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Petula4God -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 9:07:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: james6378

Please understand, I am no way stating that I support homosexuality; however, there actually are documented cases of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.

Study by the National Geographic


But it still doesn't connect in my mind to humans.

There are many starving people in Africa, and they don't eat their young, like certain animals do.

Animals do a lot of things people would and could never do. We are not made the same.

Time to pray. Actually, I am going to be fasting breakfast tomorrow.

Hope some of you will join me.



figmentPez -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 9:07:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: james6378

Please understand, I am no way stating that I support homosexuality; however, there actually are documented cases of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.

Study by the National Geographic


That doesn't make it any more "natural" than murder, theft, promiscuity and dozens of other sins that are witnessed in animals. For one, humans are not animals. For a second, we have no idea how much of an effect the fall had on the world and the behavior of it's other inhabitants. Homosexuality is unnatural because it is not part of the nature that God made us with, and it is not part of the way God designed us humans to be. It has nothing to do with the biosphere that scientists often call "nature".



Petula4God -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 9:10:26 PM)

Brooklynsblessed1, the vote is tomorrow... correct?



brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 9:19:03 PM)

^^^June 6th, and although this site doesn't link to petitions, you can use your Yahoo, AOL, Google type search engines to locate your two senators , congressman, etc. or usually the League of Women Voters for instance might have a way for you to search by zipcode to email your reps. Don't think politicians minds aren't changing even old-time liberal gay supporters like Hillary Clinton, John Edwards & John Kerry have walked away from the gay altar. John Kerry very strongly chiding Mass. dems in the process.

A Petition to Members of the 109th Congress Opposing Homosexual Marriage Is Having An Affect!

The new 109th Congress will be voting on the Marriage Protection Amendment, a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as being only between one man and one woman.

Christian groups, churches & individuals joint efforts are paying off. Opposition to legalizing homosexual marriage continues to grow. According to a recent poll, those opposing homosexual marriage has gone up 10 percentage points in the last year! Kansas recently became the latest state to put a homosexual marriage ban into their constitution by a margin of 70 to 30.

Christian groups presented over 2 million petitions to the 108th Congress and they had a big impact. They want to increase that to 3,000,000 for the new 109th Congress.



SonInMe1 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 9:42:17 PM)

As far as I know animal homosexuality is usually from the dominant male to the lesser males in the group as a sign of power. It happened that way with our barn cats. Also, the sign of a cow being in heat was another cow simulating sex, jumping a cow in heat. I am not sure that is homosexual but it is two same sex individuals in agroup at least simulating it.

There is much attention from the church toward the homosexual agenda because the homosexual agenda has become more and more "influential".



Petula4God -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 10:46:26 PM)

Thanks brooklynsblessed1...I don't know if California or just me has been a little in the dark about this, because as I stated, California voted and won against homosexual marriage I think somewhere around ten years ago. And marriage, according to law, is defined as one man, one woman. It's sad that judges would try to overturn a vote.

Time for me to get caught up on the situation.

And, as far as homosexual behavior in animals, scientists see these things as anomalies (not within the normal realm of nature)...just thought I'd point that out.



james6378 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 11:12:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: figmentPez

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ORIGINAL: james6378

Please understand, I am no way stating that I support homosexuality; however, there actually are documented cases of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.

Study by the National Geographic


That doesn't make it any more "natural" than murder, theft, promiscuity and dozens of other sins that are witnessed in animals. For one, humans are not animals. For a second, we have no idea how much of an effect the fall had on the world and the behavior of it's other inhabitants. Homosexuality is unnatural because it is not part of the nature that God made us with, and it is not part of the way God designed us humans to be. It has nothing to do with the biosphere that scientists often call "nature".


Oh, don't get me wrong. Animals eat their young. They randomly eat each other. Animals killing one another is pretty much an accepted fact. I agree, it doesn't make homosexuality natural or right. I was just saying that yes, it does sometimes occur with animals. Doesn't make it right...just thought it was interesting.



kapowski -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/23/2006 11:29:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1
By the way the enemy is trying to cause lots of confusion on these issues; and many are duped & unknowingly distracting from Christian unity.
but how exactly do you know which side you're on? as far as I can recall, The Bible never told us to go forth and keep "the gays" from marrying. where are you getting this idea from?

edited to say that I'm talking specifically about secular marriage regulated by the government, not to be confused with spiritual marriage before God.



brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 1:27:47 AM)

Christians can not support that which is an abomination. And Satan is very real & doing everything to destroy families. Homosexuality is a sin, and no born again Christian, washed in the blood of Christ could ever support gay marriage.



brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 2:04:52 AM)

^^^This is not just a hot button issue for Christians, but for Muslims, the Jewish, religious & non-religious. Please correct me if I'm wrong but in no US state are ONLY Christians allowed to vote ???? The traditional definition of marriage & non- acceptance of a homosexual marriage has been accepted in every single state where ordinary Americans can vote on the issue, with upwards of 76% of your fellow Americans saying read our lips-no gay marriage.

The hot heads are those that to promote gay nups would crash an annual White House Easter Egg hunt last month (a children's event); try & have a cross dressing actor Harvey Fierstein cross-dress as Mrs. Santa Claus in my city's annual Macy*s Thanksgiving Day Parade (A family, mainly child oriented event); or go as far as to desecrate a church & beat a priest less than a year ago at Notre Dame..however again many churches continue to reach out with love.

Priest hurt in mock gay marriage
From correspondents in Paris
June 06, 2005
From: Agence France-Presse
A PRIEST was slightly hurt at Paris's famed Notre-Dame Cathedral when clashes broke out between church security personnel and gay rights activists who performed a mock marriage of two lesbians.

About 20 members of the group Act Up entered the cathedral and proceeded to perform the mock marriage in front of baffled tourists and worshippers, according to an AFP correspondent at the scene.
One activist - dressed as a priest - pronounded the two women married, while other Act Up members chanted: "Pope Benedict XVI, homophobe, AIDS accomplice."

With security officials in pursit, they then fled the cathedral, but clashes broke out outside the Paris landmark, during which Monsignor Patrick Jacquin suffered a minor neck injury. He was treated at the scene.

The demonstration marked the first anniversary of France's first gay wedding, performed last year in the Bordeaux suburb of Begles.

The union of two men has since been declared null and void by the French courts.

Monsignor Jacquin said: "They are savages. I was pushed to the ground and trampled, kicked in the neck.

"It's a scandal for these people to lash out at me and the Pope."

He said he was considering filing charges against what he called "barbaric, odious and scandalous acts".



rlj -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 7:55:51 AM)

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I've seen this. My Dog was homosexual. No one ever believes me (aside from those who met my pup).


I'll probably burn forever for bringing this up but after watching the first season or two of south park and seeing Stan's dog, I believe you...



rlj -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 8:09:42 AM)

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It just boggles my mind that so-called Christian organizations would rather condemn homosexuals and create an atmosphere of fear and hatred that can only lead to violence against gays rather than follow Jesus' example of "eating with the tax collectors". Many of these organization have forgotten Jesus' commission to seek and save the lost and have bought into the political rhetoric of legislating behavior rather than saving souls.


That is somewhat correct. My church is nothing like you have said and such a person would probably feel as welcome as can be possible. However when opening ourselves up to church membership there are certain lifestyles we don't allow open homosexuals, open philanderers, open crack dealers, open child molesters, open murderers, open practising witches, etc. etc. because those involved in such lifestyles haven't renounced them. Those who repent and turn from such ways or are struggling to are welcomed. In regards to unrepentant sin the Apostle Paul himself said to turn such over to satan.

This thread is now starting to remind me of the one stop thread in theology....



Petula4God -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 9:47:39 AM)

I wrote something similar to this in another thread regarding that if marriage is not defined, anyone could step up and say this IS WHAT I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS; a person's "beliefs" regarding what marriage is could be endless (including polygamy and on and on and on). However, a poster said I was wrong. Well, it appears President Bush has said the same thing I did.

Quote from President Bush:

"There is no assurance that the Defense of Marriage Act (adopted by 38 states in 1996 under Clinton) will not itself be struck down by activist courts.

In that event, every state would be FORCED to recognize ANY RELATIONSHIP that judges in Boston or officials in San Francisco CHOOSE to call a marriage".

I would think The President knows more about the constitution, etc, then we do.

And why and how do judges think they can over turn what voters have already voted upon?

But, since judges are doing this and going against the law of the people, then, of course, the government has to step in.

I gather the Defense of Marriage Act is not enough for judges who are running amok.

I don't understand why these judges have not been disbarred? That makes no sense to me.



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brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 5:33:00 PM)

Panel says gay marriage legalization will impact church

WASHINGTON The president of The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty says churches and Christian schools that oppose gay marriage will face government pressure if it's legalized.
Anthony Picarello says they could be barred from firing employees with same-sex spouses, forced to give them marital benefits, or lose charitable and property tax exemptions if they refuse.Picarello and other legal experts took part in a panel discussion on the issue at the Heritage Foundation.Maggie Gallagher, who heads the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy, says opponents of gay marriage will be treated like racists if it is declared a civil right. She predicted that churches will be tempted to "mute" their marriage theology to stay out of trouble.Gallagher says unless the U-S Constitution is amended to ban gay marriage, judges will probably force states to legalize it.

SOURCE: AP



JesusLivesInYou -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 6:54:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: JesusLivesInYou

Sociable animals have been known to revert to homosexuality when there is a problem with social and/or sexual integration with other animals of the opposite sex.

Like I said, it's not completely natural, but it's not completely artificial, either.


How about some references to support this claim; please, may I, and thank you very much.

Thanks
RC


http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_practicing_homosexual_behavior



JesusLivesInYou -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 7:00:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Petula4God

To clarify my post further, I read that rats have been know to turn to homosexual behavior when their population gets too large, and that they also eat their young when their population gets too large. I don't see how that connects to people.

I couldn't find any truth to support a naturalistic approach in regards to humans on the internet.


A large amount of social characteristics are shared among mammals. Remember that I've been saying that homosexuality in animals not completely natural. It is a deviation from their soical norm, and can be attributted to a socialization problem, either on the animal's part or their environment's.



Petula4God -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 7:54:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JesusLivesInYou

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ORIGINAL: Petula4God

To clarify my post further, I read that rats have been know to turn to homosexual behavior when their population gets too large, and that they also eat their young when their population gets too large. I don't see how that connects to people.

I couldn't find any truth to support a naturalistic approach in regards to humans on the internet.


A large amount of social characteristics are shared among mammals. Remember that I've been saying that homosexuality in animals not completely natural. It is a deviation from their soical norm, and can be attributted to a socialization problem, either on the animal's part or their environment's.


Yes, JesusLivesInYou that's what I read, too. Basically, the behavior seems to occur under extreme "stress" or duress. (sp?)

But, let's not make this into a "what weird things animals do" thread. We can watch animal planet on the telly for that, and let's respect those underage who may visit here.



henny -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 8:17:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Petula4God

I wrote something similar to this in another thread regarding that if marriage is not defined, anyone could step up and say this IS WHAT I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS; a person's "beliefs" regarding what marriage is could be endless (including polygamy and on and on and on). However, a poster said I was wrong.


I suspect yoiu are refering to me. I'll spam my same response here since the other thread was closed.

There is really no legal precedent for polygamy set according to the reasoning behind the ruling for gay marriage in Mass (the only state thus far to legalize gay marriage via the courts) as there's really no comparable basis (in the form of an existing marriage) by which polygamist can argue for "equal" treatment.

Marriage as it exists legally in this country is between two people, thus while it is plausible that two men could site laws passed banning discrimination against homosexuals to argue that the country can't discriminate when it comes to marriage on the basis of gender, even if gay marriage is legalized, marriage as a legal arrangement has always been centered around 2 individuals so polygamists would still not have a very good basis to argue that they also deserve marriage. This is because there is no marriage equivalent that they could use as a basis of comparison to argue that "they" are able to marry but "we" aren't. So I don't ever see polygamy being legalized in this country via the courts. If it ever does, it would be because of legislation.

Depending on how state constitutions and laws are worded (they are all different), the case for gay marriage isn't that far fetched legally in some areas as I don't think people anticipated gay marriage when the marriage laws were written and many states did not specify "gender" at all. So in most places it's more accurate to say that both sides (both anti and pro gay marriage) are attempting to legally "redefine marriage" simply because it was never really something that was defined in this way in the first place.

Gay marriage also really says nothing about the right for incestuous marriage (or pedophilia as I'm sure someone will mention it at some point.

There are seperate laws stating that incest and pedophilia are illegal, while sodomy is legal. If incest and pedophilia suddenly some day become legal, then they might have a legal basis but I don't see this happening anytime soon.


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I would think The President knows more about the constitution, etc, then we do.


Apparently you haven't been paying attention. [;)]



SonInMe1 -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/24/2006 9:33:36 PM)

As a christian I cannot support gay marriage either as a religious ceremony or civil. However, as a christian I am not to judge the world. The world does as the world does and if it accepts civil unions then...it will only point the need for Christ even more.

I will not condone or support gay marriage in any case. I will not vote for it or support it ion any fashion. That would be impossible. That is not forcing my beliefs upon anyone else...it is me as an individual expressing my rights....just like the gay person or "weirdo" expressing their rights to support this sin.

If we don't stand up for our beliefs...who will?



blessedhope -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/25/2006 10:59:15 AM)

Last night I saw a story on the news about how there are gays out there who actually want HIV and seek out partners who have the virus. They call them bug chasers or gifters. There is a group of homosexuals out there who actually think it is desirable and cool to have HIV. They see it as daring and living on the edge. I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly want a life threatening, infectious disease. That's so twisted. I guess when you get away from God anything can happen. It's like you're mind gets taken over as well.



blessedhope -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/25/2006 11:02:53 AM)

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As a christian I cannot support gay marriage either as a religious ceremony or civil. However, as a christian I am not to judge the world. The world does as the world does and if it accepts civil unions then...it will only point the need for Christ even more.

I will not condone or support gay marriage in any case. I will not vote for it or support it ion any fashion. That would be impossible. That is not forcing my beliefs upon anyone else...it is me as an individual expressing my rights....just like the gay person or "weirdo" expressing their rights to support this sin.

If we don't stand up for our beliefs...who will?


Personally, I think this nation is heading down dangerous territory when we even see those who profess to be Christian's buying into this. If the church doesn't even stand up for what's right, we are in serious trouble. I'm not saying all Christians are like that, but there seems to be getting more and more who are bending towards acceptance of it. Even if it's just a little bit. We are to be salt and light. You'd think we could learn from what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.



trivista -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/25/2006 11:42:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedhope

Last night I saw a story on the news about how there are gays out there who actually want HIV and seek out partners who have the virus. They call them bug chasers or gifters. There is a group of homosexuals out there who actually think it is desirable and cool to have HIV. They see it as daring and living on the edge. I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly want a life threatening, infectious disease. That's so twisted. I guess when you get away from God anything can happen. It's like you're mind gets taken over as well.


In any group of people you will have sub groups that are insane. Just look at the christians who play with snakes.



rcjames -> RE: Homosexuality in the News (5/25/2006 2:57:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trivista

In any group of people you will have sub groups that are insane. Just look at the christians who play with snakes.


(Mar 16:17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

(Mar 16:18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

(Mar 16:19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Thanks
RC



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