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RE: Bible Codes - 4/2/2008 3:44:03 PM
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Historymaker93
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Can some1 explain this to me in a brief summary? I am still very young but i am interested. If you are going to explain this to me please make it simple. Thx 
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RE: Bible Codes - MATH not MYTH - 4/2/2008 10:34:53 PM
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sure, behold, I'll help you with the math...
but post #99 should already tell you that I am not likely to be swayed by silly self-fulfilling exercises...
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/2/2008 11:29:41 PM
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I have read every single post and yet i still don't understand. Some of the links for the images are not working. Anyways if no one wants to help then its ok 
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/3/2008 1:31:05 AM
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/3/2008 1:38:56 AM
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A fun little quote:
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Can a computer really read the mind of God? Apparently. For on this theory God dictated in His favorite language, Hebrew, a set of words that are more or less intelligible if taken at face value, containing stories of creation, floods, fratricide, wars, miracles, and so on, with many moral messages. But this Hebrew God chose his words carefully, encoding the Bible with prophecies and messages of absolutely no religious value.
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RE: Bible Codes - MATH not MYTH - 4/3/2008 9:44:18 AM
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A_Name_Written
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ORIGINAL: oldmethuselah
sure, behold, I'll help you with the math...
but post #99 should already tell you that I am not likely to be swayed by silly self-fulfilling exercises...
I don't recall my password, so I've had to come up with a new Login.
It's been a VERY long time since I've posted on here, heck, up until about a week ago, I wasn't even visiting the forums. What a neat coincidense :)
Anyway, I am writing some software that does the following:
1. Allow the user to create a library of "Search Terms" from a text file, or from an html. The idea being to use the internet to create words straight from the headlines, and allow the user to search for those words in a matrix. Also, browsing to a site like wikipedia and creating a Library from, say, an article on the September 11 attacks, would help the user to "target" a particular subject for searching a matrix.
2. Allow the user to create a Matrix from a text or html file. The idea here is to TEST whether or not codes found in the bible, are just as easily found in other texts.
I'm adding other "goodies", especially to help others SEE more of what I've found (which I won't say just yet what that is).
HOWEVER, I still need HELP figuring out the math (probability/odds of finding clusters in ANY given text)
If you are offering your help, I would put YOUR name in the credits!
Actually, I will do the same for anyone that provides help.
THANKS !!!!
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/3/2008 9:44:46 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: Historymaker93
I have read every single post and yet i still don't understand. Some of the links for the images are not working. Anyways if no one wants to help then its ok
Greetings,
What do you believe in ...Evolution or Creation?
If you believe in evolution then I will not be able to show you in part, what Bible codes are, the other speaks for itself.
The first “5 books” are words in the (FIRST)Testament, Hebrew Text, and the codes come from those words or the text is that which creates in the physical realms. Ga 4:4 -
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law
And the Word (Torah) the LAW or the the written words … became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld “His glory”, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,
Bible codes, originally known as Torah codes, are information patterns said to exist in encrypted or coded form in the “text” of the Bible, or, more specifically, in the Hebrew Torah, the first five books of Old (FIRST)Testament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
But I believe the information pattern is taking it to lightly, its more dimensional, it can show things that were fulfilled, but the spoken word of the Book is constantly creating, However, these are kept in Heaven and an tell you exactly who said what.
So we are a little behind in the prophetic aspect….at the moment
Basically if the world linked all their computers together, they would just be entering into kindergarten and most likely would fail and be left back from entering into first grade.
Genesis 11:5-9
But it is fun to play with!!
Loyal Gypsy
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RE: Bible Codes - MATH not MYTH - 4/3/2008 10:50:08 AM
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A_Name_Written
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My Goal:
Mathematically derive the probability for finding a cluster of english words, where cluster is defined as 3 or more words found in a Matrix using ELS, and the search criteria is the entire set of english lit.
Here's an example, say you find something like:
aFterthisi
AgOodNight
achRIstian
iexCUsEdyo
atEarMustb
crazyiSnth
the terms are:
CHRISTIAN / ELS skip 1
FORUMS / ELS skip (base) + 1
ARE / ELS skip (base) + 3
NICE / ELS skip (base) - 1
where base is whatever number of letters it takes to get from a_fterthis to a_goodnight within this hypothetical matrix
Here's where I'm at so far, math-wise:
the above cluster is found in a 10 x 6 box, yeilding a number of total combinations, T, equal to 26 raised to the 60th power.
since every matching combination must have the 19 fixed letters of the 4 terms, that means there are possibly 26 raised to the (60-19)th power, X
So far, the probability is simple:
X
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T
pow(26,41)
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pow(26,60)
UNFORTUNATELY, it's not that simple. The odds of getting snake eyes on 1 of 36 dice rolls is MUCH greater than the odds of getting it on just 1 throw (1/36 + 1/36 + 1/36 ... repeat 33 more times) after 36 throws, you SHOULD get snake eyes at least once. What I call the "Sliding Skip" is similar:
The cluster above is found at an ELS of BASE (whatever base is); however, any matrix can possibly find it at a different skip, with the minimum skip in this case being 10 (the minimum width of the box), so, like the dice, we have to:
Xn/Tn = X/T +X/T +X/T +X/T + so on, and so on
Lastly, a very important aspect is NOT considered by the above method, namely, the frequencies of letters differ for all english matrices, but generally follow the same pattern: there are more e's than u's, more t's than g's, and so on, and so on.
See my dilema !?!?
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RE: Bible Codes - MATH not MYTH - 4/3/2008 12:32:07 PM
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A_Name_Written - welcome back? Who were you before?
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RE: Bible Codes - MATH not MYTH - 4/3/2008 12:37:18 PM
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A_Name_Written
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A_Name_Written - welcome back? Who were you before?
I was "Behold"
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RE: Bible Codes - MATH not MYTH - 4/3/2008 5:22:14 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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quote:
ORIGINAL: A_Name_Written
My Goal:
Mathematically derive the probability for finding a cluster of English words, where cluster is defined as 3 or more words found in a Matrix using ELS, and the search criteria is the entire set of English lit.
Lastly, a very important aspect is NOT considered by the above method, namely, the frequencies of letters differ for all English matrices, but generally follow the same pattern: there are more e's than u's, more t's than g's, and so on, and so on.
See my dilema !?!?
Greetings,
How does the Math line up in English??
The English text does not seem to compare number wise to what is written in Hebrew, for example, English is a combination of much slang taken from many languages, therefore is cut in proportionate to the number matrix, which creates different cultures.
Re 2:17 - Show Context
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Heaven speaks a totally different language, which is embedded in the words of the Book which is revelation, not the written codes; the written codes belong to the Christ-Jesus, who will create according to our words according to the Fathers will.
Isaiah 45:1-4
1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
Xn/Tn = X/T +X/T +X/T +X/T + so on, and so on
It is not enough, there are two gates in existence, and can not be defined in a single boxed in area.
2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Think of it like a firewall, our words go to heaven, but what comes back is filtered, at the moment, so we don’t hurt ourselves!!
Ex 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
….. 10 “”But”” God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Even so no one knows the things of God …. except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been “freely given” to us by God.
So we have the written code, in part, which is in Jesus ballpark concerning all that is written is finished!
And the revelatory code, which is and is yet to come from that!
Joh 16:26 - Show Context
In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;
You see the problem with evolution, is that the first amoeba in the slim pit would have had to speak in order to change its way out of the soup… and therefore its appearances.
And as we can see above... the Lord does not speak on behalf of us, nor the slim, ....and it was not programmed into the genome for the first amoeba to ask.
LG
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/3/2008 5:43:30 PM
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Historymaker93
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ORIGINAL: Historymaker93
I have read every single post and yet i still don't understand. Some of the links for the images are not working. Anyways if no one wants to help then its ok
Greetings,
What do you believe in ...Evolution or Creation?
If you believe in evolution then I will not be able to show you in part, what Bible codes are, the other speaks for itself.
The first “5 books” are words in the (FIRST)Testament, Hebrew Text, and the codes come from those words or the text is that which creates in the physical realms. Ga 4:4 -
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law
And the Word (Torah) the LAW or the the written words … became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld “His glory”, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,
Bible codes, originally known as Torah codes, are information patterns said to exist in encrypted or coded form in the “text” of the Bible, or, more specifically, in the Hebrew Torah, the first five books of Old (FIRST)Testament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
But I believe the information pattern is taking it to lightly, its more dimensional, it can show things that were fulfilled, but the spoken word of the Book is constantly creating, However, these are kept in Heaven and an tell you exactly who said what.
So we are a little behind in the prophetic aspect….at the moment
Basically if the world linked all their computers together, they would just be entering into kindergarten and most likely would fail and be left back from entering into first grade.
Genesis 11:5-9
But it is fun to play with!!
Loyal Gypsy
Well Don't all Christians believe in creation? I certainly would not agree that we evolved from monkeys and apes 
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/4/2008 10:25:29 AM
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Question for Everyone, whether you believe there is something to "bible codes" or not:
In the bible codes software that I am creating, should I include the following: a task which automatically creates matrices from web pages (by following links), and tries to find a "target" cluster in those pages?
Here's what I mean: say the user has a "cluster" of words/terms that were found in a 10 x 10 box; they then set the software to try to find the same box on the internet by pointing the "task wizard" to a google news link. The task wizard visits every link on the google news page, as well as visiting perhaps 2nd level and 3rd level pages (how deep to go can be set by the user), creates an ELS matrix of all the text found, and then proceeds to find the "box" within the newly created matrix.
What say ye?
PLEASE NOTE: It means nothing to me one way or the other your belief or disbelief in "bible codes" as I am not here to debate whether they are real or not. I have a pretty simple target audience, those who wish to use a software product to prove OR disprove "bible codes". And NO, I am not trying to make money from this, as I would offer the application to ANYONE that asks for it, for FREE! From such a target audience, which I am betting visits forums such as these, your input on how to best improve a piece of software like this to get it to do what you want it to do would be greatly appreciated. I think this forum is appropriate for this thread, and my requests, because people on here who believe in "bible codes" also believe they have much to do with prophecy, and would likely appreciate software that may help them "prove" their belief.
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/6/2008 1:34:28 PM
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A_Name_Written
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Ok, there have to be other math buffs here beside me. I'm NOT asking you to take an interest in bible codes, I'm just asking if you would check my math/theory on how to best calculate this "cluster". After MUCH thought and concentration, I've come up with a new algorithm, which I will explain as so:
Imagine having the following 20 dice:
six(6) - 7 sided dice
five(5) - 6 sided dice
four(4) - 5 sided dice
three(3) - 4 sided dice
two(2) - 3 sided dice
ok, in one event, you toss all 20 dice, which fall into a 5x4 array of wholes, as so;
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
20 dice, 20 holes.
now, if you had to calculate the odds for the following arrangement:
o7ooo
6o6oo
o55oo
ooooo
it would be calculated as:
6/20 because out of 20 dice, 6 of them can be a 7 sided die
multiplied by 5/20 because out of 20 dice, 5 of them can be a 6 sided die
multiplied by 4/20 because out of 20 dice, another 4 may be a 6 sided die
multiplied by 4/20 because out of 20 dice, 4 may be a 5 sided die
multiplied by 3/20 because out of 20 dice, another 3 may be a 5 sided die
The product of those probabilities will give the probability of the cluster. Is that right? OR, am I suppose to decrement the divisor each time, making it:
6/20 * 5/19 * 4/18 * 4/17 * 3/16
FYI: the reason for the different number of sides for dice is that in any given text, the letters will have different frequencies.
Please, there has to be a math wiz out there, I need your help, thanks in advance!
Last note: I really want to check this math, I think I found a cluster with STAGGERING odds against it being random chance:
1 in 2.584112830444078897228668101781e+36
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RE: Bible Codes - 4/6/2008 2:37:12 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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quote:
ORIGINAL: A_Name_Written
Ok, there have to be other math buffs here beside me. I'm NOT asking you to take an interest in bible codes, I'm just asking if you would check my math/theory on how to best calculate this "cluster". After MUCH thought and concentration, I've come up with a new algorithm, which I will explain as so:
Imagine having the following 20 dice:
six(6) - 7 sided dice
five(5) - 6 sided dice
four(4) - 5 sided dice
three(3) - 4 sided dice
two(2) - 3 sided dice
ok, in one event, you toss all 20 dice, which fall into a 5x4 array of wholes, as so;
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
20 dice, 20 holes.
now, if you had to calculate the odds for the following arrangement:
o7ooo
6o6oo
o55oo
ooooo
it would be calculated as:
6/20 because out of 20 dice, 6 of them can be a 7 sided die
multiplied by 5/20 because out of 20 dice, 5 of them can be a 6 sided die
multiplied by 4/20 because out of 20 dice, another 4 may be a 6 sided die
multiplied by 4/20 because out of 20 dice, 4 may be a 5 sided die
multiplied by 3/20 because out of 20 dice, another 3 may be a 5 sided die
The product of those probabilities will give the probability of the cluster. Is that right? OR, am I suppose to decrement the divisor each time, making it:
6/20 * 5/19 * 4/18 * 4/17 * 3/16
FYI: the reason for the different number of sides for dice is that in any given text, the letters will have different frequencies.
Please, there has to be a math wiz out there, I need your help, thanks in advance!
Last note: I really want to check this math, I think I found a cluster with STAGGERING odds against it being random chance:
1 in 2.584112830444078897228668101781e+36
Greetings,
It's not that you do not have a good knowledge of your undertaking…
For example, let’s say you are going to be the King of Israel, or that your knowledge above is superior for your task above.
Every King of Israel had a requirement to read the Torah daily, and every King had a prophet …to keep the King in line with the scriptures for the intended outcome.
So you don’t need a mathematician because you are one ….you need someone with the structured knowledge of the scripture. 
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The product of those probabilities will give the probability of the cluster.
Is that right? OR,
am I suppose to decrement the divisor each time, making it:
6/20 * 5/19 * 4/18 * 4/17 * 3/16
For example, I am not a mathematician, because I am enveloped in other things at the moment, but my thinking is logical. 
Words reiterate in the scriptures, to form clusters the cluster must stem from the first to the last mention,
…..For example
Try this out… in ELS in this order…. and see what you get.
Here is an example of a first mention and is found in Gen 2:4
NOW
Read or transfer in reverse
Starting at Gen 2:7
Then read Gen 2:6
Then read Gen 2:5
Then read Gen 2:4
Gen 2:4 is the key, and skips back to the beginning… to give that account mentioned in Gen 2:4 …..and from there goes on forward "from" Gen 1:1 to Gen 2:1-3
This type of reiteration is constant in the scriptures …. Some one would have to program the software to first sort these out, and then run the ELS.
………..Because the book is prophetic of both good and evil, the texts are for the purpose to separate Gods people from those who are not……and running ELS skips over the prophetic number of the AC and are not going to give a good read,
But I do not know how your software works, but if you would enter the info in the way… or enter it into you software in the order it was just given above…. because it is clean.... perhaps there would be a very interesting read.
To reiterate across evil does not occur until Gen 3….
Loyal Gypsy
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300 The Movie
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