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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 9/6/2008 4:39:08 PM
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John_O
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I agree. He also denied the other boy the opportunity to know Christ and turn his life around.
Just to stir things up. According to the OT we are to kill those who practice this deviant behavior. Why do you suppose God told the children of Israel to do so? Could it be that those who practice this behavior are contagious through molestation and God wanted to spare Israel this heartache (and stop the deviants from molesting other innocents)?
Just wondering.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 9/6/2008 7:22:00 PM
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I agree. He also denied the other boy the opportunity to know Christ and turn his life around.
Just to stir things up. According to the OT we are to kill those who practice this deviant behavior. Why do you suppose God told the children of Israel to do so? Could it be that those who practice this behavior are contagious through molestation and God wanted to spare Israel this heartache (and stop the deviants from molesting other innocents)?
Just wondering.
I think deviant sexual temptation is more common than we would be comfortable in admitting. God took a no tolerance approach because He knew that if the children of Israel thought they could get away with something they would try.
The children of Israel had just left Egypt where royalty practiced incest. Moses was raised amongst such people. It is amazing that he wrote down Leviticus 18. Heterosexual deviency was a norm where he was raised. Abraham, Sarah, Jacob, Leah and Rachel were all close relatives whose marriages would not have been allowed under the Levitical law. (Jacob could not have had Rachel while Leah was living)
If you look at the cultures of the Middle East, there is even an under current of homesexuality that exists today. The Taliban came to power in Afghanistan because they were the only people willing to stand up to warlords who were raping young men at almost at will. Bestiality is a bit more common than we would like to know about.
The children of Isreal were supposed to be different than the people who surround them hence God took a very hard line.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 9/6/2008 7:38:31 PM
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My source for the facts on Afghanistan is Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile. I do not know if the movie depicts the deviant sexual practices that were taking place in Afghanistan. Our country's foreign policy was impacted because some Afghani homosexuals were preying on others. Big fires come from small sparks.
Read the book and then do Google search on "mujahideen, homesexuality, boy lover". I wonder if this also impacts on the anti-woman aspects of some Middle Eastern cultures. THe TOS prevent me from linking this site to a lot of what you will find.
(edited for grammar and spelling)
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 9/7/2008 3:12:20 PM
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Palin church promotes converting gays
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.
Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 9/8/2008 11:51:04 AM
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Palin church promotes converting gays
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.
Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.
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So, I guess she won't be campaigning in San Francisco.... 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/5/2008 10:55:01 PM
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I had to stop and post! The way things are now..we are living in the days of Noah. Remember how bad things God said it was before He sent the flood? It is getting to that point now. Homosexuality IS a sin. You can not be a christian and be a homosexual. Unless you have been saved and truely repent! I believe that Homosexuals CAN be saved if they truely mean it in their hearts and really repents and allow God to help them to get out of that lifestyle.
We need to remember...God didn't tolerate what was going on in Sodom and He isn't going to tolerate what is happening now with the homosexual community. Somebody said that maybe God is giving them over to reprobate minds.
Romans 1:28-29 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,"
I do believe maybe He has but it doesn't mean that He is being tolerate of it. People say we should not judge others. Well, scripture has already judged them. I don't have to do any judging and I can judge the sin but scripture here has already judged them. The sad thing is...they are choosing to reject what God says about it. Satan has clearly blinded their eyes to the truth. We do know by what scripture says..that one day their eyes will be opened but then it will be all too late for them.
I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to GET aids. But, it doesn't suprise me because their minds is just filled with this sin that they can't think of anything else. I will say wickedness because it is simply that! Wickedness! We can't simply deny that.
It doesn't mean that God doesn't love them. I know He does and I am sure this breaks his heart as any sin that we can commit. That is why He died on the cross but if their is no repentence..they are missing out on the blessings that God can give. It's certainly by the own choice. One day..they are not going to miss out on his wrath because that is exactly what is going to happen. There is just no way around that unless they truelly come to know Christ as thier Savior.
:) thank for allowing me to share.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/7/2008 10:25:08 PM
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2) You're sort of implying that homosexuals are molesters and/or that homosexuality is contagious, which is hardly the case.
According to "The Gay Report" by Karla Jay and Allen Young, published in 1979 upwards of 97% of male's who practice homosexualityhad had a sexual experience with someone over the age of 18 when they were minors. IN other words 97% of homosexuals were molested.
Who were they molested by? Homosexuals.
If you futher study you find that for most of them this was their first sexual experience. The homosexuals themselves have always known that it is contagious (the North American Man Boy Love Association has an unopfficial motto fo "sex before eight or it's too late")
If you do a study of homosexual child molesters you will find that homosexuals molest at a far greater rate than heterosexuals do.
For the children's sake all homsexuals must be considered molesters.
Then we need to add the emotional and socialogical damage done to children by presenting homosexual behavioor as anything but dysfunctional and evil. Any exposure of children to homsoexual behavior is child abuse.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder caused by trauma. Therefore the trauma can be spread to others. It is contagious.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 3:01:21 PM
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2) You're sort of implying that homosexuals are molesters and/or that homosexuality is contagious, which is hardly the case.
According to "The Gay Report" by Karla Jay and Allen Young, published in 1979 upwards of 97% of male's who practice homosexualityhad had a sexual experience with someone over the age of 18 when they were minors. IN other words 97% of homosexuals were molested.
Who were they molested by? Homosexuals.
If you futher study you find that for most of them this was their first sexual experience. The homosexuals themselves have always known that it is contagious (the North American Man Boy Love Association has an unopfficial motto fo "sex before eight or it's too late")
If you do a study of homosexual child molesters you will find that homosexuals molest at a far greater rate than heterosexuals do.
For the children's sake all homsexuals must be considered molesters.
Then we need to add the emotional and socialogical damage done to children by presenting homosexual behavioor as anything but dysfunctional and evil. Any exposure of children to homsoexual behavior is child abuse.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder caused by trauma. Therefore the trauma can be spread to others. It is contagious.
What a complete and total load...
Roughly 10% of men are gay. This is true today, it was true 100, 1000, and 5000 years ago. It will be true 100, 1000, and 5000 years from now.
The reason there are more cases of homosexual child molestation is because there are more opportunities for it to occur, not because homosexuals are more prone to child molestation then heterosexuals.
When heterosexual men have the opportunity to commit risk free molestation of underage girls, they readily indulge in it.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 3:39:43 PM
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Roughly 10% of men are gay.
I've read from several sources that 10% is a figure the homosexual community essentially made up to somehow gain more acceptance and that the true figure is more like 3%.
I know it's anecdotal, but nowhere near 10% of the men I've known in my 56 years were homosexual or they still live in the closet.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 5:21:11 PM
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I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 5:32:27 PM
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Roughly 10% of men are gay.
I've read from several sources that 10% is a figure the homosexual community essentially made up to somehow gain more acceptance and that the true figure is more like 3%.
I know it's anecdotal, but nowhere near 10% of the men I've known in my 56 years were homosexual or they still live in the closet.
I believe the 10% number is inflated, but I'm not sure what the real number is.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 10:36:58 PM
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I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
50 years from now we will look back at the gay marriage ban the way we now look at segregation and inter-racial marriage laws. Not supporting gay marriage (even though I support Gay marriage), just telling it like it is.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 10:52:08 PM
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I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
50 years from now we will look back at the gay marriage ban the way we now look at segregation and inter-racial marriage laws. Not supporting gay marriage (even though I support Gay marriage), just telling it like it is.
No we wont.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 10:52:33 PM
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I know it's anecdotal, but nowhere near 10% of the men I've known in my 56 years were homosexual or they still live in the closet.
I can't think of more than a handful of people I've know in my 54 years that were devout Christians, yet I assume many of them were.
You just need better gaydar.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/10/2008 11:26:30 PM
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I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
50 years from now we will look back at the gay marriage ban the way we now look at segregation and inter-racial marriage laws. Not supporting gay marriage (even though I support Gay marriage), just telling it like it is.
Seeing as most if nto all of the Civil Rights crowd (Revs Sharpton and Jackson even) are greatly offended when pro-sodomy (err sorry pro homosexuality) try to claim themselves as the next civil rights movement, I doubt this very much. Civil rights was good because the discrimination because of the color of ones skin goes against the teachings of the bible. However the bible is very very very clear that homosexuality is a perversion. And yes I DO and WOULD support laws against homosexuality (to be fair I would support criminal laws against adultery, polygamy and premarital sex too).
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 12:27:28 AM
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I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
50 years from now we will look back at the gay marriage ban the way we now look at segregation and inter-racial marriage laws. Not supporting gay marriage (even though I support Gay marriage), just telling it like it is.
Seeing as most if nto all of the Civil Rights crowd (Revs Sharpton and Jackson even) are greatly offended when pro-sodomy (err sorry pro homosexuality) try to claim themselves as the next civil rights movement, I doubt this very much. Civil rights was good because the discrimination because of the color of ones skin goes against the teachings of the bible. However the bible is very very very clear that homosexuality is a perversion. And yes I DO and WOULD support laws against homosexuality (to be fair I would support criminal laws against adultery, polygamy and premarital sex too).
This is a secular society and a secular government. What the Bible states about homosexuality is no more relevant then what the bible says about the proper treatment of slaves or the punishment for raping a virgin.
There will never again be laws about any type of sex between two consenting adults except in backwards Islamic theocracies.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 12:48:45 AM
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Our country and government were founded on Christian principles. The revisionist version of our history is a lie.
Acceptance of homosexuality ties into the loss of morals and the decline of a society. This has risen up for very short periods of time before and has been swept away as people rediscover essential truths.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 2:37:16 AM
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I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
50 years from now we will look back at the gay marriage ban the way we now look at segregation and inter-racial marriage laws. Not supporting gay marriage (even though I support Gay marriage), just telling it like it is.
Seeing as most if nto all of the Civil Rights crowd (Revs Sharpton and Jackson even) are greatly offended when pro-sodomy (err sorry pro homosexuality) try to claim themselves as the next civil rights movement, I doubt this very much. Civil rights was good because the discrimination because of the color of ones skin goes against the teachings of the bible. However the bible is very very very clear that homosexuality is a perversion. And yes I DO and WOULD support laws against homosexuality (to be fair I would support criminal laws against adultery, polygamy and premarital sex too).
This is a secular society and a secular government. What the Bible states about homosexuality is no more relevant then what the bible says about the proper treatment of slaves or the punishment for raping a virgin.
There will never again be laws about any type of sex between two consenting adults except in backwards Islamic theocracies.
Actually, if the British Empire (and America by relation) followed what the bible said about slavery, then things would have been a lot better. And seeing as the bible all but says to the rapist "Marry her and treat her right; or die" I actually think that might be a good solution.
And laws against "concenting" adults having sex actually would be a good thing. Seeing as premarital sex, adultery and homosexuality all lead a unrepentant heart/soul to hell, by having those laws, maybe just maybe it would stop a few people from committing those sins.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 8:44:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: HisLamb26
I'm curious how many folks here on this sight think this is an indication that Conservative Christians are losing ground in the so-called "culture wars"?
This is the third state, and I doubt this will end in CT.
(perhaps that question is better suited to its own thread...??)
50 years from now we will look back at the gay marriage ban the way we now look at segregation and inter-racial marriage laws. Not supporting gay marriage (even though I support Gay marriage), just telling it like it is.
Seeing as most if nto all of the Civil Rights crowd (Revs Sharpton and Jackson even) are greatly offended when pro-sodomy (err sorry pro homosexuality) try to claim themselves as the next civil rights movement, I doubt this very much. Civil rights was good because the discrimination because of the color of ones skin goes against the teachings of the bible. However the bible is very very very clear that homosexuality is a perversion. And yes I DO and WOULD support laws against homosexuality (to be fair I would support criminal laws against adultery, polygamy and premarital sex too).
Actually, the gay rights people are looking at this as a civil rights issue.
I've been in contact with one person out of Charlotte, NC and he thinks this way.
The Soulforce Equality riders recently came through here, trying to make out the banning of homosexuality on Christian campuses to be a civil rights issue.
I don't see it that way, but I'm just saying that this is how they see it.
Incidentally, I think gay marriage should be left up to the church to decide, not the government.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 10:11:40 AM
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Incidentally, I think gay marriage should be left up to the church to decide, not the government.
Churches are already free to marry or not marry anyone they like. Many people don't get married in a church.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 10:39:53 AM
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Our country and government were founded on Christian principles. The revisionist version of our history is a lie.
So why are the words "God", "Jesus", "Christian", "Christianity", or "Christ" never mentioned once in the entire Constitution of the United States?
The word "religion" is mention once, where the 1st amendment says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
This is a constitutional government, not a theocracy. Would you prefer the constitution of the United States be thrown out and replaced with the Bible?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 10/11/2008 11:08:02 AM
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Seeing as most if nto all of the Civil Rights crowd (Revs Sharpton and Jackson even) are greatly offended when pro-sodomy (err sorry pro homosexuality) try to claim themselves as the next civil rights movement, I doubt this very much. Civil rights was good because the discrimination because of the color of ones skin goes against the teachings of the bible. However the bible is very very very clear that homosexuality is a perversion. And yes I DO and WOULD support laws against homosexuality (to be fair I would support criminal laws against adultery, polygamy and premarital sex too).
I'd be willing to bet that in the 60s there were plenty of southern folks from the woman's suffrage movement of the 20s that supported segregation and were opposed to inter-racial marriage.
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