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LoyalGypsy -> RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? (4/24/2005 8:59:18 PM)
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ORIGINAL: HeadHome
In post #2, S. Benedict said:
The historic Christian practice of asking our departed brothers and sisters in Christ—the saints—for their intercession has come under attack in the last few hundred years. Though the practice dates to the earliest days of Christianity and is shared by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the other Eastern Christians, and even some Anglicans.
—Meaning that all-told it is shared by more than three quarters of the Christians on earth—it still comes under heavy attack from many within the Protestant movement that started in the sixteenth century.
...And I'm one of the attackers. But as a God-blessed, nondenominational, evangelical, fundemental, Scripture-loving Protestant, I tip my hat to you, S. Benedict. I have no interest in converting to Catholicism. But in order to explain the reasons why I disagree with your conclusion, I will have to do some research. To me, that's a mark of an excellent post - it made me think, meditate, examine, and pray about why I oppose your suggestion that Christians should ask the dead in Christ to pray for us. More to come...
Greetings,
[q] I have no interest in converting to Catholicism. But in order to explain the reasons why I disagree with your conclusion, I will have to do some research. To me, that's a mark of an excellent post - it made me think, meditate, examine, and pray about why I oppose your suggestion that Christians should ask the dead in Christ to pray for us. More to come... [/q]
It is very hard to research the three and one half years the disciples walked with Christ and the 12 years Jesus spent quoting the Torah to determined where any viable information, that can be found.
Either from the Mouth of Christ or written in the Torah that the living conversed with the dead, Unless Saul was just kidding when he sought the sorceress, and even that brought destruction upon his family.
And again it did not free the rich man from Hades.
Again in the symbolism of Lazarus and the rich man, the dead is speaking to the dead and no where was it mentioned that the souls in heaven would relay that message.
When the rich man cried out to Abraham and asked him to tell his family about his pain in Hades
The reply in the message given to the rich man on the behalf of those who are alive was to seek Moses and the prophets or in other words “the word of God.”
Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
According to the verse above, the dead can’t walk up to me on any given day and give to me out of the kindness of their hearts or of their possessions as to be led by God to do so.
Unless of course you were mentioned in a will or something like that.
But, then again one can not give thanks to dead ears. God is a living God.
“For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you”
If this applies to the dead then the only thing they have to offer is death, pressed down, shaken together, and running over.
One must remember that God in the beginning “saw that it was good” so I am quite sure God also possesses the “other 4 senses.”
Loyal Gypsy
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