW. After all, E-Rooms HAVE to treat anyone that comes through the doors. (Please note that is not a bad thing IMHO). What we need is PRIVATIZED healthcare. We need doctors opening THEIR doors to get most of the patients, THEN the E-Rooms wont be full of non-emergency cases, and the REAL emergencies can be taken care of!
Right now people go to emergency rooms for the common cold because that's the only place they can receive health care. They are not paying a dime so the hospital has to absorb the cost as well as treat these people in between the real emergencies taking up the hospital's space and the doctors and nurses time.
If everyone had health insurance, these people with non-emergency health problems would be in a doctor's office, not an ER. Is it starting to make sense now?
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 3:02:34 PM
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Right now people go to emergency rooms for the common cold because that's the only place they can receive health care. They are not paying a dime so the hospital has to absorb the cost as well as treat these people in between the real emergencies taking up the hospital's space and the doctors and nurses time.
If everyone had health insurance, these people with non-emergency health problems would be in a doctor's office, not an ER. Is it starting to make sense now?
Wouldn't that just make doctor's offices just as crowded?
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 4:13:45 PM
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Especially since some hospitals are closing because they can't make ends meet. Can we say "undocumented immigrants?"
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Right now people go to emergency rooms for the common cold because that's the only place they can receive health care. They are not paying a dime so the hospital has to absorb the cost as well as treat these people in between the real emergencies taking up the hospital's space and the doctors and nurses time.
If everyone had health insurance, these people with non-emergency health problems would be in a doctor's office, not an ER. Is it starting to make sense now?
Wouldn't that just make doctor's offices just as crowded?
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
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The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 4:53:04 PM
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"Coming soon to a hospital near you!" - Brought to you by advocates for Socialized National Healthcare...
Seriously dont people realize that things like this will get WORSE if we go to a National Free Healthcare system? Other countries that have such a system show that the waiting lines for normal hospital visits/surgeries are YEARS long. This leads to people trying to go the Emergency Room to get a doctor to look at them, and that means that the lines at the E-room will GROW. After all, E-Rooms HAVE to treat anyone that comes through the doors. (Please note that is not a bad thing IMHO). What we need is PRIVATIZED healthcare. We need doctors opening THEIR doors to get most of the patients, THEN the E-Rooms wont be full of non-emergency cases, and the REAL emergencies can be taken care of!
That's a great idea, but you still have the problem of the insurance companies. I work for a hospital, and unfortunately, I can tell you that the insurance companies call ALL the shots in the health care world. Because they hold the money.
That's why privatized health care won't work.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/2/2008 4:59:37 PM
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Especially since some hospitals are closing because they can't make ends meet. Can we say "undocumented immigrants?"
-Dave
Its more than just undocumented immigrants (though that is a big problem). The insurance and medicare systems are TOTALLY out of wack in this country. Medicare recently cut its reimbursements to hospitals, significantly. As a result of that alone, the hospital I work for will lose $45 million dollars, this year, compared to last (unless Congress steps up and keeps this from happening).
Insurance/Medicare dollars is one of the main reasons why people are denied care from hospitals in this country. They're a major factor (and often the MAIN factor) for determining if a patient can receive certain procedures for diagnosis and treatment of diseases.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/3/2008 7:51:54 AM
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Who is the person sitting on the chair in the corner while the woman lay dead on the floor? If you were in the room with her, wouldn't you be screaming at the people who worked there to help her?
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/3/2008 8:06:54 AM
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lexie I did think about that but it occured to me that they may be mentally unstable and unaware of the significance of events. Given the nature of the institution.
I have grown up with free healthcare (NHS) And yes funding is always an issue and yes mistakes are made but generally my experience has been a good one. I cannot imagine where the money would come from to pay for private insurance. eek.
In the UK you can choose to go private and it is meant to be very good.(we have sometimes considered it but our son has a disability and his treatment would be very costly)
However....wether an institution is private or public under funded or full of cash I don't think it makes a difference in the integrity of the workers. I may be wrong of course.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/3/2008 8:51:40 AM
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You're absolutely right about insurance and Medicare. It all needs to be fixed, but I can't get behind the push for socialized medicine.
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Especially since some hospitals are closing because they can't make ends meet. Can we say "undocumented immigrants?"
-Dave
Its more than just undocumented immigrants (though that is a big problem). The insurance and medicare systems are TOTALLY out of wack in this country. Medicare recently cut its reimbursements to hospitals, significantly. As a result of that alone, the hospital I work for will lose $45 million dollars, this year, compared to last (unless Congress steps up and keeps this from happening).
Insurance/Medicare dollars is one of the main reasons why people are denied care from hospitals in this country. They're a major factor (and often the MAIN factor) for determining if a patient can receive certain procedures for diagnosis and treatment of diseases.
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The light of God surrounds me,
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/4/2008 6:49:32 AM
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lexie
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However....wether an institution is private or public under funded or full of cash I don't think it makes a difference in the integrity of the workers. I may be wrong of course.
I agree, this certainly isn't an argument against socialised medical care (or for it). What needs to be looked at is why the workers behaved the way they did. Who knows what the underlying reason is, but falsifying records definitely has nothing to do with what sort of system the hospital is under.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/6/2008 4:18:45 AM
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I agree with Lexie. This wasn't at all about whether or not we should have socialized medicine, or even about emergency rooms. This was a waiting room in a mental health facility, not a general hospital. And it didn't look to be busy, either. The article said that 6 people got suspended or fired. I wondered when I read it if those firings were PR motivated and if the workers had not been publically caught, but caught internally, the higher-ups would have not even reprimanded the workers. Maybe I'm just too cynical about things like that.
BTW, I don't think firing the employees was enough of a punishment for them. This is gross neglect and IMO, criminal charges should have been filed.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/6/2008 11:42:46 AM
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I totally agree with Lexie and Annie. Firing the employess cetainly wasn't enough,they'll just go out and get another job at another hospital.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/7/2008 6:10:36 PM
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"Coming soon to a hospital near you!" - Brought to you by advocates for Socialized National Healthcare...
Hate to break the news, but this is the result of the free marketing of healthcare. Psychiatric patients get the lowest level of care and attention because they generate the least revenue. The most ill, if they have insurance, have medicare or medicaid.
To be clear, socialized medicine won't fix this problem anymore than the current system. Conservatives would rather march in the streets to oppose two guys living together than deal with it. Liberals will cry streams and maybe do a wine-and cheese fundraiser, if it doesn't conflict with the adopt-a-doggie sweater-knitting campaign.
Rant over. You may return to normal duties, now.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/7/2008 9:53:32 PM
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Decadence, sickening, uncaring, unloving, prideful, hateful, selfish and above all that is evil...is what this world is steadily becoming, as it is Written and already is, even as the DAY approaches.
To watch this woman's death or any other death as a human being and not have the ability to feel anything is...nothing but satan's work. It goes against everything that is of God and heaven. It is everything opposite of what is good, pure and holy. And to watch the people of this world sway more toward this evil...is the saddest thing...ever........
Like another poster has said, Lord have mercy and I pray that the longsuffering YOU bestow extends just a little while longer so that souls can be snatched from the fire to the glory of our heavenly Father, in Jesus name, amen!
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/7/2008 10:52:07 PM
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Right now people go to emergency rooms for the common cold because that's the only place they can receive health care. They are not paying a dime so the hospital has to absorb the cost as well as treat these people in between the real emergencies taking up the hospital's space and the doctors and nurses time.
If everyone had health insurance, these people with non-emergency health problems would be in a doctor's office, not an ER. Is it starting to make sense now?
Wouldn't that just make doctor's offices just as crowded?
Darned if we do, darned if we don't! 
Yes. But emergency rooms will be free to handle EMERGENCIES! See the logic now?
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