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Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 11:28:57 AM
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SavedByGraceMD
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To have all of these different doctrines, and denominations. Why do we need to make ourselves better than those guys because they don't believe the way we do. When did we start taking our focus solely and completely off the Lord, and put it into all these other things. I don't quite understand, and I am a new believer so to say. I am studying on my own, some theology, and about creation, and so many other things, but all I really want to know, is Jesus. Can someone explain to me why we have so many different denominations. Why aren't we just all united behind our belief in the only begotten Son of God. Everything else is just semantics, right. I appreciate any replies.
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 12:45:28 PM
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I don't know the answer.
I do think that satan uses these differences to seperate us and make us weaker as a body. So we fuss about things that have nothing to do with salvation, when we should stand united as the body of Christ.
I don't think we should let him!
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 12:58:48 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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ORIGINAL: sparkleingsnow
I don't know the answer.
I do think that satan uses these differences to seperate us and make us weaker as a body. So we fuss about things that have nothing to do with salvation, when we should stand united as the body of Christ.
I don't think we should let him!
I don't think we should let him either. Thanks for your reply.
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Do not be dismayed for I am your God,
I will strengthen you and help you,
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 1:24:43 PM
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Because religion is straight from the Pit Of hell.... If you ask me... You are entirely right... All religion is good for is seperation and dividing people. that's it... and keeps God's people from functioning as a Body. One Whole Body United.... But alot of people are blinded to except this. I think mostly because of Tradition in people's families. So it becomes a common thing... to say I was born and raised in a catholic, pentecostal, apostolic, baptist etc, etc, etc,...Family or church back ground.... and if you notice people, a lot of people exault their religion rather Than Christ Jesus..... Some will arugue that Christ Jesus talked about religion... yea he did.... and he spoke about a Perfect Religion "ONE" Not diffrent denominations or religions... made from man.....
Anyways when it all comes down to It... No religion can save you...And with all Honesty, God's Honest Truth... Religion did nothing for anyone .....
It's all about Christ Jesus and The Cross He Suffered For us.....
It was Jesus Who's back was Lashed, It was Jesus who was cursed and beatened, It was Jesus who was Nailed On The Cross, It was Jesus Who Died on The Cross & suffered for our and all sins, and It Was Jesus Who Rose again From The Grave....
Religion in and of it's self did nothing good for Us ( People). But in my opinion religion is one of the culprits of sending Christ Jesus to Die on The Cross. so that we may not be bound by religion but free from it if we choose to be free from it.... But that is a personal choice....You have to choose to be free... If people would learn not to follow mans religion But rather what the word teaches The Body of Christ Jesus would be much more Powerful in the earth and in this day and age.... I believe just as it was In Christ Jesus, In His Apostles, and In The Early Church... With signs and Wonders In The Body Of Christ and His Church today......
So remember in All of your Studding and Learning... It's all about Christ Jesus and not religion...
Your Brother In Our Lord Christ Jesus.
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 1:34:24 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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It's all about Christ Jesus and The Cross He Suffered For us.....
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So remember in All of your Studding and Learning... It's all about Christ Jesus and not religion...
Your Brother In Our Lord Christ Jesus.
Thank you for your reply, and yes I do know that it is all about Christ Jesus, and the cross He bared, not about religion. I appreciate your views on this matter.
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"Fear not for I am with you,
Do not be dismayed for I am your God,
I will strengthen you and help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 2:11:34 PM
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I have no answer to your specific question.
Although, I think it might be one of the many diverse mercies God grants us so that we may gather together in like-mindedness, even while we stumble around in sin trying to just live our lives according to the bible.
I only see the importance of being in community with a body of believers. A community that cares for one another, grows together and ministers to those around them.
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 3:42:35 PM
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I have to wonder if it's because people believe that they are better or if it is more of people thinking they are right. To clarify even further, if we think some one's belief is wrong, we want to correct them. We don't want others to miss Jesus. Is this a good thing?? I don't know. If Jesus lives in us, we don't want anyone to believe wrong or be misguided and inadvertently end up in hell. I really don't know if I am on track with this or not. I know that in some of these debates, I've had those exact thoughts about people being misguided. The whole path is narrow vs pops into my head. But, then again who is to say that someone else's beliefs are not more correct than my own? Jesus leads and where He goes I will follow. If I am wrong He will show me, If some one else is right, he will show me that too 
I agree with you. I too want to try to correct someone if I think they are wrong, but i try to do it with the love of Christ.
I guess my question is why do we have a need for so many denominations. If we just focus on Jesus and live by the examples and commandments He gave, what is with all of this. If we know someone is being misled, I think we need to try to show them the truth. But there is no need for the attitudes, and oppressive behavior of someone trying to make a case for why they are right.
Whether or not they are right or we are right, if we truly followed what He taught us, there should be no division in the Christian family. I just think that for someone on the outside, it must be really confusing. That right now is my biggest fear, to lead someone away from Christ with the things that I say. Some more to ponder I guess.
Take care and God bless.
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"Fear not for I am with you,
Do not be dismayed for I am your God,
I will strengthen you and help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 5:09:34 PM
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Briefly, I think no matter how denominations/doctrines were developed, and no matter how Satan can use them to separate, God can use them for good. As far as style of worship is concerned. Arguing over doctrine...not good. But Some people will feel more natural worshiping in a more structured environment, with denominational by-laws and church government; and others will feel worship is more natural with a praise band and a "love everyone/hate sin, church-of-Acts" type of environment. God, in His sovereignty, is able to use even what was meant for division to strengthen His Church.
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/15/2008 6:56:45 PM
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Coming from a cult background and not meeting the Lord of Life and Truth until my 20s, I can give you an answer: sinful people emphasize things that come from their own sin nature and not from God. We are to separate ourselves from so-called brothers who teach lies and live immorally.
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
People disagree what the Bible means, and it can become a big deal in a short period of time. Instead of good scholarship (rightly dividing the Word) and grace, people pick their marbles and go home in a huff. Sinful people insisting on being sinful.
There's another verse that talks about separating yourself from a contentious person, but I can't find it right now.
Starting a new religion can be very profitable, and some liars have done so, to their doom with God.
So here are a few examples; I'm sure there are more. The study of church history is fascinating, and a cautionary tale of what can happen to people going astray. Also, the various councils (like the Nicene Council) were called to deal with and expose error and give the truth of the matter. Hence, the Nicene Creed, which I think was to correct gnosticism (which is still with Western Civilization under another name).
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/16/2008 12:39:50 AM
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First, the church is not perfect. Jesus left it to us and we are not perfect. Even with the Holy Spirit we did not achieve perfection and build the perfect church.
Second, denominations exist because of our effort to get closer to the truth of the Word of God. Martin Luther broke from the Catholic church and introduced to the world the concept of salvation by grace. John Wesley broke from the Church of England and found that preaching to small groups created a Christ centered bond that was rare in the established church. Christianity is better off today because we do have many denominations. It is evidence that we are moving forward with the acknowledgment that we have not figured out all the details.
Third, the separation that exists between denominations only exists between individuals who choose to separate themselves based on differences. I meet once per week with a group of Christians of different denominations. We pray in the name of Jesus. There is no separation based on denomination. Even if denominational differences come up they are not deal breakers. We believe in the same core doctrine and that is what brings us together as Christians.
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/16/2008 6:20:04 AM
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God expects us to study His word and to know true doctrine. When a person believes the doctrine he embraces, he wants to share it with others.
Acts 2
42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Romans 6
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 16
17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Ephesians 4
14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
1 Timothy 4
16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
2 Timothy 4
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Titus 1
7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
2 John 1
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Jude 1
3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
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RE: Why do we have the need... - 5/16/2008 10:38:25 AM
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We have so many doctrines because no one will admit my doctrine is 100% correct.
That...is the bottom line.
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