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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/16/2007 2:11:07 PM
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ObviousLee
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I don't think so. I think Satan will dangle a carrot in front of people by just giving enough supposed evidence that they exist, and then pull it back just when people think ground breaking evidence will be exposed. I believe Satan can manifest to 1 or 2 people without anyone else seeing it (UFOs or aliens), and even cause a large number of people in a city or Jet Airplane to see a supposed alien ship, and have it all come to naught without any conclusive evidence.
I think God bounds Satan to a certain lack of creativity that gives us believers clues to the truth. For instance, it's said that the alien visitors are reptilians or reptoids. It's been stated that the supposed aliens that were recovered from Roswell had reptile skin. This ties in a bit too much with all the serpentile references in the Bible IMO. I don't think all of these supposed aliens are reptile in form, but I think a significant number of them are to give us Christians an identification factor as to Satan's schemes.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/17/2007 4:01:49 AM
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I thought about this too. Not them visting here, but life elsewhere. God said He always was and always will be. What was He doing before He created man? Were not even the angles created before man? And since God aways was, is it not possible that he may have created perhaps millions of worlds out there and considers it none of our business? Does God have limitations? I think not. Who knows. I guess we will have to wait and ask Him. Jeff
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/17/2007 8:18:02 AM
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Hi, Jeff. I agree with you on the fact that we don't know what all God did before creating humans and angels. Could be that he created lots of different beings on different worlds/planets. We may never know while we're here on earth, but I'll ask Him in Heaven. It's such an interesting topic to think about.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Kris
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/17/2007 10:37:11 PM
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I'm not sure about Aliens visiting us, although I've seen some wierd things in the sky before. I can't remember where I read it, but someone had done some research with people who claim to have been abducted or had some contact with Aliens and found there was a correlation with being involved to an extent with occultic experiences (Ouiji board use, sceances, tarot cards, etc.) I hope I don't sound too 'out there' saying that, I think I'll do some googling and see what I can find. I'll be back!
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/18/2007 8:14:24 AM
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This is the first time I've ever heard of the correlation between the occult and alien abductions. Could be they have something. Very interesting reading- thanks for the links.
Kris
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/18/2007 1:30:13 PM
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You may want to check this out:
[Theology] >> Prophecy & End Times >> Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!!
http://faithcommunitynetwork.com/m_2204381/mpage_1/tm.htm
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I've recommended this book before and I recommend it again:
Lights in the sky & little green men : a rational Christian look at UFOs and extraterrestrials by Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, Mark Clark.
This is a very good Book!!
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/19/2007 6:49:07 AM
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No theological reason to say no...
Hebrews says that some have entertained angels unawares. While this specifically refers to Abraham preparing lunch for the angels on their way to Sodom, the indication that still may happen is clear.
A friend (in his pre-believer days) met the rodies of an occult rock band he liked and was convinced the main rodie was actually a fallen angel.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/21/2007 5:54:26 AM
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Hi, klmcbride--
You can put this in the “For what it’s worth” department but…here is a research article about something called “the Greada Treaty”-- http://www.abidemiracles.com/56789.htm
The author certainly has put together a fairly impressive line-up of government VIPs who are testifying to this mind boggling scenario involving President Eisenhower.
William Cooper served on the Naval Intelligence briefing team for the Commander of the Pacific Fleet (’70-’73). He testified to some of these extraordinary events in the 50’s involving Eisenhower. Also, the son of Charles L. Suggs, former Commander of the US Navy, has reported his father attended one of these “meetings” at Edwards AFB. Then there is John Lear (of Lear Jet fame) who was a test pilot and a CIA contract pilot, also testifying.
Colonel Philip Corso is another potential “whistle blower” here. He served on Eisenhower’s National Security Council. He reported ‘encounters’ which he went so far as to describe as “negotiations”. (You’ll have to read the full article, and google for “Philip Corso”.)
Over the years that followed WW2, Colonel Corso became one of the loudest ‘voices in the wilderness’ regarding the “ET” issue. As a senior member of Gen. Douglas MacArthur’s staff, he testifies to having seen the remains of non-humans, and that recovered artifacts were “reverse engineered” leading to a number of technological advances. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso
Therefore, one of the most interesting and anomalous testimonies was that of Gen. Douglas MacArthur himself. In a speech made at West Point Academy in 1962 (and subsequently buried by the media) he stated the following:
“We speak in strange terms…of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy.”
A few years previous, he had been quoted as saying "the earth would have to make a common front against attack by people from other planets."
Seems to me that for Bible-believers there should be, by all rights, no credibility issue regarding the existence of ETs, otherwise referred to as demonic beings. Philosophically speaking…conceptually speaking...isn’t this right down the middle of an ‘ordinary’ biblical world view? Planet Earth is crawling with non-humans.
How, when or where they might manifest themselves is merely secondary. Still…I find it to be quite an interesting topic. As I said, I put all of this in the FWIW department.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/21/2007 11:37:24 PM
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Hello,
I didn't know which folder to post this question in. So, I thought I'd post in this one. Forgive me if this question has been asked before. The question is: Do any of you believe there are aliens (extraterrestrials) visiting this earth? This may sound like a wacky question, but it's a topic I've thought about a lot. I think there definitely could be aliens here on earth visiting from who knows where. I just don't know how they would (if there are aliens) fit in God's plan for us. Some say I'm crazy for thinking there could be extraterrestrials here on earth. Maybe I am  . Any ideas or thoughts on this?
Thanks!
Kris
Sorry, don't believe in aliens from another planet. Actually, for an oxygen breathing alien to come here to earth means there must be other planets like earth out there. But we haven't found any so far and we've peeked deep into space. A planet must form like earth once did millions of years ago and go through specific transformations in order to produce an an oxygen atmosphere. So, no, scientifically speaking, I don't think there are little green men running around, saying take me to your leader. Now there are some strannnnge folks out there, though.
kim
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/22/2007 7:14:40 PM
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Hell all,
This topic is quite an interest to me. I have personally always believed in this possiblity and am very open minded to this possibility.
A few things peak my interest and are hard to dispute:
1. Eyewitness accounts. People from all walks of life, cultures and mentalities see or have seen UFOs for centuries. The numbers are impressive and on many an ocassion, lie detectors tests have been taken and passed in regards to sightings. Not everyone can be lying or hoaxing.
2. In the mid-90s the US Government, after being pressured by several key figures in UFO research, released 900 pages of information about UFOs from deep within CIA and FBI departments. 90% of it was blacked out. Imagine that...
3. Ancient art- could be the smoking gun. A simple Google search can yield several credible sites that show ancient art which shows UFOs carefully hidden in the forground or actual accounts recorded in the art of UFOs and ETs. How could someone imagine space travel, 500-700 yrs before the first airplane?
I posted this on a another site and got these stats from a guy who is all into astronomy and physics. I saved it and have it here for viewing. I find it VERY interesting, mathematically.
RE; UFOs and ETs
I believe you. I saw a program, not an entertainment production, but a news production by our national state channel. I mean, hugely serious and non speculative. I think the occasion was the mars landing, or more likely the take off of the first mars whatyoucallit, sond or rocket, I don't really know what it's called in english. Anyway: This emotionless and dry scientist told that if you take all the stars in all the galaxies, and then only those that most likely is the center of a solar system with planets... You have an insane number of solar systems. He gathered that a certain amount of these would have planets in such a distance from such a sun that life would be possible. If we left out 90% of these, to allow for unexpected issues, and then concentrated on the 10% left...
Out of these, they reckoned that a very small percentage would have a probability of harboring life, or letting it emerge (?). Even so, he took away another 90% of that small percentage (like 1 or less, can't remember), again to be on the safe side.
Of those inhabitable planets, where life was granted, most would be inhabitable long before even plant life was present. Evolution would have too little time. Taking the minor percentage of remaining candidates, where inhabitable conditions would stay stable for billions of years, again cutting away 90% for good measure, he was left with something like 300.000 planets where there most likely would be intelligent life.
Then he added: Of course, we can cut this down by another 90%, and we're left with 30.000 that has an even greater chance of containing intelligent life. And then there's the matter of the size of the universe. The known universe expands all the time... Maybe we acknowledge the existence of ten times as many stars in a few years?
And then there's the question, he said, about whether life is something that is inevitable. If it is in the nature of chemistry to build those molecules given time... Then life would emerge eventually, on ALL hospitable planets. And we can always imagine that what we have thought as inhospitable conditions to our kind of life, may be hospitable to another kind of life... What then? Only one of these probabilities granted would propel the figures beyond the multi-million mark. If they are all proving to be true...
What's your take on this?
If we discover another cluster(?) of galaxies, or discover that what we've taken for the universe is a super-cluster of which there are many... The first time in modern history people thought they knew roughly how big the universe was... How many times bigger do we think it is today? 10 times? 100 times? What about a few years into the future? Will we discover that it's another 10.000 times as many stars out there as we have thought until now? Maybe not, but don't tell me this universe can't surprise us again. We've thought so many times that we knew the truth.
Gee... this is a big topic!!
Mathematically speaking, it is much more probable that there is life out there than that it's not. Likewise, it is not probable that we're the most or least developed of the worlds. We might be, but I think some are ahead and some are behind. Hence, those ahead can possess technology that makes things possible that we can't do today. Travel distances 10 billion times faster than us, for instance... I don't know.
God Bless- ROS
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/23/2007 12:30:52 PM
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I think most UFO interest groups are only so as long as things fall under a ET/Close Encounters Of The Third Kind format. I think there's a tendency to look past the darker side of the issue. Of course for non-believers the notion of demonic activity is out of the question. But, I think it even goes beyond that. There seems to be this insistence that aliens will come to bring peace, enlightenment, technological prosperity, etc. That being said; I think RedStone's links are well worth reading. I think they bring an interesting light to possibilities, even from a secular viewpoint, many want to discard in favor of their optimistic views.
A question I have for those fascinated with the possibilities of aliens visiting our planet, or life on other planets in general, not necessarily from a biblical stand point but not counter to; what if we were invaded and enslaved by an Alien race? No more cover-ups. No more speculations. Instead you had to look at ugly reptilian looking creatures cracking a laser whip at you while in the midst of some form of hard labor. My guess would be, UFOs, aliens, life on other planets, will be the single most uninteresting, un-fascinating subject in human history.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/25/2007 2:17:10 PM
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Redstone-
Great post with great info- much of which I have read about myself (I have Corso's book plus lots of others)! I tend to agree with the thought that with as VAST as space is- the possibility of ET/aliens is there. They may not be in human form, but they could be there. I am definitely not ruling it out. But, again, we probably won't know for sure until we are able to ask God about it in Heaven. I also think the govt. would DEFINITELY NOT want us to know if there were aliens here on earth (or anywhere for that matter)- for obvious reasons.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/25/2007 2:32:56 PM
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The folks in this town had their eyes open, and as far as I can perceive it, the same groups should be running Great Britian as are running the US, but the report didn't get shut down...
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/25/2007 2:44:18 PM
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Some people believe that Ezekiel saw aliens, and a UFO....they even wrote a song about it.
Ezekiel saw de wheel
way up in the middle of the air
Ezekiel saw de wheel
way in the middle of the air.
De big wheel run by faith
Little wheel run by de grace of God
Wheel in a wheel
Way in de middle of de air
Wheel, oh, wheel
Wheel in de middle of a wheel
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/25/2007 4:30:14 PM
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RingsofSaturn
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So did Journey...
The wheel in the sky keeps on turning
I don't know which planet I'll be on tomoorow
The wheel in the sky keeps on churning
I don't know which super nova I'll fly through tomoorow
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/25/2007 4:46:12 PM
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If it is in the nature of chemistry to build those molecules given time... Then life would emerge eventually, on ALL hospitable planets.
This, of course, is the foundation upon which evolution is built. I'm sticking with God as the Creator. :-)
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Mathematically speaking, it is much more probable that there is life out there than that it's not.
Carl Sagan and Ernst Mayr debated this very idea. I think it's interesting on many levels, not the least of which is how much they sound like "religious" men arguing over their doctrines! LOL
Here's a link to that debate:
http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/search_for_life/seti/seti_debate.html
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 7/30/2007 4:31:09 PM
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I actually did a research paper about the possibility of alien life when I was in college. Sadly, I don't remember any specifics (this was many, many years ago), and that paper is long since lost, but I do remember having a fascination with the clock for quite some time. It seems that one of the common themes of people that claim they have seen aliens is missing time. The books that I read convinced me, and the paper got me an "A".
I believe that there is something out there, that lots and lots of people have seen, and that most of those lots and lots of people think are aliens. Oooh, one case that I vaguely remember... there was a college, somewhere on the east coast? Something like 9pm over 100 people saw the same lights in the sky. That was a lot of people to just dismiss. There has been tons of stuff written, voicing the theory that there are aliens, and that they do come to earth. The number one thing I remember from my research though, is fear. I fully bought into the fact that they are here, and that they aren't exactly looking to be best friends with us earthlings. Now I don't really give them much thought one way or another. If pressed though, I'd have to say I believe, simply because of the research I've already done on the subject.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 8/1/2007 1:42:48 AM
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So-called "aliens" or ETS are demonic beings...and demonic beings are ETs.
Not sure why there'd be any uncertainty about that...from a biblical standpoint. There are certain Scriptures that make it clear..."ALL have fallen into sin and come short of the glory of God". And only a small portion of the human family experience any redemption from this "fall". All these other beings floating around out there are "fallen"...unless they are the angels of God.
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RE: Thoughts On Aliens... - 8/1/2007 1:27:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: klmcbride
Hello,
I didn't know which folder to post this question in. So, I thought I'd post in this one. Forgive me if this question has been asked before. The question is: Do any of you believe there are aliens (extraterrestrials) visiting this earth? This may sound like a wacky question, but it's a topic I've thought about a lot. I think there definitely could be aliens here on earth visiting from who knows where. I just don't know how they would (if there are aliens) fit in God's plan for us. Some say I'm crazy for thinking there could be extraterrestrials here on earth. Maybe I am . Any ideas or thoughts on this?
Thanks!
Kris
No, I don't believe there are any aliens..err, intelligent aliens that having been visiting our planet. Do I believe there could be life out there in the universe? Yes that is possible as there are billions of stars and solar systems out there with planets. So it's very possible there could be life out there, but intelligent life comparable to our own? I highly doubt that, but who am I to say since God could very well have created another life form in His image somewhere else but that doesn't really concern me and my salvation. I think the reason why so many people are wistful and yearning when it comes to wondering about intelligent alien out there visiting us or at least living on another planet, is that so far Earth is the only living planet out there.
Earth is like an oasis in a vast, lifeless desert that is the universe. That is pretty overwhelming, that we could be so alone and so we have agencies like NASA searching and searching for possible planets that could harbor life or those who are UFOers that insist we've been visited. But the thing is, we don't have to search and search because we aren't alone. Jesus is always with you if you believe in Him and have faith in Him. God will not abandon His creation and so we should be secure in the knowledge that we AREN'T alone because we'll always have Him.
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