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in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 6:59:37 PM
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cantckaja
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ok, so here is the deal. over the past year or so i have been regularly smoking pot. i have been struggling as a christian whether i should stop or not. i know this may seem like an easy answer, but some things to consider. aside from it being against the law, do you think it is MORALLY wrong? when i smoke i do not get blasphemous or anything like that, if anything i think more about God and have longer and more in-depth conversations with other christians when i do, as if it lets me open up. i dont know if i actually feel guilty about it or if i force myself into guilt because i think i should feel guilty but really dont. any thoughts?
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:09:07 PM
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Liveloved
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My advice is ask Him, not us.
If you want to know what you need to do, people will give you a myriad of answers. And only His answer is right.
I had the same question a few years ago. I'd begun to smoke just a few clove cigarettes. I only smoked outside. I only smoked four max per day. But I said, Lord, you show me what you would have me do. Is four cigarettes going to hurt me?
And I waited. And He answered.
So ask Him. If you are His, pleasing Him, living as He would have you live is what matters. Ask Him. 
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:18:38 PM
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cantckaja
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the thing is i've been asking and i dont know if im being answered or if i am over analyising every little thing. theres days where i say to God "please have today be the day i get my answer", so i over analyize the smallest thing. i dont know if im being answered since its wrong to give God a timeframe in the first place
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:20:52 PM
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The devil is the master of confusion. What does your gut say?
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:21:19 PM
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Kat_D
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Why do you smoke it?
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:23:29 PM
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cantckaja
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another factor is i just finished Ecclesiastes, and the message i took away is "live, enjoy life because it is short". so i dont know if i should enjoy the times like these where i am young and dont have a lot of responsibilities, or if me acting this way is causing God to hold me back until i grow up.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:26:35 PM
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cantckaja
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i smoke socially, never alone. like i said it kind of opens things up and we actually do talk about religion in a good way when we do. as far as my gut, honestly my gut feels like its saying that it is as big a deal as i make it, and i am making it a big deal when i dont need to. but then again maybe thats just what i want to tell myself
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:28:31 PM
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Kat_D
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I asked you why you smoke dope.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:31:01 PM
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cantckaja
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like i said it kind of opens things up and we actually do talk about religion in a good way when we do.
that and its relaxing
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:33:22 PM
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Kat_D
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Do you smoke it to get high?
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:36:44 PM
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If you feel like it is sin then it is sin That called the Holy Sprit convicting you! Maybe it is time to seek some other social friend like in a Bible study .etc, and see how things can look after not being in that group and feel and see how the Lords can answer you. Does it honr Him when you smoke. Pot ot any thing is a question I was alway asked. it is up to each .When it come to smoking reg cit. many feel this is a sin to. agin it what youfeel the Lord is telling you, Again it is illegal and then what has this done to you wittmess for Christ, Will you be proud of this when you are older and have children .maybe teach etc?
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 7:49:18 PM
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Hi. I am not going to tell you smoking pot is a sin, but instead am going to pose some questions and let you answer for yourself, okay? I think when we wake up in the morning as children of God, one thing we should do is ask our LORD to help us address the areas in our lives that need attention. Do you cut people off in traffic or flip them the finger? Are you critical and judgmental of others? Do you love your neighbor as yourself and the LORD with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength? Do you deal honestly with others, pay your bills on time, keep your word with others so they know you to be dependable and reliable? Do you over eat at any time? I think you see where I'm going with this. We all have areas that need attention and God's help to address. I would simply tell the LORD I enjoy smoking pot, I want to smoke pot, but I also want to live like your child. Be honest because you and the LORD are in a relationship, he promised to be near you, you gave and give your life to him hopefully consistently. Your body is God's home, and your lifestyle is a display to the world around you what being a child of God is like. Be encouraged in your walk each day and as you present yourself to the LORD, you are performing service to God.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/9/2008 8:04:32 PM
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Since you did not answer, I will assume that you smoke it to get high, change your mood, alter your mind, etc. That was why I smoked it before I knew the Lord and that is why everyone I knew smoked it.
16 "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." -Galatians 5
If you are smoking dope you are fulfilling the lust of the flesh and therefore are in contention with the Spirit. God would never be in favor of anything that separated you from His Spirit.
Smoking dope could qualify as being very similar to drunkenness and also to sorcery (derived from Greek word, "pharmakeia") which translates to using drugs.
Not to mention it is against the law, to which we, as Christians, are to submit.
If you are being strongly led to believe smoking dope is a sin, you have your answer from God.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 2:39:20 AM
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BibleL7
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The answer is given in His Word, the Bible.
Be sober minded
Submit to the governing bodies set over you
Seems if you are getting high then you are not sober minded also it is against the Law as you said.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 4:41:13 AM
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Liveloved
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another factor is i just finished Ecclesiastes, and the message i took away is "live, enjoy life because it is short". so i dont know if i should enjoy the times like these where i am young and dont have a lot of responsibilities, or if me acting this way is causing God to hold me back until i grow up.
I'd say from this (what you took away from Ecclesiastes) that you're hearing what you want to hear, what pleases you. That's not hearing God. That's listening to your 'self'. Solomon ends Ecclesiastes by saying, "The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil." Ecc 12:13-14
That's a very different take away lesson than what you'd heard which might mean you're not listening very well.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 9:19:34 AM
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ok, so here is the deal. over the past year or so i have been regularly smoking pot. i have been struggling as a christian whether i should stop or not. i know this may seem like an easy answer, but some things to consider. aside from it being against the law, do you think it is MORALLY wrong? when i smoke i do not get blasphemous or anything like that, if anything i think more about God and have longer and more in-depth conversations with other christians when i do, as if it lets me open up. i dont know if i actually feel guilty about it or if i force myself into guilt because i think i should feel guilty but really dont. any thoughts?
I can tell you looking back on my own experience, back in the day...the best thing that I can say of it was that it was a total and complete waste of time. Time I will never get back.
The answer to your question is easy. You already know the answer yourself, you are simply looking for a loophole. There is none. We do not get closer to God by altering our minds; believe me, I grew up in the sixties, when we all bought that lie. All you are doing is shutting God out, and creating an imaginary world of your own making. Getting high does not bring clarity, it brings confusion, and God is not a God of confusion.
The question is not is it okay to get high, the question is why do you need to get high?
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 9:43:01 AM
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I would like to add if you feel you are becoming addicted to the experience then there is help, and much of it can be from the Lord.
Also, think of this, how will you feel if you get caught? You are looking at the very least severe disruption of you life, and a criminal record. These things will influence the rest of your life, school, job, family ect.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 10:22:38 AM
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Godddy
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another factor is i just finished Ecclesiastes, and the message i took away is "live, enjoy life because it is short". so i dont know if i should enjoy the times like these where i am young and dont have a lot of responsibilities, or if me acting this way is causing God to hold me back until i grow up.
Dear Cantckaja, Yes Jesus wants us to be happy, but your not happy, right now your in bondage to a habit, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, we are not to defile it.
You sound like a person who loves God very much, you are feeling guilty,
God doesn't want us feeling guilty, were the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.
I smoked, pot and cigatettes, drank a little, One by one Jesus took it, there was no struggle, my cigerettes were the last to go.
I did the same thing you are doing with pot, I ask God to please rid me of this habit, "He said I did 2000 years ago.
Don't feel guilty about being human, as we draw closer to God, these things just seem to fall away, Jesus knows our weakness.
The devil is keeping you, confussed, God wants you just the way you are,
we can't change ourselves, only God can.
The wonderful news is we serve a wonderful, loving Father who thinks you are precious, trust Him to get the things out of your life he doesn't want there, It will be His timing and it will be perfect. And tell the devil to hit the road.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 10:38:48 AM
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Godddy
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another factor is i just finished Ecclesiastes, and the message i took away is "live, enjoy life because it is short". so i dont know if i should enjoy the times like these where i am young and dont have a lot of responsibilities, or if me acting this way is causing God to hold me back until i grow up.
I'd say from this (what you took away from Ecclesiastes) that you're hearing what you want to hear, what pleases you. That's not hearing God. That's listening to your 'self'. Solomon ends Ecclesiastes by saying, "The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil." Ecc 12:13-14
That's a very different take away lesson than what you'd heard which might mean you're not listening very well.
May I add you are reading a Book by a very depressed Solomon,
He had become discontended, with everything.
But he knew the truth, and he knew God was going to judge all things.
"Proverbs 3: 5,6, "Trust in the Lord with all your Heart; lean not on your own understanding acknowledge Him in every way, and He will direct your path.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 2:05:18 PM
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God wants you just the way you are
Is there a place in the Bible that says that? Don't take it badly, i'm just curious because we often say that God loves us as we are but is it biblical?
Thanks
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 2:19:59 PM
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ok, so here is the deal. over the past year or so i have been regularly smoking pot. i have been struggling as a christian whether i should stop or not. i know this may seem like an easy answer, but some things to consider. aside from it being against the law, do you think it is MORALLY wrong? when i smoke i do not get blasphemous or anything like that, if anything i think more about God and have longer and more in-depth conversations with other christians when i do, as if it lets me open up. i dont know if i actually feel guilty about it or if i force myself into guilt because i think i should feel guilty but really dont. any thoughts?
I am sooo glad I joined this board!!!
I have been an avid maryj smoker since I was 18 (now 30).
Although there is nothing in the bible that specifically says that smoking maryj is wrong, there is something in there (don't know the book or verse) that states something similar to our bodies being temples and we shouldn't do anything to damage that..(i.e. drugs, alcohol, tattoos..etc.). I think anything that can cloud our judgement isn't the best.
Well..even after I gave my life to Christ, I still smoked on the regular. I was completely CONSUMED by it.. had to have it..that's when I knew something wasn't right!! It became more of an addiction than a past time. I fasted and prayed for God to deliver me from it and HE DID!!! I am no longer addicted to it...but I get a craving for it every now and then...
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 3:20:55 PM
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Kat_D
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God doesn't want us feeling guilty,
Unless the guilt we are feeling is from the Holy Spirit's conviction of sin...that kind of "guilt" should not be ignored. Guilt over past sins that have been forgiven is the destructive kind.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/10/2008 10:45:58 PM
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ddave12000
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The simple answer, assuming you live in the United States, is that it's illegal. Therefore by possessing it and smoking it, you are breaking the law and sinning by doing so.
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RE: in need of some help/advice - 7/11/2008 4:13:42 AM
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The thing that caught my eye is that you always do this socially. That means that every time you light up a joint, you are with others who are watching your walk with Christ. What kind of witness are you giving? That it's okay for a Christian to ignore the law?
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