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TheosCentric -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (7/21/2007 6:52:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ephraim

quote:

ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger

Um, lots of people in foreign countries receive marks on their hands when they go to vote. That argument is void.


I'm not speaking of just any vote. One specific election is all I have
mentioned. The election that made Mahmoud Abbas President of the
Palestinian Authority in January of 2005.

I don't follow your logic. WOEphraim

Other elections in other countries use marks on hands to prove someone has voted. Does that make the elected leader of those countries the beast or anti-christ? Besides, this mark was given before Abbas was elected. On another note, were the people able to buy or sell with/without the mark?



wintery -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (7/23/2007 6:48:55 PM)

I think I took that mark to enter DisneyWorld that time. True, I could buy or sell, or just walk around a lot.

Will the antichrist have people standing in line a lot?

Lighten up, eph. Would you like me to go over the list of failed antichrist predictions? They are many.



Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (7/26/2007 10:26:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger

Other elections in other countries use marks on hands to prove someone has voted. Does that make the elected leader of those countries the beast or anti-christ? Besides, this mark was given before Abbas was elected. On another note, were the people able to buy or sell with/without the mark?


Hamas did not receive the mark.
They boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas.
Therefore , when money is being given, only Fatah
loyalists are being paid. Hamas is being bypassed.
They cannot buy or sell because they are not receiving wages.
WOEphraim



mikeman2 -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (8/2/2007 3:19:43 AM)

I know this is a little off topic but I was watching a documentory on Nostrodomus. In it they showed that Nostrodomus predicted three anti-christs. The first was named Napolon for Napolean. The second was named Hister for Hitler. The third was named Maubus. When I heard the name Mahmoud Abbas for the first time a cold chill went down my back. Could this be the last one spoken of by Nostrodomus?

Edit: I am in no way attempting to elevate Nostrodomus to the rands of Biblical prophets. In fact, he seems to have been wrong about a good many things. However, it is also apparent to me that he did see some things.



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (8/2/2007 6:32:51 AM)

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Hamas did not receive the mark.
They boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas.
Therefore , when money is being given, only Fatah
loyalists are being paid. Hamas is being bypassed.
They cannot buy or sell because they are not receiving wages.
Problem... The merchants in Palestine aren't honoring the mark, they are honoring money... and there are multitudes of ways to get money. Remember that right now there is somewhere around 300,000,000 people who claim to be "Fundamentalist" Islam. If that is true, then there are 300 million possible wallets sending money into Palestine. So the theory is kind of [boloney] when you break it down, because Hamas still gets money from sympathizers in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. Basically the crotch of this situation is that just because they aren't getting money from the Government doesn't mean they can't buy and sell.
quote:

I know this is a little off topic but I was watching a documentory on Nostrodomus. In it they showed that Nostrodomus predicted three anti-christs. The first was named Napolon for Napolean. The second was named Hister for Hitler. The third was named Maubus. When I heard the name Mahmoud Abbas for the first time a cold chill went down my back. Could this be the last one spoken of by Nostrodomus?

Edit: I am in no way attempting to elevate Nostrodomus to the rands of Biblical prophets. In fact, he seems to have been wrong about a good many things. However, it is also apparent to me that he did see some things.
Is it possible? Yes. Can anyone get lucky from time to time? Yes. Is it interestingly spooky? Yes. Does that actually mean squat? Not really. Until the guy signs a 7 year treaty that puts him on top of the world, I'm not going to be accusing anyone of being The Anti-christ anytime soon.

Adam

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Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (8/3/2007 5:23:29 PM)

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Until the guy signs a 7 year treaty that puts him on top of the world, I'm not going to be accusing anyone of being The Anti-christ anytime soon.

Adam


If your not ready now you will never be.

Of course money is being smuggled into Gaza.
The Western Nations do not want Hamas to receive
aid because it will end up supplying terrorists with arms.
Iran and Syria do that already. But since the Unity Government
was dissolved by Abbas the borders have been shut down and only
humanitarian items have been getting through. Thousands of Gazans
have lost their jobs. It doesn't take too long without a job or aid before
the average person begins to starve and all hell breaks loose. Gaza
and the West Bank seem very different now, but they will find a way
to once again join forces. There are five toes of clay and five of iron.
Hamas is iron and Fatah is clay. The beast is composed of 7 nations
and they will all come against Israel in the final battle. It takes two
opposing forces to have a war. Ephraim



Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (9/28/2007 7:35:14 PM)

For all those who like less detailed explanations.
Here is an abreviated version of my starter thread. Have a nice day...
Explanation 666

On June 16, 2006 a program was enacted that allowed money to flow
through one man,Mahmoud Abbas, in order to pay the salaries of his
people. He empowered his people (Fatah) to buy and sell simply
because he was allowed to receive and disperse funds. Hamas was
prevented from receiving aid from Abbas. This fulfills Revelation 13.
Hamas boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore they
did not receive the mark. Only Fatah got the mark, and only Fatah is
receving money from Abbas. Therefore, Hamas cannot buy and sell
because they did not receive the mark. Here is another way to view it.
By not receiving salaries they were prevented from buying and selling.

So here is the interpretation that I am describing. No man can buy and
sell unless he has the mark, the number of his name, or his name. The
men being referred to are the Palestinians, not the whole world. The
funds in question are the Western donations that used to go to the PA
but were stopped after Hamas took over the Government. The Mark was
an indelible ink mark applied to the right hand during the Palestinian
Presidential Election. Make any sense? Ephraim



Aleric -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (9/29/2007 12:11:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warrior5181

The mark of the beast is not a physical mark. Scripture tells us there will be a mark IN the forehead or on the hand. All this means is that you either have the teachings of man in your mind, as opposed to the scripture, or your hands will do the work of man as opposed to the wok of God. Six is the number of mankind. Everything associate with man is represented by the number six. Man was created on the sixth day, man works six days, etc.....For those of you who think 666 is a physical mark, may I recommend you stop watching the "Left Behind" movies, and start reading and understanding scripture.


I have to say, Wow.
Thats very interesting. If thats true of the mark then its already a global epidemic.

But what of the word that says, whoever receives the mark can not be saved and is bound for hell?



chalkstc -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (9/29/2007 11:54:16 AM)

Warrior,

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.....For those of you who think 666 is a physical mark, may I recommend you stop watching the "Left Behind" movies, and start reading and understanding scripture.


This is up for grabs. What was the mark God placed upon Cain? It must have been able to be seen.

And how will the saints be persecuted for not having the mark? Our's is a seal of the HS. It also is in the forehead and hand, but not visable.

Those with the mark will know who the saints are, for they will not have a visable one.

Again, no one knows until the time. But note the difference in the Greek terms for "mark" versus our "seal". They are not interchangable. The mark is closer to tattoo, inscribed in the flesh, where the seal is inscribed on the heart.

This has nothing to do with the "Left behind" crowd, for they do not even believe we will be here.

Frankie



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (9/30/2007 4:50:22 AM)

First off......... why are we resurrecting this thread? Secondly, if you are willing to take the 6 being the number of man to a rather obvious extreme, then anyone who is human already has "the mark of the beast"... which isn't exactly copacetic with the idea of "taking the mark". Ending up with the mark of the beast will not be accidental. There will not be anyone in the end times who wakes up, finds a strange looking smudge on their forehead and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!" The only people that get the mark of the beast will be the people that wanted it. Thirdly, why WOULDN"T it be a physical mark? Okay, you can make a heck of an argument that it is a spooky/spacey spiritualistic idea, but you still need to explain why it won't or CAN'T be a physical mark. So we have two theories about the generalities of the mark... the first being that it is a literal mark, the second being that it is spiritual and symbolic. Someone needs to clarify why one CANNOT be true...

Adam



Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/13/2008 9:48:23 PM)

Why is Mahmoud Abbas the Beast of Revelation 13?

The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the
meaning of Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed.
If the wrong people are associated with the prophecies of Revelation
13 its answer can never be found. The people being referred to in
Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is decided three questions
have to be answered; why, how and who.

Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government,
Western Aid was discontinued.

How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?
Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism
that bypasses the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program
was established on Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents
the day that one man was allowed to administer a program that paid the
salaries of his people. This is an amazing coincidence. There are only
three days in ten years that end with three sixes; June 6, June 16, and
June 26.

Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
Salaries will be paid through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.

Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did
not receive the mark?

Hamas boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas in January 2005;
therefore they did not receive the indelible ink mark to their right hands.
All salaries are being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas.
Hamas will not honor the image of Mahmoud Abbas. The image of
Mahmoud Abbas is required by the international community to continue
peace talks with Israel. This image is three items that represent Abbas
and his Government; the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements
with Israel, the renunciation of terror as a means to an end, and a two-
state solution based on the 1967 borders prior to the six-day war.


Three items point to the Beast of Revelation 13: his mark, his number
and his name. WOEphraim



TheosCentric -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/14/2008 6:24:41 AM)

Oh boy. [8|] Here we go again...

I'm curious as to how many got that "indelible ink mark" still have that "indelible ink mark" representing the "mark of the beast"



cybrjewls -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/14/2008 12:17:53 PM)

LOL!!!
quote:

ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger

Oh boy. [8|] Here we go again...

I'm curious as to how many got that "indelible ink mark" still have that "indelible ink mark" representing the "mark of the beast"



TheosCentric -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/14/2008 1:40:27 PM)

I would have thought they would have washed their hands by now. Or did Israel cut off the water supply again?



Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/15/2008 7:14:48 PM)

quote:

ccoppenbarger:
Oh boy. Here we go again...

I'm curious as to how many got that "indelible ink mark" still have that "indelible ink mark" representing the "mark of the beast"

I already know what you think, ccoppenbarger. I don't need to keep hearing it.
If you feel all your ridicule will discourage me, you don't know me too well.


Question:
The beast of Revelation 13 is associated with various items by which
he can be identified. One of these is:

" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,
and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months".

How did Mahmoud Abbas fulfill this prophecy? How would you fit the 42
months time period, as used by John, in the life of Mahmoud Abbas?

Answer:
Mahmoud Abbas does not fulfill this 42 month prophecy, Yasser Arafat does.
The first beast of Revelation and the little horn was Yasser Arafat. The 42
months were fulfilled in the first three and a half years of the Oslo
Accords. This happened between 1993 and 1997. Negotiations were going
well and both sides were making progress during this time. Arafat's leadership
seemed to be providing results as Israel continued to transfer
land and security control back to the Palestinians. In the second half of the
seven years that ended in Sept. 2000, the good will began to break down
and terrorism stifled the whole process. The second intifada started, shortly
after the failure at Camp David, and not much has happened every since.

Naturally, when Yasser Arafat died in November of 2004, he had to be
replaced. Mahmoud Abbas became that replacement. He stepped into the
position of the first beast simply by being elected Palestinian President.
The second beast of Revelation entered the picture when Hamas won the
the elections of Jan. 2006. When Hamas won the election, the Government
of the Palestinian Authority became the two-horned second beast. These
two horns represent two kings within the same Palestinian Authority that do
not agree on the image of Mahmoud Abbas.
This image of Mahmoud Abbas and his Government are three issues that
represent the old Palestinian Authority. These must be implemented to allow
a peace process to continue with Israel. Hamas must recognize Israel,
abide by old agreements and renounce terrorism. This is the image of Abbas;
the second beast of Revelation. If these ideas are not followed, honored or
worshipped; those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King
James Bible translators. It also means to honor.

Now combined with the first post, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Abbas is
that second beast and he has fulfilled the prophecy of 666 as I have described.
Thanks for your question, anonymous.

WOEphraim



cybrjewls -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/15/2008 7:59:29 PM)

Greetings Ephraim! Please notice that neither Abbas, nor Arafat publicly blasphemed God for 42 months or 1260 days or 3 1/2 years straight while trampling the Holy City Jerusalem at the Testimony of two witnesses, and there was not, yet, found a false worldly messiah that arose to subdue 3 worldwide leaders of the total of 10 worldwide leaders that were written about and implemented the mark of the beast trial upon the whole world and goes to war against the saints of the Most High. Therefore, neither can be the one embodiment of the false prophet leader that was to come as written.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ephraim

quote:

ccoppenbarger:
Oh boy. Here we go again...

I'm curious as to how many got that "indelible ink mark" still have that "indelible ink mark" representing the "mark of the beast"

I already know what you think, ccoppenbarger. I don't need to keep hearing it.
If you feel all your ridicule will discourage me, you don't know me too well.


Question:
The beast of Revelation 13 is associated with various items by which
he can be identified. One of these is:

" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,
and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months".

How did Mahmoud Abbas fulfill this prophecy? How would you fit the 42
months time period, as used by John, in the life of Mahmoud Abbas?

Answer:
Mahmoud Abbas does not fulfill this 42 month prophecy, Yasser Arafat does.
The first beast of Revelation and the little horn was Yasser Arafat. The 42
months were fulfilled in the first three and a half years of the Oslo
Accords. This happened between 1993 and 1997. Negotiations were going
well and both sides were making progress during this time. Arafat's leadership
seemed to be providing results as Israel continued to transfer
land and security control back to the Palestinians. In the second half of the
seven years that ended in Sept. 2000, the good will began to break down
and terrorism stifled the whole process. The second intifada started, shortly
after the failure at Camp David, and not much has happened every since.

Naturally, when Yasser Arafat died in November of 2004, he had to be
replaced. Mahmoud Abbas became that replacement. He stepped into the
position of the first beast simply by being elected Palestinian President.
The second beast of Revelation entered the picture when Hamas won the
the elections of Jan. 2006. When Hamas won the election, the Government
of the Palestinian Authority became the two-horned second beast. These
two horns represent two kings within the same Palestinian Authority that do
not agree on the image of Mahmoud Abbas.
This image of Mahmoud Abbas and his Government are three issues that
represent the old Palestinian Authority. These must be implemented to allow
a peace process to continue with Israel. Hamas must recognize Israel,
abide by old agreements and renounce terrorism. This is the image of Abbas;
the second beast of Revelation. If these ideas are not followed, honored or
worshipped; those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King
James Bible translators. It also means to honor.

Now combined with the first post, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Abbas is
that second beast and he has fulfilled the prophecy of 666 as I have described.
Thanks for your question, anonymous.

WOEphraim



.IC. -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/15/2008 8:10:49 PM)

Hey All & Hi Prophetica/Ephraim,,

quote:

and there was not, yet, found a false worldly messiah that arose to subdue 3 worldwide leaders of the total of 10 worldwide leaders that were written about and implemented the mark of the beast trial upon the whole world and goes to war against the saints of the Most High. Therefore, neither can be the one embodiment of the false prophet leader that was to come as written.


W


Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless



.IC. -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (1/15/2008 9:40:19 PM)

Hey All & Hi Ephraim,,

I think there is some substances in what you are writting about and after reading your posts and doing some extra .coming,, fulfillment of the second beast of the earth may be taking place as you say in Mahmoud Abbas.

Sometimes a picture can be seen better by taking a few steps back to see it's full image. Take for example the Peace deal that's getting pushed at present.

i do find these article rather interesting in relation to what you are saying in your posts-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_Passport
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_051110bethlehempassport.shtml
http://www.southwark.tv/beth/bethPassport.asp

Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless



Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (3/15/2008 5:42:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey All & Hi Ephraim,,

I think there is some substances in what you are writting about and after reading your posts and doing some extra .coming,, fulfillment of the second beast of the earth may be taking place as you say in Mahmoud Abbas.

Sometimes a picture can be seen better by taking a few steps back to see it's full image. Take for example the Peace deal that's getting pushed at present.


God Bless


I'm glad there are some who see the validity in what I present.

Christians are very stubborn. Very little I say makes any sense
to them. Ironically, very little I see from them makes any sense
to me. My message isn't just for Christians though. It is very
successful in non-Christian communities. Congratulations on
making God's word correct as always. He will come as a thief.
Everyone have a nice Easter. WOE



cybrjewls -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (3/17/2008 1:03:20 AM)

Greetings! Please notice that peacemakers are called blessed by God for they are Sons of The Living God in Heaven as written in Jesus' words in the Gospels of Grace. For it is written: a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. For everyone who sins is a slave to sin. For if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. Also, it is helpful to understand the prophecy of the angel regarding Ishmael, He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. And the prophecy of Isaac regarding Esau: Your dwelling will be away from the earth's richness, away from the dew of heaven above.You will live by the sword and you will serve your brother. But when you grow restless, you will throw his yoke from off your neck. Therefore, we see that the Ottoman Empire came. up for a time, according to the word spoken by Isaac.

The false worldly prophet will make economic and religious warfare on the saints of God Most High worldwide during the mark of the false worldly prophets number of his name on the foreheads and hands of the people period of time in the future to come eventually so that they cannot buy or sell without the mark and they will be killed, if found without it.
quote:

ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey All & Hi Ephraim,,

I think there is some substances in what you are writting about and after reading your posts and doing some extra .coming,, fulfillment of the second beast of the earth may be taking place as you say in Mahmoud Abbas.

Sometimes a picture can be seen better by taking a few steps back to see it's full image. Take for example the Peace deal that's getting pushed at present.

i do find these article rather interesting in relation to what you are saying in your posts-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_Passport
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_051110bethlehempassport.shtml
http://www.southwark.tv/beth/bethPassport.asp

Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless



Ephraim -> RE: The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas (5/8/2008 3:33:17 PM)

Why are there so many different interpretations of prophecy?

Instead of applying the appropriate scripture to today's current
events, Christians wait on their version of events to come true.

Wouldn't it be better to lay aside interpretations from the dead
and begin to trust our own eyes? Ephraim



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