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Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/1/2008 8:05:10 PM
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selahgirl
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I'm not a political person, but I pay attention to the news when elections come around to understand (or attempt to anyway) the people I am entrusting with my nation and the people I love that they represent.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of this group for me?
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/6/2008 7:45:31 AM
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rlj
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I will probably vote for them again. Ironic that Chuck Baldwin is interested in passing some of the things that Ron Paul wanted.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/6/2008 2:23:38 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: selahgirl
I'm not a political person, but I pay attention to the news when elections come around to understand (or attempt to anyway) the people I am entrusting with my nation and the people I love that they represent.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of this group for me?
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
Pros: some good ideas in theory.
Cons: History of nutjobs like L. Ron Paul: no chance of electing their candidate.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/6/2008 3:15:41 PM
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stamper_ben
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Why is it that the "nutjobs" are the ones with the good ideas then?
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/6/2008 3:27:30 PM
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rlj
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Why is it that the "nutjobs" are the ones with the good ideas then?
My response to that is honest with lots of cynicism: The lobbyists haven't told them what ideas to espouse yet because those types of candidates aren't worth their money. : /
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And the money says 'In God We Trust' but it's against the law to pray in schools... don't ask me for the answers I've only got one, that a man leaves his darkness when he follows the Son.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/6/2008 4:46:03 PM
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cow451
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Why is it that the "nutjobs" are the ones with the good ideas then?
Operative word: "some".
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/6/2008 10:49:26 PM
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stamper_ben
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Why is it that the "nutjobs" are the ones with the good ideas then?
Operative word: "some".
And there is something wrong that you see in the seven principals?
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/8/2008 8:08:52 AM
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Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
Things that most people believe and like to support, but throw out the window to vote for who is "most electable" instead of the candidate carrying these beliefs.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/8/2008 12:27:23 PM
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selahgirl
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Pro-life is the main issue that would draw my vote for a candidate. Then it would come down to electability, unless... there was a candidate that convinced me that God was doing something unique with them. Like, I loved Huckabee, he was aligned with most of my values if not all. McCain would have gotten my vote though because he is Pro-life and More Electable and Strong on defending the homeland.
But if it was between Alan Keyes and another pro-life candidate, I would have to vote for Keyes. I think , if Keyes is all that he seems, I would vote for Keyes over McCain. I would like to hear Keyes plan to unite our nation over the racial tensions that so many black voices keep stirring to fill their own bank accounts. I want to see one of the very capable, truly Godly, black men of our nation step up to the plate and bring some peace to the racial tensions of our nation. It's a shame that we have allowed the enemy to divide God's church along the lines of color and race. I think it grieves the Lord to see us distrust one another more than we trust God.
If a man stands up with Godly wisdom and true integrity... I would vote for him no matter the color of his skin or the party he aligns himself to. Because if he is truly a man of integrity, he will not join himself to an organization of hate. And if he is a man passionate and gifted with Godly wisdom, he would be capable of leading a nation. But most of all... if he has a love for Jesus Christ and a respect for the Word of God -- the handbook of the framers of this nation -- I would vote for such a man.
I tell my children all the time to not be fooled by what a person says. You need to watch how they treat the people around them, what kind of character they walk with on good days and bad days, and how diligent they are to be honest concerning the little things as well as the big things. A person can say anything... politicians and political parties have proved that. But what a person does, how they act, what decisions they actually walk out -- that's the measure of who they are. Not what they say they are.
I don't know much about this Ron Paul. He may be a good guy, but he hasn't crossed my path in life in any way except a sign in a yard or two and his name mentioned in a list on a forum. But Alan Keyes, way back in the day was being faithful in the little things. He was on the radio speaking truth despite what the black camp or the white camp thought. He was only concerned with God's camp and being a voice for what he felt God said was right and wrong. His walk has been true as an American (and simply as a man) from what little I know of him. I'd like to hear more from him. If he aligns himself with this Constitution Party, I think it gives that party some credibility.
I don't know enough to arrive at a solid conclusion about it all.
But it's definitely got my attention. And if God makes it plain that I need to cast a vote without regard to electability, I'd go there. You can't just follow where ever a wind may blow, but when the Spirit of God is in that wind... I wouldn't hesitate to risk all to follow it. Something's gotta change in this nation, serious change. But I just don't believe Obama will bring that change in a positive way. Looking at his character and the smell of his walk so far... it just doesn't seem trust worthy. It seems political and focused on an uncertain agenda. He will definitely bring the change that he touts he will bring... but I'm not convinced it will be positive change.
Change is not always a good thing. Sometimes it's a subtle holocaust.
We cannot overlook that fact that Change means that something will die and something will be born.
Sometimes, what dies and what lives is not what we expected. All of us had better be paying attention during this time of transition and shifting in our nation.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/9/2008 10:13:10 AM
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cow451
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Why is it that the "nutjobs" are the ones with the good ideas then?
Operative word: "some".
And there is something wrong that you see in the seven principals?
Number 5 is so subjective as to be meaningless. Ideas includes implementation. The old USSR had a pretty good sounding constitution.
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Wer weiß, was Übel im Herzen der Männer lauert? Nur der Schatten weiß. Giants 17 Patriots 14.
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RE: Who is this Constitution Party? - 5/9/2008 11:26:59 AM
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rlj
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I voted Constitution last time because Peroutka was closest to what I thought a candidate should stand for. I still get a chuckle when people say I'm a "liberal" when I voted for the only one close to conservative on the ballot here in Ohio.
I haven't decided yet if I'm going to vote for Baldwin. A pro-life platform + stop illegal immigration + get out of Iraq platform sounds amazing to me. I agree with him on Russia and China to though it may be too late for Russia. You can only kick a bear in the face so many times when it's down before it gets angry.
As for what he says he wants to do I'm for it.
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And the money says 'In God We Trust' but it's against the law to pray in schools... don't ask me for the answers I've only got one, that a man leaves his darkness when he follows the Son.
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