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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 1/19/2007 12:51:57 PM
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HenriettasCat
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That also crossed my mind Cynthia, that these are only showing the numbers of deaths. How many more are left permanently disabled by such diseases? My great Aunt was left profoundly deaf aged 5 from measles. (This had a devastating impact on her life, including being denied an education and having her child taken into care, since in those days she was deemed to be incapable of raising a child due to her disability).
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 3/29/2008 3:05:25 PM
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Just bringing this back to the top so people can debate in here instead of the other current thread.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 3/29/2008 4:51:54 PM
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understand there ARE MANY serious concerns about this issue..many children that have been killed or irreversibly harmed by them Yes there are MANY serious concerns. That's why this discussion needs to come with supporting facts with it.
The doctor that I was thinking of is a Dr Andrew Wakefield. He carried out research into the MMR jab and concluded certain facts from it. How large was his study? Twelve children. TWELVE All of these children had been referred because of problems they'd been experiencing (gastro probs). At the same time he was being paid to find out if children who'd had the MMR jab had been damaged because of it. Some of the children were involved in both studies.
Yes autism has increased ~ but until recently Asperger's wasn't classed as autism. The spectrum for autism has changed. It's very hard to say that in 1960 there was 1 in 100 children who had autism and today it is one in 30 because of vaccinations ~ simply because we don't know for sure what either statistics represent.
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Japanese scientists say they have strong evidence that the MMR vaccination is not linked to a rise in autism after they found a rise in the incidence of autism after the withdrawal of the measles, mumps and rubella jab in their country in 1993.
The researchers from the Yokohama Rehabilitation Center and the Institute of Psychiatry looked at the incidence of autism spectrum disorders among 31,426 children up to the age of seven born from 1988 to 1996.
There were between 48 cases per 10,000 children born in 1988.The rate was steadily seen to rise to 117.2 per 10,000 for those born in 1996 - after MMR had been withdrawn. From here.
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please take care in how you approach this issue in the future..you may really hurt someone's feelings I'd rather hurt someone's feelings than have a child hurt through someone not giving full facts about something out. This includes the effects of what happens if a child gets a preventable disease (including that a woman who's pregnant serious risks harming her unborn child if she contracts rubella)
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I think I've decided to look for another place to express my concerns and issues. That's your choice. You're free to express your concerns and issues anywhere you wish ~ but you need to be doing so with full facts.
I know. Dr Andrew Wakefield is actually getting sued by a medical association because of his faulty research. TWELVE KIDS! WOW!
He was so stuid. I believe, he should be put out of practice. And I think that's what they are trying to do.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 3/31/2008 11:25:47 PM
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The reason my dr gave for getting the chicken pox vaccine isn't to prevent chicken pox (which is normally mild), but to prevent shingles - which can be quite debilitating. Our oldest 3 already got chicken pox, so Jacob would be the only one that would have that option. We haven't decided yet.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 9:26:06 AM
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but to prevent shingles
Tammy, I've wondered about that. I was shopping the other day and noticed that there was a sign that said, "Get your Shingles Vaccine Today." Is it worth it?
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 1:34:17 PM
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but to prevent shingles
Tammy, I've wondered about that. I was shopping the other day and noticed that there was a sign that said, "Get your Shingles Vaccine Today." Is it worth it?
The shingles vaccine is different and only offered to people over 55 or 60.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 3:47:56 PM
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I know that for years people have decided against vaccinations, but where I live and in my rather large church, I really has become a "fad." Right or wrong.
I choose to vaccinate because
a. I have done the research and there are valid arguments on both sides. Any point you make can be defended or defeated by another study as a result of the computer age.
b. My little brother almost died from the chicken pox - seriously. When my children got the vaccine, there had never been one case of a serious reaction; while there had been cases of deaths from the disease (or sickness). It also had been used in Japan decades before the US.
c. My children have never had a reaction, and I don't know of any that do. I also don't know of any children with autism, and I don't think I live in a small world. That leads me to believe that there are other factors involved.
d. Many diseases are harmful to a fetus, whether or not the mom is immune from either the disease or vaccination.
Funny story: This past Christmas a Bible college with many ties to our church experienced an outbreak of Whooping Cough. It was almost sad to see the parents of un-vaccinated children upset that these college kids were allowed in back in church. Many of them stayed away from church and activities for weeks. I know of one family that didn't want the kids to see the grandparents over Christmas because they might have been exposed to somebody who might have been exposed. I didn't understand; if you are afraid of the disease, why not get the vaccination.
For the most part the decision that others make on this issue does not bother me. In a way, I do think it might be reckless. We do not see the need for them because we did not live through the polio, measles, mumps outbreaks of our grandparents and great-grandparents. Because of the vaccinations these diseases have virtually been eliminated.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 4:50:40 PM
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c. My children have never had a reaction, and I don't know of any that do. I also don't know of any children with autism, and I don't think I live in a small world. That leads me to believe that there are other factors involved.
Uh. Yeah... I'm not allergic to bee stings so everyone else must just be making it up.
Your logic is faulty, if you had truly done research you would see that there ARE reports of risks and reactions. Just because your children do not get them does not mean that MY child does not. I used to get orange sized lumps on my thighs from vaccines that would be painfully bruised. They used to take weeks and weeks to go away, I also ran high fevers and got febrile seizures after vaccinations. I have a friend whose child had 6 seizures 24 hours after his 2 month vaccines and even though they can't "prove" it, his neurologist told them to delay the rest of the vaccinations.
As for Autism, it is on the rise and whether or not it's from vaccines can be debated. I do not think ALL autism is caused by vaccinations but after doing the research and reading document after document I do think that SOME autism is caused by them.
ETA- we do not avoid the Varicella vax because of side effects, we avoid it because the real thing is more effective then the vax and lots of kids get an immunity without actually having Chicken Pox.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 6:23:56 PM
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I can see why people get offended on this thread. I did not say this is why you should vaccinate. I CLEARLY said that this is why vaccinate. In Japan, which has used the varicella vax. much longer than the US; the vaccine has proven to be just as effective, and also has cut down the cases of adult shingles. I know that I feel differently about that one because as a teenager, I took care of my little 1 yr old brother who developed a staph infection from the disease and almost died from it.
There are pro's and con's to every decision as a parent, and part of this whole debate is people attacking others for their decisions. My decision is for my family - and vaccines don't bother my children - that is part of the reason why I am not concerned. If you want to consider me "faulty" fine, but really it's my decision. Vaccinating my children in no way harmful to yours, so generally speaking, why do you care. On the other hand, arguments have been made that not vaccinating has been harmful to the general population. Just an observation.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 6:24:52 PM
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but to prevent shingles
Tammy, I've wondered about that. I was shopping the other day and noticed that there was a sign that said, "Get your Shingles Vaccine Today." Is it worth it?
There is a shingles vaccine also, but I would be careful about getting the varicella just to prevent shingles.
I had chicken pox twice growing up and the military still gave me the varicella; I ended up with shingles at 22 and still have random pain where the rash was and was told it's very likely I'll get shingles again.
(this could just be if there's a family history of weird chicken pox, most people in mine get them twice and the younger ones who've gotten the vaccine have had extremely bad cases of them.)
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 6:30:35 PM
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but to prevent shingles
Tammy, I've wondered about that. I was shopping the other day and noticed that there was a sign that said, "Get your Shingles Vaccine Today." Is it worth it?
There is a shingles vaccine also, but I would be careful about getting the varicella just to prevent shingles.
I had chicken pox twice growing up and the military still gave me the varicella; I ended up with shingles at 22 and still have random pain where the rash was and was told it's very likely I'll get shingles again.
(this could just be if there's a family history of weird chicken pox, most people in mine get them twice and the younger ones who've gotten the vaccine have had extremely bad cases of them.)
I know a lot of people that think if you get chicken pox once, you're automatically immune from it. I think it depends on the person (the individual), and I've never known that to be true for everyone, although it's true for some. I know plenty of people who got it repeatedly.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/1/2008 8:18:31 PM
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Here is an interesting article: Vaccine Autism Case Gets US Government Compensation. Apparently the little girl, Hannah Poling, has an underlying mitochondrial disorder that was "significantly aggravated" by the vaccines she received as a toddler. The ruling was sealed, but has been released by someone and posted here. It is not clear if the girl has autism or if what she has mimics autism. The government has not stated that vaccines cause autism and certainly no link has been found in many studies. One article I read stated that while thimerosal was previously in vaccines and has been blamed for autism, it has been removed from vaccines, but autism has continued to rise.
So while I do not believe that vaccinations cause autism, this is an interesting case and does show that some children have been harmed by vaccinations. I have stated before that pretty much nothing is safe for everyone. One can never tell what one might have an adverse reaction to. In this case, the girl had a rare underlying disorder that predisposed her to a reaction to vaccination, but no one was aware of it. She inherited the disease from her mother, who does not have autism or any other neurological disorder. It is interesting to note that Hannah's father is a neurologist.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 8:11:21 AM
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Has anyone else been following the measles outbreak in the United States? Five states now are reporting measles outbreaks. So, these diseases are still very real, even today.
Ooops. I need to made a little edit. Five states have reported outbreaks recently, but they are not simultaneous. Wisconsin is the state with the current outbreak.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 8:56:18 AM
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I haven't heard about that Sideways. Are they saying if the people who have conracted the measles had the vaccine?
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 9:53:08 AM
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I haven't heard about that Sideways. Are they saying if the people who have conracted the measles had the vaccine?
I don't know if they did have the vaccine, but the CDC has quarantined a daycare where three kids got it, and there is another, unrelated case in the same state.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 11:12:24 AM
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I haven't heard about that Sideways. Are they saying if the people who have conracted the measles had the vaccine?
People who have had the vaccine CAN contract the disease, especially if they are not up to date with booster shots. It's more common in adults who skipped their 18yo boosters then in children though.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 2:01:43 PM
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Has anyone else been following the measles outbreak in the United States? Five states now are reporting measles outbreaks. So, these diseases are still very real, even today.
Ooops. I need to made a little edit. Five states have reported outbreaks recently, but they are not simultaneous. Wisconsin is the state with the current outbreak.
I live in the area where the outbreak happened. What happened was first a child who should have had her mmr vaccine didn't because her parents didn't want to risk anything with her health. Her body was covered with the rash when they showed the pictures. The parents used two daycare centers during the time that she was contagious. In one of the daycare centers, two other children got the measles. They were not vaccinated but that was because they were not yet old enough to get it.
So now those two families have two little babies who have the virus because some other parent decided to not vaccinate their child eventhough the risk of that is smaller than the risk of getting the virus and passing it along. The parents also took their child to another daycare center where another child got it. Now we have an adult who has it and they said his case was not connected.
But what gets me is that one set of parents got to by their actions, decide for all of the other parents in the daycare centers that they took their child to whether or not they got to be infected or not. Bottom line is this. If you are going to put your children in a mix with other children, I think you should get your children vaccinated.
If you are going to for the most part keep your family to themselves and not have close contact with many other people, then that is a different story, but to put your child in daycare and not vaccinate, for whatever reason, is wrong. But that is just me and I am watching it happen here. I am going to take my kids to the doc so that they can draw blood just to make sure my kids are still immune because for me, this is way too close to home.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 2:13:02 PM
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How old was the child that "started" the outbreak?
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 2:14:16 PM
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In my state, children in daycare must be vaccinated. We have to provide proof of such.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 2:16:17 PM
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In my state, children in daycare must be vaccinated. We have to provide proof of such.
Most of ours are that way too, as are some of the Charter schools.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/11/2008 3:59:30 PM
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If you are going to for the most part keep your family to themselves and not have close contact with many other people, then that is a different story, but to put your child in daycare and not vaccinate, for whatever reason, is wrong.
But even the most reclusive families usually attend church or something. It's impossible to not be around other people, even if you do keep the child home when they are sick, because people are often contagious before symptoms appear.
How did the first child get measles? Did they travel out of country?
I'd be pretty upset if I had a child to young for the MMR, and they got measles from a child in church or something. Even something as innocent as Library reading hour could spread a nasty illness.
If the first set of parents had a valid medical reason why it was dangerous for their girl to receive MMR, then okay, but you're right, she shouldn't have been in a daycare. I wonder if the other parents might be considering legal action.
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Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 4:51:18 PM
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MrsTracy,
I'm not sure if this is the outbreak, but I just searched GoogleNews (out of curiosity) and found this. It sounds similar to what you described:
"I'm just mad at the parents that come into a day care and they don't have their kids vaccinated. And when you have newborn babies, it's just not right," said Craig Moore, the father of a child who was infect with measles at a Milwaukee day care. Click HERE
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 4:57:13 PM
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The outbreak didn't originate here but apparently someone with Measels flew into SeaTac Airport with it and they had a public health announcement on the news. If you flew on that certain airline, were on that flight or went through that terminal on that day at all you were to contact your doctor or the health department, I can't recall (none of us had flown then). So just like that it has come here too. Scary how easily things can get around. Reminds me of The Stand (Stephen King).
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 5:50:13 PM
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This is probably a controversial opinion, but perhaps a child too young to get the MMR (I think that is a 2-month shot) is too young to be in daycare? If it wasn't measles it would have been something else-daycares, even good ones, are like hospitals, full of germs on a good day!
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