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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 12:25:09 PM
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cynthia
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Anothing thing, Julia, just about all of us here have given documented evidence than when vaccines are absent, disease comes; or where there are unvaccinated children, there some epidemics have occurred BECAUSE they weren't vaccinated, for whatever reason they weren't. 
This is correct, thus it logically follows that if one's children are not vaccinated, they are at greater risk for contracting the disease. The more people do not immunize, the greater the risk of significant outbreaks. I'd say that 13,000 is significant. What the figures do not show is that of the people that get the disease and recover, a portion of them survive with permanent disability.
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so what would you have someone in our position to do solo???? Either we endanger the life of our kids and get the vaccines or we don't and pray that God's hand of protection be over them...not much of a choice here. You have to admit that SOMETIMES getting the vaccine is a lot worse then not getting it
I'd like to answer that. You have to weigh whether it is a temporary reaction or if it could lead to anaphylaxis. You might have some of your children vaccinated and not others. You might take them to the hospital to have them immunized rather that at the doctor’s office and stay at the hospital until you are sure they are fine. There are options you can try, but the bottom line is you have to decide if it is safe, for each particular child, to have him vaccinated.
Your family is an example of why it is important for everyone without these issues to have their children vaccinated. It keeps your children safer. There are going to be those that should not be vaccinated. If a child is allergic, they shouldn’t be vaccinated. If they are having a reaction that is not likely to cause serious problems, they should be vaccinated. For example, if a child has a red arm for a couple of days, that’s not a big deal. If a child’s throat closes up or they display other signs of anaphylaxis, they should never receive a vaccination again.
If I had a child that displayed signs of anaphylaxis with immunization, I would not immunize that child again and would take any siblings to the hospital to be vaccinated, then wait to see how they reacted before leaving the hospital. If they didn’t react, I’d take them to the doctor the next time.
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Does anyone who holds to the 'sanitation got rid of diseases, not vaccinations' theory have an answer? I'm truly interested in what it'd be.
Cynthia has speculated on it already.
I'd like to point out that historical records clearly show that sanitation did not get rid of diseases. Sanitation has reduced diseases. Thousands of people at a time caught diseases in outbreaks. This still happens today in unvaccinated populations, as we have discussed. Japan is a prime example of this. Japanese people are very clean. They are and have been known to be for centuries. When the vaccination rate dropped, disease increased, despite their hygienic society.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 1:30:40 PM
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cynthia
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Sarah, I was thinking about the situation with your family and hope this thread has not caused you to feel nervous or afraid. When it comes to our precious children we do the best we can and know that no matter what choices we make, it is in the Lord's hands. He helps us to make the best choices that we can.
You can also think of your family as a little community. If some of your children are vaccinated, it will be safer for the whole family, unless of course all of your children have severe reactions to the shots, then you have done your best and should not worry, but be aware of the symptoms of diseases and how to tackle any problem that may come up so you have a head start on keeping your family healthy.
Clearly you want what is best for your family and are doing a good job. Keep up the good work!
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/11/2007 2:28:56 PM
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I have a baby that has not been given any shots, she's incredibly healthy and has a really strong immune system, I feel I was fortunate to read enough about the research on vaccines, I not saying you should do the same, I probably will get some vaccines when she is a little older, I have two other children that recieved all their shots but two, which I will not give to them. (I trusted my pediatritian back then)
I also know that you can request the combined vaccines in separate tubes and the risk is lower.
About alternative medicine
there is a verse in the old testament that talks about healing our selves with herbs. I'm not a clinical herbalist but I found that sometimes herbal remedies work for us best.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/11/2007 2:52:39 PM
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I have a baby that has not been given any shots, she's incredibly healthy and has a really strong immune system, I feel I was fortunate to read enough about the research on vaccines, I not saying you should do the same, I probably will get some vaccines when she is a little older, I have two other children that recieved all their shots but two, which I will not give to them. (I trusted my pediatritian back then)
I also know that you can request the combined vaccines in separate tubes and the risk is lower.
About alternative medicine
there is a verse in the old testament that talks about healing our selves with herbs. I'm not a clinical herbalist but I found that sometimes herbal remedies work for us best.
How do you know that your baby has a strong immune system? Do you think, if your child were exposed to whopping cough that she could get it?
Do you trust your pediatrician now or do you use a doctor that you do trust or do you not take your children to the doctor?
What herbal remedies work to cure measles, whopping cough, the Hib bacteria, polio, etc.?
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 3:29:46 PM
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Anothing thing, Julia, just about all of us here have given documented evidence than when vaccines are absent, disease comes; or where there are unvaccinated children, there some epidemics have occurred BECAUSE they weren't vaccinated, for whatever reason they weren't.
This is correct, thus it logically follows that if one's children are not vaccinated, they are at greater risk for contracting the disease. The more people do not immunize, the greater the risk of significant outbreaks. I'd say that 13,000 is significant. What the figures do not show is that of the people that get the disease and recover, a portion of them survive with permanent disability.
My parents grew up in Selma, and apparently some kids didn't get vaccines. I'm not sure if they weren't available or what...but my mom was telling me about a girl she knew that got polio and never could walk right again. And she knows some more that can't have kids now. She told me that the first time I'd heard the word polio when I was a child. For a long time when I was a child I thought stuff like that had been gone for a long time; I found out when I was in the fifth grade that it wasn't. I can probably credit that to how much I read...I remember reading a volume of encyclopedias that year.
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so what would you have someone in our position to do solo???? Either we endanger the life of our kids and get the vaccines or we don't and pray that God's hand of protection be over them...not much of a choice here. You have to admit that SOMETIMES getting the vaccine is a lot worse then not getting it
I'd like to answer that. You have to weigh whether it is a temporary reaction or if it could lead to anaphylaxis. You might have some of your children vaccinated and not others. You might take them to the hospital to have them immunized rather that at the doctor’s office and stay at the hospital until you are sure they are fine. There are options you can try, but the bottom line is you have to decide if it is safe, for each particular child, to have him vaccinated.
Your family is an example of why it is important for everyone without these issues to have their children vaccinated. It keeps your children safer. There are going to be those that should not be vaccinated. If a child is allergic, they shouldn’t be vaccinated. If they are having a reaction that is not likely to cause serious problems, they should be vaccinated. For example, if a child has a red arm for a couple of days, that’s not a big deal. If a child’s throat closes up or they display other signs of anaphylaxis, they should never receive a vaccination again.
If I had a child that displayed signs of anaphylaxis with immunization, I would not immunize that child again and would take any siblings to the hospital to be vaccinated, then wait to see how they reacted before leaving the hospital. If they didn’t react, I’d take them to the doctor the next time.
It depends. One route to go is the one you're currently going. They will vaccinate children in the hospital if they're likely to react, like Cynthia said; that's been done before. I suspect some people don't believe it's the vaccines causing it, and that's a way to make certain they know. Another route is to figure out what exact ingredient in the vaccines are causing the reaction, then get a vaccine that doesn't have that component.
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Does anyone who holds to the 'sanitation got rid of diseases, not vaccinations' theory have an answer? I'm truly interested in what it'd be.
Cynthia has speculated on it already.
I'd like to point out that historical records clearly show that sanitation did not get rid of diseases. Sanitation has reduced diseases. Thousands of people at a time caught diseases in outbreaks. This still happens today in unvaccinated populations, as we have discussed. Japan is a prime example of this. Japanese people are very clean. They are and have been known to be for centuries. When the vaccination rate dropped, disease increased, despite their hygienic society.
That was my point...I'm just wondering how it is that this view is held to despite all of history. But I'm sure that people that hold to it have at least heard this argument before...I'm wondering how they respond to it, or if there's something to counter the argument. I'm going to look for one and see. Lol. I just can't think up anything on my own that could even remotely work to refute that argument.
On a side note, it's true that some herbs may help build the immune system; however, unless the disease is introduced into the body (even a weak form) there's no way your body knows to form antibodies against that disease (the antigen). So really, all the herbs in the world (unless they contain a weakened form of the disease/virus) won't do that.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 4:13:22 PM
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That was my point...I'm just wondering how it is that this view is held to despite all of history. But I'm sure that people that hold to it have at least heard this argument before...I'm wondering how they respond to it, or if there's something to counter the argument. I'm going to look for one and see. Lol. I just can't think up anything on my own that could even remotely work to refute that argument.
It was never answered because there is no answer other than history is clear that diseases did not die out due to better sanitation, they died out due to vaccines and if vaccination rates go down, the diseases return. We haven't heard a rebuttal because there is no plausible rebuttal.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 6:48:57 PM
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Sarah, I was thinking about the situation with your family and hope this thread has not caused you to feel nervous or afraid. When it comes to our precious children we do the best we can and know that no matter what choices we make, it is in the Lord's hands. He helps us to make the best choices that we can.
You can also think of your family as a little community. If some of your children are vaccinated, it will be safer for the whole family, unless of course all of your children have severe reactions to the shots, then you have done your best and should not worry, but be aware of the symptoms of diseases and how to tackle any problem that may come up so you have a head start on keeping your family healthy.
Clearly you want what is best for your family and are doing a good job. Keep up the good work!
thank you cynthia. this thread has caused me many tears because I feel like some in here do not care why we have come to this decision, they just think that every child everywhere should be vaccinated no matter what. They seem to care only for the majority and forget about the little minority that would be very sensitive to this subject. We did not choose this route just because we wanted to, we did it because of the bad reactions that each of them so far have had to any vaccine they have had. Sometimes the hard decisions are the ones where you have to choose to go against the flow, which is what we know we are doing here...but we have reason to do so and we feel God's leading in that direction for us.
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It depends. One route to go is the one you're currently going. They will vaccinate children in the hospital if they're likely to react, like Cynthia said; that's been done before. I suspect some people don't believe it's the vaccines causing it, and that's a way to make certain they know. Another route is to figure out what exact ingredient in the vaccines are causing the reaction, then get a vaccine that doesn't have that component.
Solo...you sound like in this explanation that there is no way in your mind to ever justify not vaccinating a child, but you have not ever had to see your child have the kind of reactions that my kids (all of them) have had with every vaccine. We have made a very hard decision and a very prayerful one, and we feel that God has led us to this place for now. We do not feel that we need to subject our kids to vaccines in the hospital nor do we feel that we should give our kids vaccine after vaccine in different ways just to find out what they react to...especially since they have reacted to every single vaccine, not just some of them. You have never had to see your child convulse, or run a fever of 105 for days or have knots in their legs as big as their fist for months on end...nor do I ever wish that on your future kids, but you seem to have no respect for the fact that this is our decision based on the facts present in our family.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 7:02:07 PM
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but you have not ever had to see your child have the kind of reactions that my kids (all of them) have had with every vaccine. We have made a very hard decision and a very prayerful one, and we feel that God has led us to this place for now.
Wow, Sarah. That sounds just horrible. If I were you, I wouldn't have any of them vaccinated, period. If that happens with every vaccination, I wonder what causes it. Have you ever tried to find out what could specifically be causing the reaction? One of my concerns would be that it could be something they would run into elsewhere or even if they had to be admitted into the hospital and have an injection of any kind. I would not want my child injected with anything, as it sounds like being injected may be part of the problem. There must be someone or someplace that can help you get to the bottom of it.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 7:12:45 PM
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but you have not ever had to see your child have the kind of reactions that my kids (all of them) have had with every vaccine. We have made a very hard decision and a very prayerful one, and we feel that God has led us to this place for now.
Wow, Sarah. That sounds just horrible. If I were you, I wouldn't have any of them vaccinated, period. If that happens with every vaccination, I wonder what causes it. Have you ever tried to find out what could specifically be causing the reaction? One of my concerns would be that it could be something they would run into elsewhere or even if they had to be admitted into the hospital and have an injection of any kind. I would not want my child injected with anything, as it sounds like being injected may be part of the problem. There must be someone or someplace that can help you get to the bottom of it.
that is my theory too cynthia, that it has to somehow be related to the shot and not particularly the vaccine. I have no idea though. We have not exactly had dr's in the past that cared about our reasonings for not vaccinating though so they have not been on the bandwagon of finding out why these reactions occur in my kids. That is why I am really for dr's having to test each child (or at least question parents about reactions) to determine if a child should have a vaccine. Those that I listed though are only a few of the many reactions my kids have had over the years...we just stopped vaccinating when Emma was 3 months old and she got her first shots...that whelp was there for many months (big and bruised), and she still has a large knot in her leg from that, and it was just one shot. She just turned 2yo last month. After that we stopped and started researching whether we wanted to continue and made the decision over this past year to definitely not at this time. Who knows about the future...that will all depend on if we can find a dr that is willing to work with us on these issues and not just be rude to us for our decision (which frankly, I am sick and tired of)
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:12:06 PM
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Sarah, I sincerely hope you find a reasonable doctor that will help your family. I've heard that DO's tend to be more open to various things and are not as likely to go with the staus quo. You might look to see if you can find one that might be of help to you. I would also suggest rubbing the knot with arnica massage oil daily to see if that will help break up the knot.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:15:35 PM
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Who knows about the future...that will all depend on if we can find a dr that is willing to work with us on these issues and not just be rude to us for our decision (which frankly, I am sick and tired of)
I had a pediatrician once that was very into homeopathic remedies, yet he still was an MD and did treat things with medication when required. I wonder if maybe you could find someone like that, who would be willing to help you figure out what the allergen is?
Im rather "crunchy" when it comes to Doctors and medicine, just because I feel like most of the time they treat the symptom, not the real problem and frankly, I often feel like all they do is offer me their well educated opinion as to what is making me sick.
After doing all the research, and knowing our family history and reactions to vaccines Micah and I have chosen to vaccinate(once our baby is born), but we most definitly arnt going to be doing on a Doctors schedule. There are also a couple that I dont want them to have, like the Chicken Pox ones, especially after my encounter with them. I had chicken pox in places you didnt even know existed, including internally. I know that puts us at a higher risk for reactions, but I never had any adverse reactions to vaccines...
Anyways, Sarah. I respect your decision not vaccinate, and I understand why you guys dont. It is most definitly in the best interest of your family to avoid vaccines, and you wont catch any flack from me.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:22:43 PM
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I had chicken pox in places you didnt even know existed, including internally. I know that puts us at a higher risk for reactions, but I never had any adverse reactions to vaccines...
Anyways, Sarah. I respect your decision not vaccinate, and I understand why you guys dont. It is most definitly in the best interest of your family to avoid vaccines, and you wont catch any flack from me.
not trying to scare you, but really check it out...one of the reasons I have been told that my kids are immediately at a higher risk for adverse reaction to some vaccines (though I do not remember which ones) is because of my weird reaction personally to chicken pox as a child...I had it all over the inside of me (mouth, esophagus, stomach, intestines) and only had three breakouts on the outside. So you may want to really check into that with you too.
also thanks for your kind words, it is good to hear sometimes, especially when you hear so much negativity all the time
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:23:46 PM
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I would also suggest rubbing the knot with arnica massage oil daily to see if that will help break up the knot.
what it that? where would I get it? would it still help her years down the road like it is now?
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:29:49 PM
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I would also suggest rubbing the knot with arnica massage oil daily to see if that will help break up the knot.
what it that? where would I get it? would it still help her years down the road like it is now?
I don't know, but it helps to break up bruising and knots in the muscles. I cannot imagine why it wouldn't help. It is available in the natural foods section of the grocery store. They probably have it Germany, but I don't know what it would be called in German. If you cannot find it in a massage oil, use the cream or gel.
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:47:42 PM
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not trying to scare you, but really check it out...one of the reasons I have been told that my kids are immediately at a higher risk for adverse reaction to some vaccines (though I do not remember which ones) is because of my weird reaction personally to chicken pox as a child...I had it all over the inside of me (mouth, esophagus, stomach, intestines) and only had three breakouts on the outside. So you may want to really check into that with you too.
We are still researching, actually getting pregnant has made alot more topics come up... I had chickenpox all over my skin, and then I had them in my mouth, esophagus and my vagina. Apparently other then the skin, none of those are common places to have a breakout
Did you have adverse reactions to vaccines?
yes, but i am not sure how bad since my mom does not have a good memory. she had epilepcy as a child and the meds she was on made her memory kind of like swiss cheese...she does not remember anything after she sleeps unless she writes it down for later reference. i remember my dad saying that i reacted badly, but he cut ties with us when i was pregnant with emma so i can't ask him specifically
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RE: vaccines - 1/11/2007 8:49:52 PM
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I would also suggest rubbing the knot with arnica massage oil daily to see if that will help break up the knot.
what it that? where would I get it? would it still help her years down the road like it is now?
I don't know, but it helps to break up bruising and knots in the muscles. I cannot imagine why it wouldn't help. It is available in the natural foods section of the grocery store. They probably have it Germany, but I don't know what it would be called in German. If you cannot find it in a massage oil, use the cream or gel.
thank you...i will check into getting that after we move...i can guarantee it is not at our px or commissary...we can barely find vitamin c there (it is very small...i have been to gas stations bigger then our stores here). also because of customs i will just wait...but thanks.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/11/2007 9:00:45 PM
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I have a baby that has not been given any shots, she's incredibly healthy and has a really strong immune system, I feel I was fortunate to read enough about the research on vaccines, I not saying you should do the same, I probably will get some vaccines when she is a little older, I have two other children that recieved all their shots but two, which I will not give to them. (I trusted my pediatritian back then)
I also know that you can request the combined vaccines in separate tubes and the risk is lower.
About alternative medicine
there is a verse in the old testament that talks about healing our selves with herbs. I'm not a clinical herbalist but I found that sometimes herbal remedies work for us best.
How do you know that your baby has a strong immune system? Do you think, if your child were exposed to whopping cough that she could get it?
Do you trust your pediatrician now or do you use a doctor that you do trust or do you not take your children to the doctor?
What herbal remedies work to cure measles, whopping cough, the Hib bacteria, polio, etc.?
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How do you know that your baby has a strong immune system? Do you think, if your child were exposed to whopping cough that she could get it?
Do you trust your pediatrician now or do you use a doctor that you do trust or do you not take your children to the doctor?
What herbal remedies work to cure measles, whopping cough, the Hib bacteria, polio, etc.?
I have a very good pediatritian that respects what we decide on this, my baby gets regular checkups and is very healthy. And like I said she will get some vaccines later.
I'm sure there is a lot of treatments for those you mention. I don't know of any thing that cures autism though.
By the way, I decided to read this in order to see what other mom's opinions where on this. We all want the best for our children.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/11/2007 9:29:46 PM
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I have a baby that has not been given any shots, she's incredibly healthy and has a really strong immune system, I feel I was fortunate to read enough about the research on vaccines, I not saying you should do the same, I probably will get some vaccines when she is a little older, I have two other children that recieved all their shots but two, which I will not give to them. (I trusted my pediatritian back then)
I also know that you can request the combined vaccines in separate tubes and the risk is lower.
About alternative medicine
there is a verse in the old testament that talks about healing our selves with herbs. I'm not a clinical herbalist but I found that sometimes herbal remedies work for us best.
How do you know that your baby has a strong immune system? Do you think, if your child were exposed to whopping cough that she could get it?
Do you trust your pediatrician now or do you use a doctor that you do trust or do you not take your children to the doctor?
What herbal remedies work to cure measles, whopping cough, the Hib bacteria, polio, etc.?
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How do you know that your baby has a strong immune system? Do you think, if your child were exposed to whopping cough that she could get it?
Do you trust your pediatrician now or do you use a doctor that you do trust or do you not take your children to the doctor?
What herbal remedies work to cure measles, whopping cough, the Hib bacteria, polio, etc.?
I have a very good pediatritian that respects what we decide on this, my baby gets regular checkups and is very healthy. And like I said she will get some vaccines later.
I'm sure there is a lot of treatments for those you mention. I don't know of any thing that cures autism though.
By the way, I decided to read this in order to see what other mom's opinions where on this. We all want the best for our children.
from everything I have read (and believe me I have read a lot) the connection between vaccines and autism is in the mercury that used to be in the shot, not in the current vaccines. thermisol mercury was taken out of shots...unfortunately my son had it before it was taken out...and now he is autistic (diagnosed at 3yo), but there are no clear indications that he has it because of the shot. We do think that some complications came from vaccines, but we are not 100% sure of this one coming from that vaccine.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/11/2007 10:39:28 PM
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cynthia
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I have a very good pediatritian that respects what we decide on this, my baby gets regular checkups and is very healthy. And like I said she will get some vaccines later.
I'm sure there is a lot of treatments for those you mention. I don't know of any thing that cures autism though.
By the way, I decided to read this in order to see what other mom's opinions where on this. We all want the best for our children.
That is wonderful that you found a good pediatrician. Sometimes it's difficult to find the right fit. I've had some trouble with finding the right doctors from time to time and had an extremely bad experience with one.
I have never heard of herbal remedies that cure whopping cough or any of the other diseases I mentioned and don't think there are any. I was wondering if you had heard of any, as that was mentioned on this thread before, but that poster didn't have anything specific either.
I'm glad you are interested in the opinions of others and hope that you will find this thread to be full of helpful information. There are tons of links in this thread. You could start at the beginning and work your way through if you are interested.
One thing I did find in one of my doctors, which helped me a lot, was that he specifically asked me what my concerns with immunizations were and answered my concerns with facts. One thing he did not tell me was that a lot of what I had been reading were lies. I feel a bit foolish looking back and realizing that it didn't occur to me that those people might be lying about some of the things they said. Then I started really taking apart the arguments against vaccinations and found that there was no reason for me not to have my family vaccinated against most of the main diseases. It is disturbing to me that there is so much faulty logic and downright misinformation being distributed regarding vaccinations. It makes it hard for people who are just trying to make sure their children are as safe and healthy as possible.
What would be very helpful would be if doctor’s offices distributed fact sheets that answer the questions of the anti-vaccination rhetoric. They don’t have to tell us that they are lying, but can easily show that to be the case without saying so. There should also be clear facts and recourse on what to do if a child has a reaction or if there is a family history of trouble that would make it less safe or dangerous for a child to be vaccinated. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground for parents that are really trying to do the best for their children, which is certainly everyone on this thread or we wouldn’t be reading and participating in it.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/13/2007 2:22:12 AM
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from everything I have read (and believe me I have read a lot) the connection between vaccines and autism is in the mercury that used to be in the shot, not in the current vaccines. thermisol mercury was taken out of shots...unfortunately my son had it before it was taken out...and now he is autistic (diagnosed at 3yo), but there are no clear indications that he has it because of the shot. We do think that some complications came from vaccines, but we are not 100% sure of this one coming from that vaccine.
Indeed, it's the mercury aspect that some suspect may have a link to autism. I wanted to add, there may still be trace amounts of mercuy in vaccines. I'm not sure whether they say the vaccines are "mercury free" or if they say "no mercury added." (It should be "no mercury added.") They don't purposefully add mercury (now), but mercury is has so permeated America that there's bound to be some in there, just through the process of manufacturing. If it's in the air (which it is, unfortunately), then you can't really escape some getting in no matter what. I'm sure there's some mercury in the soil and the water also (from all our emissions). We just can't escape it; none of us can...but I suppose those trace amounts from our pollution are better than the amount they used to add to them voluntarily.
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