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What should be done if a girl 9yrs old is raped and becomes pregnant?
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What should be done if a girl 9yrs old is raped and bec... - 10/15/2008 5:39:18 PM
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campbe33
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What do you think should be done, if a 9 yr old is raped and becomes pregnant?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438525,00.html
If she has the baby, what do you think should happen to the baby once it's born?
A 9yr old shoul not be having a baby even if she is raped. A 9yr old girl's body is in no way mature enough to have a baby. She should be playing with dolls not making babies.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/15/2008 5:42:45 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438525,00.html
A 9yr old shoul not be having a baby even if she is raped. A 9yr old girl's body is in no way mature enough to have a baby. She should be playing with dolls not making babies.
Well I think we all agree that that what happened to her was wrong and that the perps should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law - actually, based on the sentences they recieved, beyond the full extent of the law.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/16/2008 7:30:20 PM
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Whether or not I know the girl and her family, I believe the Christian thing for me to do would be to stand by the family, help it, and pray for it no matter what they decided, as long as they needed.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/16/2008 7:46:16 PM
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would think an abortion would cause the least emotional and physical damage.
I don't know any 9 yr. olds who would be comfortable with knowing they murdered anyone either.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/16/2008 8:00:29 PM
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Unfortunately girls young age are violated, raped and become pregnant and in country where abortion is ilegal she would carry her baby and deliver by C- section. Where abortion is ilegal even not "viable" as anencephalic (without brains) baby are carried to term, eventhough many of those babies will die soon of later after they are born.
There were a documentary reggarding the difficult road that took a poor couple trying to abort their baby without brain, it took months and months going from one court to another not given permission to abort. What I say is a road with much pain and the journalist taped it all, even the baby induced birth and his death. Great trauma indeed in a poor region of Brasil. If this couple were rich etc they may had used the ilegal meanings and one would never know etc.
Where abortion is legal "non viable" babies would be senteced to be automaticaly aborted as the healthy "viable" ones do also receive the same sentence, all legal permission to take a life.
What legalization of abortion did has nothing to do with protecting women's privacy but just a coward way to scape ones action and that nature does have a course and in this life we do have many lessons of pain indeed. One may extract a rot tooth and the procedure does bring much good and as cease ones pain and infection etc but to abort a baby is a process way too easy were it is legal, full of so many excuses none justifieable, even if as pregnancy was conceived by a crime.
But the mindset of some is to get rid of "it".
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/16/2008 8:13:49 PM
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I have a 10 year old daughter.
I also have a 7 year old daughter.
I've read the article. The girl in question went on to give birth to the baby.
I wonder what kind of teasing and ridicule this child had to deal with as she got bigger and bigger throughout her pregnancy both from her peers and the adults she came in contact with during this.
I wonder what kind of damage and stress this caused to her young body that was still that of a child's and in NO way ready to carry a baby.
I wonder and worry about the emotional damage this has done to this child - of which she may never recover.
I wonder how this will affect this child self-worth and how she relates to men in the future.
I wonder what kind of person could allow this to happen to someone they are suppose to love and cherish. I can't call this person a mother because I don't believe she acted like one.
I do know that it is amazing that this child was able to carry and deliver even a premature baby for as long as she did.
I do know that this child is going to need a ton of good quality counseling.
I do know that no sentence is long enough for the man that did this to this child.
I do know that no sentence is long enough for this child's mother for allowing this to happen right under her nose.
I do know that those who hurt children aren't very well received in prison.
I do know that IF my child was ever raped that the perp better hope that I am never within arms reach of them.
AS for what should be done - should the child have an abortion or try to carry the baby and give birth. I'm torn. I KNOW God hates abortion. I know that. But if it were my daughter I would also be very worried about the potential physical and emotional consequences being pregnant would have on my child. I would be worried that my daughter would miscarry and have so much physical damage to her body that when she wanted to have children she would have trouble conceiving. I would be worried about her relationships with men in the future. I'd be worried about a lot of things. I'd be worried about her relationship with God. How would she feel about a God that allowed this to happen to her?
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/16/2008 9:16:15 PM
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Garsyt,
I really appreciate your open and honest answer. You expressed the point I was trying to make. Everything isn't always black and white. There aren't always easy answers to some of the problems we face. It's always is easy to sit back and dictate to other people what they should do, but honestly no one knows what they'd do until they are placed in that situation themselves.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/16/2008 9:25:19 PM
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would think an abortion would cause the least emotional and physical damage.
I don't know any 9 yr. olds who would be comfortable with knowing they murdered anyone either.
If the 9 yr old has the baby, who should decide what happens to it? The Mother, the parents of the girl or the State if the parents are incompetent? If the girl wants to keep her baby should she be able too or are you going to rip the baby away from her after all she went through bringing it into the world? What if the girl decides she doesn't want to carry the baby, especially after it's been explained to her what the next 9 months are going to be like and what the actual birth will be like? You would explain all of this to the child, right?
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 12:07:02 AM
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This is a perfect case for capital punishment.
Execute the baby!
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 12:26:22 AM
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AS for what should be done - should the child have an abortion or try to carry the baby and give birth. I'm torn. I KNOW God hates abortion. I know that. But if it were my daughter I would also be very worried about the potential physical and emotional consequences being pregnant would have on my child. I would be worried that my daughter would miscarry and have so much physical damage to her body that when she wanted to have children she would have trouble conceiving. I would be worried about her relationships with men in the future. I'd be worried about a lot of things. I'd be worried about her relationship with God. How would she feel about a God that allowed this to happen to her?
Blessings,
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 12:43:49 AM
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My only issue with this is that there is SO much focus on the poor unborn baby and saving that baby's life and that baby's future that the life of the 10 year old child having to endure the whole process is seen as secondary.
Save the baby at all costs, even if it means the destroyed mental, emotional and likely the physical health of a 10 year old. After the baby is born and adopted out who is going to be there for that 10 year old, whose mother is now in prison, whose siblings are likely separated into a number of different foster homes, and who will likely land in one herself? Oh but the baby is saved. All Christians can go on with their lives knowing another baby lives. Cute little babies get adopted. Ten year old girls who have had a baby - I dare say the percentages for her adoption go WAY down, and she ends up being bounced from foster home to foster home to group home until she ages out of the system and finds herself turned out to fend for herself with very little, parental style guidance. Now she may end up one of the lucky ones, but the odds are against her.
It really stinks in my opinion that we even have to be discussing this.
My prayer is this - "Come quickly Lord! Come quickly so this kind of torture to our babies, both the unborn potential abortion victims and those children left pregnant by rape, will come to an end."
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 1:37:26 AM
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If it were my 12 year old I would have the pregnancy terminated even if I had to do it myself and the and the penalty for doing so was death.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 1:52:55 AM
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Save the baby at all costs, even if it means the destroyed mental, emotional and likely the physical health of a 10 year old. After the baby is born and adopted out who is going to be there for that 10 year old, whose mother is now in prison, whose siblings are likely separated into a number of different foster homes, and who will likely land in one herself? Oh but the baby is saved. All Christians can go on with their lives knowing another baby lives. Cute little babies get adopted. Ten year old girls who have had a baby - I dare say the percentages for her adoption go WAY down, and she ends up being bounced from foster home to foster home to group home until she ages out of the system and finds herself turned out to fend for herself with very little, parental style guidance. Now she may end up one of the lucky ones, but the odds are against her.
First off I think it's unfair to imply that 'all Christians' are somehow indifferent to the life of this young girl; indeed I know any number of families that intentionally adopt children from troubled backgrounds, and if it were within their power, they would gladly help a young girl in a situation like this. The bottom line is an abortion isn't going to 'solve' this issue, and there is no guarantee it is going to make it better. I have yet to hear about a situation where an abortion actually made the situation better.
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It really stinks in my opinion that we even have to be discussing this.
It does, and compassion is fundamental in responding to it, but however much we hate the evil that has occured, it doesn't make aborting an unborn child right. And the reality is that she already had the baby - who is to say that there isn't hope in this situation?
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RE: What should be done if a girl 9yrs old is raped and... - 10/17/2008 4:38:18 AM
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What do you think should be done, if a 9 yr old is raped and becomes pregnant?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438525,00.html
If she has the baby, what do you think should happen to the baby once it's born?
A 9yr old shoul not be having a baby even if she is raped. A 9yr old girl's body is in no way mature enough to have a baby. She should be playing with dolls not making babies.
1) Seeing as how the girl had the baby last April, your poll is pointless.
2) The poll is pointless anyway, because of the way you've worded it. She should be allowed to get an abortion?!? She should be forced to carry the baby?!? Uh uh. You're setting a trap, and that's wrong.
3) We should look at this from they eyes of God. Does God like murder? Murder was one of the first things that happened in the Bible soon after the Fall. Miscarriages happen all the time, so God could've caused a miscarriage if He wanted to bring the baby home.
4) The girl's future is at stake here too. There is a lot of baggage that gets carried with an abortion. Many women have gone on to regret having an abortion. I've heard this same argument regarding homosexuals. They get ridiculed, commit suicide, we need to love them for who they are, blah, blah, blah, etc. That's because we don't show them love and compassion. The loving thing would not be to force this child to have an abortion. It would be to counsel her with the scriptures. Help her to see Jesus. Provide a family for her that she can turn to. That she can either raise her child with or allow to raise her child. Murder is simply wrong, in all situations. God knows what's best and holds death and life in His hands. We should not take death and life into our hands.
5) I refuse to vote in your poll.
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RE: What should be done if a girl 9yrs old is raped and... - 10/17/2008 7:29:55 AM
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Save the baby at all costs, even if it means the destroyed mental, emotional and likely the physical health of a 10 year old.
Weeellll, the question is about abortion specifically, so of course answers are going to focus on that.
However, i personally didn't base my answer on "baby at all costs". THe point is that once raped and pregnant, this little girl doesn't have any good, safe "fix". Abortion is yet another violation of her body, and at 9 can she truly choose it? Either way it's not exactly her choice. She's a kid. Think of the physical position she'd be in, the actual process of abortion, the pain she'd be in, and the scaryness of all of that. And then the realization as an adult, perhaps when she has a baby she can keep, what exactly went on in that abortion clinic. 
There is no simple fix. No matter what happens she is going to need tons of support and help along the way. Let us not compound the evil by killing a baby.
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RE: What should be done if a girl 9yrs old is raped and... - 10/17/2008 7:52:45 AM
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No matter how hard or awful this is she did the right thing.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 8:31:28 AM
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garsyt
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Save the baby at all costs, even if it means the destroyed mental, emotional and likely the physical health of a 10 year old. After the baby is born and adopted out who is going to be there for that 10 year old, whose mother is now in prison, whose siblings are likely separated into a number of different foster homes, and who will likely land in one herself? Oh but the baby is saved. All Christians can go on with their lives knowing another baby lives. Cute little babies get adopted. Ten year old girls who have had a baby - I dare say the percentages for her adoption go WAY down, and she ends up being bounced from foster home to foster home to group home until she ages out of the system and finds herself turned out to fend for herself with very little, parental style guidance. Now she may end up one of the lucky ones, but the odds are against her.
First off I think it's unfair to imply that 'all Christians' are somehow indifferent to the life of this young girl; indeed I know any number of families that intentionally adopt children from troubled backgrounds, and if it were within their power, they would gladly help a young girl in a situation like this. The bottom line is an abortion isn't going to 'solve' this issue, and there is no guarantee it is going to make it better. I have yet to hear about a situation where an abortion actually made the situation better.
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It really stinks in my opinion that we even have to be discussing this.
It does, and compassion is fundamental in responding to it, but however much we hate the evil that has occured, it doesn't make aborting an unborn child right. And the reality is that she already had the baby - who is to say that there isn't hope in this situation?
I'm sorry Jack. You are right It was unfair of me to imply that.
And your right abortion is not going to solve anything. But one has to admit that the odds are against this young girl. You may know several families that intentionally adopt older children with troubled backgrounds, I can say I know VERY few. Anyone I've ever known, save my younger sister, has wanted and adopted a baby or at most a toddler or preschooler. My sister adopted a teenager several years ago and that young lady is an adult now and getting married tomorrow.
What really stinks is that it happened at all.
And I must say that as a human being with free will and a love for my God - I can honestly say I don't exactly know how I would deal with this situation happening to my child, simply because I've never been there. And I pray I never have to.
Blessings,
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 9:36:18 AM
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It is complicated and I'm sure since the rape happened she was placed in a supportive environment with appropriate counseling.
Wrong, the rape was never reported and authorities did not know about it until she went to the hospital to give birth. The mother of the girl is an illegal alien and now faces deportation. Her illegal status is probably one of the reasons she didn't report the rape. She didn't report her boyfriend or break up with him either once her daughter's belly started showing signs of pregnancy.
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ORIGINAL: StephK I'm sure the baby has been placed in a loving home so there is some positive that came out of this horrible situation. This is a sad situation but one that can be overcome with love, counseling and appropriate punishment for the perps. Oh, that and never allowing her brain dead mother to regain custody.
Victims of rape have an increased chance of committing suicide and getting hooked on drugs. Hopefully this girl gets the counseling she needs so that she can avoid those outcomes.
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 9:58:13 AM
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I have a 10 year old daughter.
I also have a 7 year old daughter.
I've read the article. The girl in question went on to give birth to the baby.
I wonder what kind of teasing and ridicule this child had to deal with as she got bigger and bigger throughout her pregnancy both from her peers and the adults she came in contact with during this.
I wonder what kind of damage and stress this caused to her young body that was still that of a child's and in NO way ready to carry a baby.
I wonder and worry about the emotional damage this has done to this child - of which she may never recover.
I wonder how this will affect this child self-worth and how she relates to men in the future.
I wonder what kind of person could allow this to happen to someone they are suppose to love and cherish. I can't call this person a mother because I don't believe she acted like one.
I do know that it is amazing that this child was able to carry and deliver even a premature baby for as long as she did.
I do know that this child is going to need a ton of good quality counseling.
I do know that no sentence is long enough for the man that did this to this child.
I do know that no sentence is long enough for this child's mother for allowing this to happen right under her nose.
I do know that those who hurt children aren't very well received in prison.
I do know that IF my child was ever raped that the perp better hope that I am never within arms reach of them.
It has been said that "Mother is the name for God in the lips and hearts of little children." In the mind of a child, Mom is the one who knows everything and knows how to fix all problems, cuts and scrapes. Mom can make everything better no matter how big or small the problem is. It saddens me that this mother did not do whatever it took to protect this child. Even animals in the wild, wildebeasts, zebras, and elephants do the best they can to protect their children from prey.
Maybe this mother couldn't have prevented the rape, but she could have protected her child and reported the rape once she knew here daughter was pregnant. How a mother could choose to be blind and ignore the situation is beyond comprehension.
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ORIGINAL: garsytAS for what should be done - should the child have an abortion or try to carry the baby and give birth. I'm torn. I KNOW God hates abortion. I know that. But if it were my daughter I would also be very worried about the potential physical and emotional consequences being pregnant would have on my child. I would be worried that my daughter would miscarry and have so much physical damage to her body that when she wanted to have children she would have trouble conceiving. I would be worried about her relationships with men in the future. I'd be worried about a lot of things. I'd be worried about her relationship with God. How would she feel about a God that allowed this to happen to her?
Blessings,
Garsy
I have a 16 yr. old and 8 yr. old daughter. I am against abortion as a form of birth control, but I support it in the case of rape, incest, and to save the life of a mother. Heaven forbid, but if one of my daughters was raped, there are options on the table that would have to be considered. One of them is the controversial morning-after pill. This would prevent the egg from sticking to the wall and prevent the pregnancy.
What are your (the posters here) views on the morning after pill or similar drugs that prevent an embryo from even forming?
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RE: The girl became pregnant at age 9 - 10/17/2008 10:08:42 AM
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It is complicated and I'm sure since the rape happened she was placed in a supportive environment with appropriate counseling.
Wrong, the rape was never reported and authorities did not know about it until she went to the hospital to give birth. The mother of the girl is an illegal alien and now faces deportation. Her illegal status is probably one of the reasons she didn't report the rape. She didn't report her boyfriend or break up with him either once her daughter's belly started showing signs of pregnancy.
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ORIGINAL: StephK I'm sure the baby has been placed in a loving home so there is some positive that came out of this horrible situation. This is a sad situation but one that can be overcome with love, counseling and appropriate punishment for the perps. Oh, that and never allowing her brain dead mother to regain custody.
Victims of rape have an increased chance of committing suicide and getting hooked on drugs. Hopefully this girl gets the counseling she needs so that she can avoid those outcomes.
I did not know that it was unreported or that both the mother and perp were illegals. I don't think the mother should be deported, let her serve time in jail so that she can't sneak back in. The girl should be in state custody now and receiving the counseling and support she needs. The baby is still more than likely in a loving family and that is a good thing. As far as overcoming the rape, guess what it is more than possible to overcome. I and many women on these forums have shared how God has healed us from being sexually abused as young children. I've worked with many young girls who were raped by mom's boyfriend and several grown women who were forced to have an abortion when younger. The women who were forced to abort had more mental health issues because of the guilt of what they had done and they felt guilty for not being able to stand up to say no. They truly had no choice in the matter and felt violated again. It is a hard road to go down but God can and does take that awful time to make us stronger.
As I have shared many times on this board, God showed me a passage of scripture that changed my outlook of why I went through what I did. Even in the worst of circumstances there is always hope if we choose to see it.
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* Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,
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* who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God.
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* For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives, so also through Christ our comfort overflows.
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* If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer.
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* And our hope for you is firm, because we know that just as you share in our sufferings, so also you share in our comfort.
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* We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about the hardships we suffered in the province of Asia. We were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired even of life.
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* Indeed, in our hearts we felt the sentence of death. But this happened that we might not rely on ourselves but on God, who raises the dead.
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* He has delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will continue to deliver us,
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* as you help us by your prayers. Then many will give thanks on our behalf for the gracious favor granted us in answer to the prayers of many.
How this passage saved my life was that God healed my wounds then opened the doors to minister to others in similar and usually worse situations. Young girls and women open up when they know you understand where they have been. That is where healing starts.
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