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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 10:50:13 AM
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HHV5
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Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm entitled to my opinions, informed or uninformed.
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Sorry, but I can't consider any of those as being "straight." Just my opinion, to which I am entitled.
-Dave
But do you want to be entitled to an uninformed opinion?
I know you're entitled, but don't you want an informed opinion?
You can't consider any of them as being straight, yet some of them feel attraction to the opposite gender. Either they are lying, or your understanding of what is straight/not-straight is skewed.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 12:58:31 PM
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I gotta admit, I'm not really into clinical aspects of this. I do believe, however, that God made all of us the sex he intended us to be. There probably are many factors that influence how they "feel" or relate later in life (as in maybe teenage years and beyond). These are not God influenced if they are different than the way God intended when they were born. Remember, God doesn't make mistakes.
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These truly are very sad situations, IMO. We need to treat them with love, kindness, and understanding. I think this is different from someone who wants to be, and has an operation to "become" the other sex (regardless of his/her reasoning) or merely someone who cross-dresses. The latter are usually homosexuals, which the Bible calls a sin.
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What if their "reasoning" was that they were gentically male, phenotypically female (or vice versa)? Is it a sin to be a man and woman in oneself, but then make both aspects match up by changing the outside to match the genes?
I think it'd be hard to know if one who has a sex change has a problem like this or not... unless they volunteer the information to a person.
So you think that God intended for one person to be two sexes? There are those who have both the female and male genitalia. Likewise, there are those whose sex chromosomes are XXY, XYY, XXX, etc.
And what "sex" is someone with the male genotype and female phenotype (they are inwardly male-- XY chromosomes, but outwardly they have female parts).
People who "aren't into" the clinical aspects are choosing to ignore a sector of people because they want to remain ignorant (in the sense that if they choose not to know it, it must not exist).
The world is fallen. People sometimes have two sets of organs; people sometimes are female inside (XX) and male outside... or vice versa. People are sometimes born imperfect. This happens with genes, chromosomes and sex organs.
But, IMO, someone who is genotypically a male, is a male. The phenotype would be secondary. It all plays into transgernderism. Anyone can choose to ignore that however.
It's just sad to me because these "abormal" people are often tossed aside when they just had a genetic problem, not of their choosing. We would label them transgendered (some of us would), but some of us just don't want to understand what is going on within some of these people.
Anyway, I'm not sure if we'd decided to discuss this in the other thread or not. (I think we were discussing it in homosexuality/SSA.)
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 1:00:02 PM
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In my most humble of opinions: anyone who wants, needs, or feels led to dress like a member of the opposite sex (for whatever reason), to have a sex change operation, or have an affair with someone of the same sex, is not straight. I'm really sorry if that seems "uninformed" (read unenlightened) to you. Such behavior is deviant, to my mind, and not the way the Good Lord intended us to be.
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Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm entitled to my opinions, informed or uninformed.
-Dave
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Sorry, but I can't consider any of those as being "straight." Just my opinion, to which I am entitled.
-Dave
But do you want to be entitled to an uninformed opinion?
I know you're entitled, but don't you want an informed opinion?
You can't consider any of them as being straight, yet some of them feel attraction to the opposite gender. Either they are lying, or your understanding of what is straight/not-straight is skewed.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 1:14:29 PM
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In my most humble of opinions: anyone who wants, needs, or feels led to dress like a member of the opposite sex (for whatever reason), to have a sex change operation, or have an affair with someone of the same sex, is not straight. I'm really sorry if that seems "uninformed" (read unenlightened) to you. Such behavior is deviant, to my mind, and not the way the Good Lord intended us to be.
-Dave And what exactly is the "opposite sex" to a person who has XXY chromosomes?
Or a chimera that has both XX and XY chromosomes? Or that has both male AND female body parts?
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 1:26:14 PM
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In my most humble of opinions: anyone who wants, needs, or feels led to dress like a member of the opposite sex (for whatever reason), to have a sex change operation, or have an affair with someone of the same sex, is not straight. I'm really sorry if that seems "uninformed" (read unenlightened) to you. Such behavior is deviant, to my mind, and not the way the Good Lord intended us to be.
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Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm entitled to my opinions, informed or uninformed.
-Dave
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Sorry, but I can't consider any of those as being "straight." Just my opinion, to which I am entitled.
-Dave
But do you want to be entitled to an uninformed opinion?
I know you're entitled, but don't you want an informed opinion?
You can't consider any of them as being straight, yet some of them feel attraction to the opposite gender. Either they are lying, or your understanding of what is straight/not-straight is skewed.
Your opinion can be more humble than Mother Theresa, but this is not a matter of opinion. (Your belief that it is deviant behavior is opinion.) The fact that there are some cross-dressers who are straight is not up for debate. You can't change the definition of straight because of your opinion.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:05:41 PM
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You are the one who is changing the meaning of straight. If you want to change your sex, dress in other clothing, etc., knock yourself out. It matters not to me.
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In my most humble of opinions: anyone who wants, needs, or feels led to dress like a member of the opposite sex (for whatever reason), to have a sex change operation, or have an affair with someone of the same sex, is not straight. I'm really sorry if that seems "uninformed" (read unenlightened) to you. Such behavior is deviant, to my mind, and not the way the Good Lord intended us to be.
-Dave
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Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm entitled to my opinions, informed or uninformed.
-Dave
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Sorry, but I can't consider any of those as being "straight." Just my opinion, to which I am entitled.
-Dave
But do you want to be entitled to an uninformed opinion?
I know you're entitled, but don't you want an informed opinion?
You can't consider any of them as being straight, yet some of them feel attraction to the opposite gender. Either they are lying, or your understanding of what is straight/not-straight is skewed.
Your opinion can be more humble than Mother Theresa, but this is not a matter of opinion. (Your belief that it is deviant behavior is opinion.) The fact that there are some cross-dressers who are straight is not up for debate. You can't change the definition of straight because of your opinion.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:11:10 PM
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I'm not getting into clinical abnormalities. We've been down this road before, not too long ago. I have no knowledge of the matter and I'll freely admit it. I was talking about clinically, physically normal people. If you are just arguing for the sake of getting a rise out of someone, go find someone else to argue with.
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In my most humble of opinions: anyone who wants, needs, or feels led to dress like a member of the opposite sex (for whatever reason), to have a sex change operation, or have an affair with someone of the same sex, is not straight. I'm really sorry if that seems "uninformed" (read unenlightened) to you. Such behavior is deviant, to my mind, and not the way the Good Lord intended us to be.
-Dave And what exactly is the "opposite sex" to a person who has XXY chromosomes?
Or a chimera that has both XX and XY chromosomes? Or that has both male AND female body parts?
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:11:33 PM
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Mr Miller - can you please answer my question in post #554?
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:14:13 PM
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See post #557. I'm not going to argue with you.
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Mr Miller - can you please answer my question in post #554?
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:21:04 PM
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I am not trying to get a rise. I am trying to get people to realistically deal with this question.
If you are on the board of a congregation and one of these "clinical abnormalities" wants to get married, what do you tell them? "I'm not getting into clinical abnormalities" is not much help to them is it?
How long can we just ignore these people, or should we just discourage them from being attending our church, or even being believers?
I don't pretend there is any easy answer. It is a very difficult situation.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:27:35 PM
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You are the one who is changing the meaning of straight. If you want to change your sex, dress in other clothing, etc., knock yourself out. It matters not to me.
I was only referring to some who dress in women's clothing but are straight.
Straight = attracted to the opposite gender. I'm not changing the definition.
There are people out there who are straight but wear women's clothing (but not all the time). Your opinion doesn't change the fact that they're straight.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/25/2008 2:28:03 PM
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I'm not in a position of authority in church to say who can and who can't get married to anyone. If I were, I would study the matter and get professional opinions (doctors, etc.). Maybe then I could come to a reasonable assessment. Right now, I can't give an opinion on the matter because I don't have any facts.
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I am not trying to get a rise. I am trying to get people to realistically deal with this question.
If you are on the board of a congregation and one of these "clinical abnormalities" wants to get married, what do you tell them? "I'm not getting into clinical abnormalities" is not much help to them is it?
How long can we just ignore these people, or should we just discourage them from being attending our church, or even being believers?
I don't pretend there is any easy answer. It is a very difficult situation.
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The light of God surrounds me,
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 3:05:29 AM
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I am not trying to get a rise. I am trying to get people to realistically deal with this question.
If you are on the board of a congregation and one of these "clinical abnormalities" wants to get married, what do you tell them? "I'm not getting into clinical abnormalities" is not much help to them is it?
How long can we just ignore these people, or should we just discourage them from being attending our church, or even being believers?
I don't pretend there is any easy answer. It is a very difficult situation.
Though the question is not directed at me, I personnally believe the answer to the situational question is in the fact that marrage is a community activity and is subject to the dictates of the community. That said, the community must then be willing to accept the consequences of their decision, whatever they may be.
Regarding the greater question, these anamolies are the exceptions that prove the rule. The fact that we have to come up with a means of dealing with them tells us that there needs to be a community standard. The Scriptures are silent with regard to these anamolies and therefore must be delt with in the context of the community standard. No standard, no way of determining. Therefore, for the sake of everyone in the community, including the anamolies, we must have standard rules of behavior. I prefer the Torah abased standards, others disagree, which is their right and privalege. We all must answer for our own actions.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 3:55:14 PM
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Wow! I am shocked and stunned how world views have penetrated so deeply into the minds of Christians.
As a wife of a cross-dresser/transgendered person I can tell you that this is a sin!!! I can tell you that it violates several of God's commandments and there is no ambiguity in what those commandments mean.
We can twist every verse of the Bible to put it in context that we want or that makes it less applicable to us now, but we are the ones who change, God does not change.
This issue has almost costs my marriage and I am in the middle of divorce proceedings now, it may very well be the end for this marriage and family. We have three children caught in the crossfire.
This is an addiction. If it is treated as an addiction then there is hope for the relationships the cross-dresser is involved with and there is also hope for freedom from it. That may not mean the feelings will stop, but there are thousands of people who have found recovery from this. I do not believe people are born hard-wired for this particular sin. God is not the author of confusion. God also does not tempt us. We all sin, we have a sinful nature. We come into the world and from the moment we are here we take in all these ideas of the world and we begin to form opinions about ourselves based on these ideas.
A lot of the men that become cross-dressers do so at an early age, yes. But that does not make it some innocent act. A boy merely playing in girls clothes at a young age does not a cross-dresser make. However, as the boy ages and gets old enough to know that these things aren't appropriate for him and he still does it, then he has some attachment, some reason for doing it. That reason is often expressed as comfort, relaxation, and sometimes sexual in nature. Now, this is no different than idolatry or worshiping a false god.
Now, the person has gone to dressing up, creating an elusive other woman, a fantasy is played out that he is a woman or he is merely comforted by the act of dressing. The reasons for crossdressing are as varied as the cross-dressers themselves. But where are we supposed to go for comfort? And if it is sexual in nature and the man is married this is adultery of the heart.
From my personal experience I would say that it does feel like adultery. The Bible describes why it hurts when adultery happens. A man and woman are bound together and become one when they marry. If one breaks off for another it hurts b/c the man and woman are being separated. That is what it feels like when my husband cross-dresses. I know it and I feel it when it is happening and before it happens I know it is going to happen. I know when his heart is not with me. I have never seen him dressed, however I know every time he has b/c I feel it and then eventually I find out either through him confessing or I find evidence somewhere. I know it b/c it hurts when your best friend and husband turns elsewhere. Now, if it hurts me, how must God feel? He gave the ultimate sacrifice and instead of turning to God, the cross-dresser/tg turns to his fantasy. This is an act of turning away. You could say the same about any addiction/habit we have that is more socially acceptable, sure. Some women have a shopping issue, some have issues with food. It's all about not putting your struggles where they belong and also about listening to Satan's lies.
I know at least for my husband and for a lot of others with his struggle it is not unusual for a lot of funds to be blown on clothing, accessories, etc. for his fantasy.
It also is being kept a secret from every friend, acquaintance, church members etc. So, that makes lying easier, at least that is what he says to me. He has become a pathological liar over the years that he has hidden this from me.
I'm not saying that for these people it's as easy as banging them over the head with a Bible or telling them it is a sin. I'm sure they cannot be convinced that it is sin. That is really not the way to go.
My way, I hope, if I get a chance with my husband to see him through while he works on his struggle, is that as he learns more of the Word and as he gets in fellowship with the Lord then he will eventually in time let go of this and he will become obedient. Obedience is hard, we all struggle with that. For me it is often worry, I should not worry (Matt 6:34). However, I do.
I would say we should have the transgendered and the cross-dressers to our churches. If they come dressed up, well I would give it no attention at all. They need to hear the Word and be in fellowship with the Lord. Love the sinner, hate the sin. In time they will see what they are doing is wrong. If it were a man trying to pass for a woman I would quietly let him know that I am aware of the fact he is a man and ask if he ever got to a place where he wanted to some help with leaving that struggle behind that he see me privately and I would give him some resources I know of. I also would not stand for a man dressed as a woman as part of my woman's Bible study. I would not ask him to leave, but I would go get a man from a men's Bible study and explain that we need to extend God's grace to this person and let him in the Men's study however he is dressed. I would expect that he learn that this is sin eventually and that he would come to be repentent about it and stop going to church that way.
We all have struggles, but when we go to church we don't put them on display. I for one have struggled with profane language. I do not go to church and say it, so obviously there is some self-control. I would think it would be less harmful to everyone if the cross-dresser did not come dressed up and make a spectacle of himself, but we don't want to drive away people who need to hear God's message.
As for my husband, this problem of his, well it is not limited to just clothes, it is a whole character thing, like most men with this issue there are a lot of things going on ( including things like narcissism, OCD, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar, depression, etc.). And anyone who thinks this is harmless fun or just about clothes is so wrong.
It is a multifaceted problem and it does hurt other people. It destroys marriages and families, it breaks the hearts of mothers and fathers, and when God made man he called it good, and to change that image that God said is good is to rebel. To refute the Bible b/c the language or our evolution of language results in the Bible not saying the exact term "cross-dressing or transgendered" is to ignore God's wisdom for our lives, ignoring wisdom will result in ...well I recommend you just read Proverbs in its entirety to understand wisdom.
Another way that cross-dressing hurts people is that the Christian cross-dresser/tg who is "out" professing to be as God made him/her and professes to love God with all his heart and yadda, yadda, yadda...for one he is lying...he loves his fantasy, and himself more than anything else. He also is showing the unbelievers and believers who listen to him that it's okay to sin all day everyday, that God loves you and you are going to Heaven b/c you are saved by his grace. But these are foolish and imcomplete teachings. The Bible contains pages upon pages of instruction for our lives and to ignore those instructions, to disobey b/c you are "saved by grace" is a disgrace and it is like spitting in God's face.
You can find any number of even Christian counselors, churches, websites (even Christian ones) who support cross-dressing and tg but they have just adopted a world-view and that is not surprising, b/c so many are now teaching what the world wants to hear. We are all seaking validation that that sin, that one thing we won't let go of (materialism, alcoholism, not giving to church as we should, cussing, anger, jealousy, lust, etc.), whatever sin it is we won't let it go that stands between us and our relationship with God.
God says that to come to him and for him to listen to you that you must first lay down your sin and repent of it. The best thing is for churches to learn how to minister to the cross-dressers and transgendered and there are some ministries out there that help with that.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 5:20:50 PM
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well, I don't know about the genetic stuff, but are all these guys who run around in dresses having their genes tested to see if they are not XY? NO they are not.
They don't want anything to contradict with the myth they believe in order to help them minimize the true nature of their slave to sin.
As for those who have a different arrangement of sex chromosomes, well, I would go with whatever is between the legs, to put it bluntly. If that isn't distinguishable just wait until that kid identifies with his/her self as a girl or a boy they would do it before school age. They will say "I'm a boy" or "I'm a girl", I think it would reveal itself. Also a genetic test could be done but if that is still too close to call, just wait. This is the only case where I would take a que from a person as to their sex.
I also agree that my husband (who is transgendered and cross-dresses) is in no way totally straight. Although he may never ever go be with a guy, he wants to be a girl, and to dress up as a woman and go in public and pass.
Well, that definitely could lead to a man getting interested in him. Also, it is all the sexy stuff he is into, so that to me means he wants to be a sexy woman. I know that is what he wants. But he could never be, he would make an ugly woman, but in his insanity he cannot see that. That's what this is, insanity.
Another thing that makes me know my husband would be tempted to eventually be with a man if he stayed on course in his fantasy life is that in his online affair with someone this "woman" talked about sexual things that really are more for gay men and were very devious in nature. The fact that he thought those were interesting (to put it mildly) proves that he could go there if he allowed himself into a tempting situtation. I would say cross-dressing and transgenderism is a very slippery slope to a gay lifestyle. To me a man who wants to be a woman and wants to act that out in the bedroom is by no means straight. Ugh! I can only pray he breaks free of this for the sake of my family.
This whole thing is an addiction. If it is treated as such it can be helped. I agree a person with this problem should be shown love and kindness and counseled with Biblical truths. They can find freedom from it.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 5:30:49 PM
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well, I don't know about the genetic stuff, but are all these guys who run around in dresses having their genes tested to see if they are not XY? NO they are not.
Some of them do get tested though. But aside from genetics, hormones can do similar things to a person. I know of at least one "gay" man who had a hormone imbalance that made his inward body likened to a female system instead of a male's. He was lactating at a point, but after he discovered what was wrong and got the needed help (he wanted to not be the way he was if he could help it), he's now normal.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people who are "born" this way do have a biological problem. But many are happy to be transgendered, so it doesn't matter to them... other than that's who they are.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 6:01:13 PM
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LOL, if you got professional opinions from doctors and psychologist it would certainly not be Biblical advise. The best way to look at these things would be from a divine view.
The psychology community seems to think it is a okay to be cross-dressing and if that isn't enough to make you happy take hormone and dress up in public and change everything but your genitals for a few months and if you like it, well we can set you up with a surgeon to make your fantasy a reality.
The psychological community currently says this is not a disorder (but take it from someone who lives with one) it is.
There are those in the field of psychology with disenting views, but they are being pushed out by activists and the two that are up for replacement this year as head of APA (hope I got those initials correct) are not of the current popular view. They say this can be helped and they say that too many transsexuals end up depressed and suicidal to overlook another method of handling this.
This behavior gets so bizzare and out of control that it destroys marriages, families and careers. It is not just about a guy sneaking in a closet and trying on panties once in a blue moon. There is a lot more to it in the mind.
There are a lot of good resources out there that are Christian and not condemning of the person with the struggle but at the same time seek to help them out of it, they are offered by men who have been "in their heels" so to speak.
I would absolutely love for all transgendered to take a test to see if they are XX, or XY or something different. It would really remove the argument almost altogether.
check out www.realityresources.com and www.tgifhope.com and help4families.com
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 6:21:39 PM
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LOL, if you got professional opinions from doctors and psychologist it would certainly not be Biblical advise. The best way to look at these things would be from a divine view.
Back in the day, people thought all psychological disorders (ie: schizophrenia) were results of demons. Now we know there are biological causes.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 6:24:08 PM
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As for those who have a different arrangement of sex chromosomes, well, I would go with whatever is between the legs, to put it bluntly.
And you came to this conclusion how? You realize gender is more than the genitalia, right?
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/26/2008 6:31:47 PM
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As for those who have a different arrangement of sex chromosomes, well, I would go with whatever is between the legs, to put it bluntly.
And you came to this conclusion how? You realize gender is more than the genitalia, right?
I was about to say the same thing. Genitalia are secondary, but people think whatever way they want to. The primary characteristics don't have anything to do with what you see outside someone's body. <shrugs>
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/27/2008 1:38:37 PM
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Bravo, tracy1242! You said it much more eloquently than I did, plus you have first-hand experience with the problem.
I shall pray for you and your family to get through this.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/27/2008 3:24:26 PM
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You know, she did say...
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I would absolutely love for all transgendered to take a test to see if they are XX, or XY or something different. It would really remove the argument almost altogether.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/27/2008 4:06:44 PM
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Is this the thread for talking about intersexed people? Oprah had on some folk who had male and female parts and a few other very interesting things. If not can I start one?
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 7/27/2008 4:23:17 PM
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Kath
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I think this is the place Deb. :)
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