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The Holy Ghost - 9/7/2007 4:06:57 PM
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Carb
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Can we go the Heaven without having the Holy Ghost? If yes where is it in the Bible and if No where is it in the Bible?
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/7/2007 4:29:05 PM
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No...
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/7/2007 4:54:53 PM
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Moving this from FaithWalk to Salvation Issues.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/7/2007 5:50:27 PM
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Some of the most important verses in the Bible are these because they give the requirements for salvation:"3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." JOHN 3:3-9
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/7/2007 6:10:24 PM
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I think I am going to start a thread on everyone's feelings on the term "Holy Ghost".
"Ghost" and "Spirit" conjure up two different images in my mind, and the latter is the one I think of as the part of the Trinity.
Just a simple fool's preference, that's all.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/7/2007 6:36:11 PM
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I think I am going to start a thread on everyone's feelings on the term "Holy Ghost".
"Ghost" and "Spirit" conjure up two different images in my mind, and the latter is the one I think of as the part of the Trinity.
Just a simple fool's preference, that's all.
I remember years ago that someone from one of the Pentecostal groups told me that Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost had two different meanings and were worded that way for a purpose. I didn't know any Greek then but I was pretty sure they were both translated from the same Greek words.
Now that I know better, I realize it is true that there is no doctrinal difference in the terms, that they come from the same Greek term.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/8/2007 12:01:55 AM
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Can we go the Heaven without having the Holy Ghost? If yes where is it in the Bible and if No where is it in the Bible?
"You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you." (Rom 8:9-11)
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/11/2007 10:33:41 PM
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I have to ask: what do you mean by "having the Holy Ghost"? There are many interpretations of this.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/12/2007 4:06:26 PM
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the Holy Sprit came to me the day while sitting in church the other day told me to pray for my friends 12 year old daughter that witnesses to a lot of her family members
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/28/2007 10:10:29 AM
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I want to ask, what is the evidence or what should be evident, to know that you have the Holy Ghost? Is it the speaking in other tongues only? What is its manifestation?
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 9/28/2007 10:32:15 AM
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mariadreamer
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I think the evidence would be the fruit of the Spirit as described in the pages of the Bible.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 10/24/2007 2:31:17 PM
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I want to ask, what is the evidence or what should be evident, to know that you have the Holy Ghost? Is it the speaking in other tongues only? What is its manifestation?
Read Acts 10:44-46. First read 44-45 and then ask yourself how could he have known that they had the Holy Ghost. Verse 46 will answer your question. If more biblical proof is needed, just let me know!
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 10/24/2007 2:41:13 PM
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I want to ask, what is the evidence or what should be evident, to know that you have the Holy Ghost? Is it the speaking in other tongues only? What is its manifestation?
Read Acts 10:44-46. First read 44-45 and then ask yourself how could he have known that they had the Holy Ghost. Verse 46 will answer your question. If more biblical proof is needed, just let me know!
According to Paul, not everyone speaks in tongues, not everyone has any specific spiritual gift. Each is given gift(s) according to the need of the local church and according to the sovereign will of the Holy Spirit. To claim otherwise is to rebuke the apostle Paul's inspired writings.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 10/24/2007 4:06:34 PM
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 10/24/2007 8:59:11 PM
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right and in fact Holy Spirit should be preferred over Holy Ghost. "pneuma" doesn't mean ghost - it is spirit (among a couple other words, but not ghost).
I like Spirit better because it aligns better with our spirit - ghost is too spooky and conjures up wierd ideas. I think it is a King James anachronism or other.
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ORIGINAL: Doghouse
I think I am going to start a thread on everyone's feelings on the term "Holy Ghost".
"Ghost" and "Spirit" conjure up two different images in my mind, and the latter is the one I think of as the part of the Trinity.
Just a simple fool's preference, that's all.
I remember years ago that someone from one of the Pentecostal groups told me that Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost had two different meanings and were worded that way for a purpose. I didn't know any Greek then but I was pretty sure they were both translated from the same Greek words.
Now that I know better, I realize it is true that there is no doctrinal difference in the terms, that they come from the same Greek term.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 3/25/2008 3:43:39 AM
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The indwelling of the Holy Spirit (when it first happened) is discussed in the book of Acts.
Jesus died on the cross and arose on the third day. The last day while he was walking on the earth he told his disciples to "wait here" for something. They were to wait for the Holy Spirit to come upon them and dwell within them (but they didn't know that) after he was gone.
It happened while they were at a gathering while celebrating Pentecost. This is very important.
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit had never happened until this time. And we can have it today as christians.
Isn't that amazing and wonderful!!? 
There is a Bible study book you can get called "The Acts 1:8 Challenge". It clearly explains what happened that day when the Holy Spirit came upon the people. It helped me alot in understanding the Holy Spirit.
It is an incredible story to take the time to comprehend. What a GIFT we have!!!!!
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 3/29/2008 6:39:12 PM
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I dont really understand why some people believe in the indwelling of the Spirit and then the baptism, can someone please shoe me why they believe this based with scripture?
The OP ----- John 3:5 birth of water and of Spirit to enter into heaven
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 3/30/2008 6:42:18 PM
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I dont really understand why some people believe in the indwelling of the Spirit and then the baptism, can someone please shoe me why they believe this based with scripture?
The OP ----- John 3:5 birth of water and of Spirit to enter into heaven
abu:
In John 3:5 Christ says that we must be born of water and of the Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God. This is speaking of the New Birth, but there are four interpretations to what is meant by "water":
1. The water of baptism (believed by Catholics and Church of Christ)
2. Water as symbolic of the Holy Spirit (which is true in Scripture but may be reduntant here, but could also be valid)
3. The water of the amniotic fluid (natural childbirth) which would make no sense whatsoever, since all sinners are born through natural childbirth.
4. Water as symbolic of the Word of God, and more specifically the Gospel. This would be the most valid interpretation, since without the preaching of the Gospel and the believing thereof, there can be no salvation (Rom. 10:8-21).
It is not "the indwelling" of the Holy Spirit that is in view, but rather "the gift of the Holy Ghost" to those who believe the Gospel (Acts 2:38). The moment the Holy Spirit is given, He (God the Holy Spirit) regenerates the sinner who believes (Tit. 3:4-7). This is called "the washing of regeneration", and is the same as the New Birth.
Does the gift of the Holy Ghost precede water baptism? Absolutely. Study Acts 10:44-48.
I have referenced the Scriptures. You will need to spend the time in studying them.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 3/30/2008 9:19:59 PM
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John 15:26-"But when the Holy Spirit[is the God of Conviction]comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me; 27 and you also are witnesses, because you have been with me from the beginning."
Even the unrepentant soul can be convinced Jesus is what he claims to be in unbelief but without the urging of the Spirit he can't avail himself of the richness of Christ's sacrifice, obedience and Victory.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 4/2/2008 2:38:49 PM
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Thanks for your reply Ezra,
I do agree that people can receive the Holy Spirit before baptism as shown in Acts 10, and I also believe that people can be baptized before they receive the Holy Spirit, as according to Acts 8 and acts 19. I have heard many different interpretations of these instances, such as the baptism that was given to the people in acts 8 and acts 19 were not valid baptisms, because baptism is only valid if it occurs after the spirit, or after salvation. I do not agree with this interpretation because I dont believe that Philip or Paul would have baptized people at the inappropriate time. And if they did, surely someone would have corrected them; this would especially had been the case in acts 8 after Peter came down to pray for them, that they might receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and yet, he stayed silent. There is also no record of people being baptized immediately after Peter had come down, and it is evident that in the first church, baptism was something that was done immediately after conversion. Do you agree Ezra?
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ORIGINAL: abu_khomar
I dont really understand why some people believe in the indwelling of the Spirit and then the baptism, can someone please shoe me why they believe this based with scripture?
The OP ----- John 3:5 birth of water and of Spirit to enter into heaven
abu:
In John 3:5 Christ says that we must be born of water and of the Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God. This is speaking of the New Birth, but there are four interpretations to what is meant by "water":
1. The water of baptism (believed by Catholics and Church of Christ)
2. Water as symbolic of the Holy Spirit (which is true in Scripture but may be reduntant here, but could also be valid)
3. The water of the amniotic fluid (natural childbirth) which would make no sense whatsoever, since all sinners are born through natural childbirth.
4. Water as symbolic of the Word of God, and more specifically the Gospel. This would be the most valid interpretation, since without the preaching of the Gospel and the believing thereof, there can be no salvation (Rom. 10:8-21).
It is not "the indwelling" of the Holy Spirit that is in view, but rather "the gift of the Holy Ghost" to those who believe the Gospel (Acts 2:38). The moment the Holy Spirit is given, He (God the Holy Spirit) regenerates the sinner who believes (Tit. 3:4-7). This is called "the washing of regeneration", and is the same as the New Birth.
Does the gift of the Holy Ghost precede water baptism? Absolutely. Study Acts 10:44-48.
I have referenced the Scriptures. You will need to spend the time in studying them.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 4/18/2008 7:52:34 PM
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Can we go the Heaven without having the Holy Ghost? If yes where is it in the Bible and if No where is it in the Bible?
This is sort of like asking "can we go to heaven without God being there?"
Of course, I'm being facetious. However, your question may imply things that make the "spiritual life" more mechanical than it really is, or reduce or eliminate the Person of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: The Holy Ghost - 4/18/2008 10:35:54 PM
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Does the gift of the Holy Ghost precede water baptism? Absolutely. Study Acts 10:44-48. Really?? What about Acts 8:15-17 and Acts 19:1-7 where the gift of the Holy Spirit appears to follow water baptism?
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