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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 1:30:39 PM
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DeeAnnBailey
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I was somewhat astonished to read this:
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...I too am worried about The Perrys...I thought the transition from the "Praise God it's Settled I'm Saved" years to the Loren Harris years that the Perry's made was one of the greatest transformations a group has ever undergone....Loren Harris took The Perrys to the next level where they had a better all male quartet sound than many established quartets...I can only hope that they continue to improve back to the Loren Harris level...
...Many of your reactions to averyfineline.com's comments shows the immaturity and lack of sophistication many of you have toward the southern gospel industry...he's a lot like Simon Cowell...if you really pay attention to what he says-not just the hype-he is usually right...
Here's my bottom line reaction to this comment and similar comments:
Just because someone is negative doesn't mean that they are right. The people who think as I do that Joseph is the best lead singer the Perrys have ever had aren't necessarily wrong because we're positive.
I agree Daniel!
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 2:00:38 PM
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Normally I strongly agree with Daniels viewpoints and strongly am in opposition to Averys postings...but in this situation I had to agree for the most part with what he(Avery) said(Not the way he said it...) Many of the things he mentioned were things I observed several months ago in a concert with the Perrys. I think Joseph is a very talented young artist(who does not compare to Loren Harris IMO) who seems to be a very nice guy. In the concert that I was at, his STAGE presence and vocal acrobatics sometimes detracted from the program... someone identifying himself as Josephs brother said in the last several months he has toned down his "flashiness" considerably, so I may have a different viewpoint if I saw the Perrys tonight.
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ORIGINAL: danielmount
I was somewhat astonished to read this:
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ORIGINAL: crazyjoe
...I too am worried about The Perrys...I thought the transition from the "Praise God it's Settled I'm Saved" years to the Loren Harris years that the Perry's made was one of the greatest transformations a group has ever undergone....Loren Harris took The Perrys to the next level where they had a better all male quartet sound than many established quartets...I can only hope that they continue to improve back to the Loren Harris level...
...Many of your reactions to averyfineline.com's comments shows the immaturity and lack of sophistication many of you have toward the southern gospel industry...he's a lot like Simon Cowell...if you really pay attention to what he says-not just the hype-he is usually right...
Here's my bottom line reaction to this comment and similar comments:
Just because someone is negative doesn't mean that they are right. The people who think as I do that Joseph is the best lead singer the Perrys have ever had aren't necessarily wrong because we're positive.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 2:08:24 PM
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Normally I strongly agree with Daniels viewpoints and strongly am in opposition to Averys postings...but in this situation I had to agree for the most part with what he(Avery) said(Not the way he said it...) Many of the things he mentioned were things I observed several months ago in a concert with the Perrys. I think Joseph is a very talented young artist(who does not compare to Loren Harris IMO) who seems to be a very nice guy. In the concert that I was at, his STAGE presence and vocal acrobatics sometimes detracted from the program... someone identifying himself as Josephs brother said in the last several months he has toned down his "flashiness" considerably, so I may have a different viewpoint if I saw the Perrys tonight.
Now that is worded in an acceptable manner. You said what you thought but not is such a negative way. That's what I've been talking about all along.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 2:37:11 PM
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The good part about that post was admitting it was based on one experience and saying the poster would be willing to change his/her mind based on new information. Some people have a thing against the Perrys, no matter what.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 2:48:40 PM
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It does not matter to me if he changes his mind or not. The good thing about the post is he managed to say the negative things in a positive way. Nothing about his post could be considered slanderous. If Avery would write like that most people would not complain.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 3:09:44 PM
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There's 2 sides to this.
1. Some people simply can't seem to take constructive, honest criticism of their favorite groups. They think that just because they disagree with the commentator that his observations must be totally wrong, and that he must have a bone to pick with the groups or individuals he is evaluating.
2. Some people think that more negative you become the more truthful you become. Not so. I think it's important to be able to maturely note points of disappointment or observation in an artist as long as it is an informed, level-headed, and discretionate opinion.
People in spotlights will always be critiqued to a higher degree than the common bystander, and fans need to accept that. However, there is never an excuse for ranting and raving attacks because of personal grudges, jealousy and uninformed opinions.
One more note: Just as negativity does not necessarily denote accuracy, neither do positive opinions necessarily reflect accuracy.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 3:10:51 PM
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Some people have a thing against the Perrys, no matter what.
Daniel,
I don't know if that is the case. I am a huge Perrys fan. I have followed them since the late 80s. The only reason I could relate with some of what averyfineline posted in the blog was because I witnessed it (vocal acrobatics, dance hop, etc.) first hand the last time I saw the Perrys in concert. Did I walk away from the concert that night no longer a fan of the Perrys, absolutely not. Will I go out and support the Perrys the next time they are close, absolutely. Will I buy the next album they release, as soon as I am able. Perception goes a long way. Even though I didn't have a problem with it, someone else in the audience may have. The individual that provided the concert information for averyfineline to post was that someone else.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/11/2007 5:52:43 PM
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Some people have a thing against the Perrys, no matter what.
Daniel,
I don't know if that is the case. I am a huge Perrys fan. I have followed them since the late 80s. The only reason I could relate with some of what averyfineline posted in the blog was because I witnessed it (vocal acrobatics, dance hop, etc.) first hand the last time I saw the Perrys in concert. Did I walk away from the concert that night no longer a fan of the Perrys, absolutely not. Will I go out and support the Perrys the next time they are close, absolutely. Will I buy the next album they release, as soon as I am able. Perception goes a long way. Even though I didn't have a problem with it, someone else in the audience may have. The individual that provided the concert information for averyfineline to post was that someone else.
I'm not saying Avery does, and I am very definitely not saying you do. But I still maintain that there will always be people who dislike the Perrys, no matter what they do!
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 12:13:45 AM
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Just sitting back to see how the ink flows........
I personally like the Perry's and have been a fan of Joseph ever since Kirk Talley called him on stage at one of his Maryville, Tn. concerts. I will just leave it at that.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 12:39:43 AM
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As far as I can tell, there's no difference between posting to a blog and posting to a message board.
I'm not defending what Doug Harrison wrote at ALL. I thought his post on Habedank was over the top, and I feel that way about a number of his posts.
I just want to speak to those who are lumping all bloggers together as one and the same when you didn't like one post made by one blogger. You're doing the same thing.
Take the "if you can't do it, don't criticize it" comment. How many of you who share that mindset have the ability to attract a respectable number of readers to a blog of your own? Sure, lots of people will read what you write on an established message board that already has a regular built-in audience, but if you can't "do" a blog, you have no right to criticize a blog (by your own definition...not mine...you can criticize my blog any time you want as far as I'm concerned).
Again, I'm not saying Doug was correct. I'm not rushing to his defense. As a blogger myself, I'm simply responding to those who paint with such a broad brush and don't consider how their own actions are virtually identical to what they're complaining about in the first place.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 2:57:33 AM
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Thanks Everyone,
I did go back and re-read Mr Harrison's post. I got the same over the top feeling that I got the first time I read it.
We have performed with The Perrys several times since I came with Ed in 2004. I know how it feels to work for years to obtain a position with a group with such stature. Joseph has impressed me far beyond many young men today. He is blessed to be in such a position at his young age.
I simply get exausted watching people who sit at home, (without a clue of what it takes out of you to do this), become experts of what we do.
I have years of experience at this and I still get my feelings hurt sometimes by what people say. You must have a thick skin. My prayer is that Joseph, and young people like him, simply realize that there are thousands more out here who love and appreciate them.
It is a pleasure to be associated with such respectful and honorable young people. Southern Gospel has a bright future and I am glad to be a small part of it.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 6:05:56 AM
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Thanks Everyone,
I did go back and re-read Mr Harrison's post. I got the same over the top feeling that I got the first time I read it.
We have performed with The Perrys several times since I came with Ed in 2004. I know how it feels to work for years to obtain a position with a group with such stature. Joseph has impressed me far beyond many young men today. He is blessed to be in such a position at his young age.
I simply get exausted watching people who sit at home, (without a clue of what it takes out of you to do this), become experts of what we do.
I have years of experience at this and I still get my feelings hurt sometimes by what people say. You must have a thick skin. My prayer is that Joseph, and young people like him, simply realize that there are thousands more out here who love and appreciate them.
It is a pleasure to be associated with such respectful and honorable young people. Southern Gospel has a bright future and I am glad to be a small part of it.
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I'm glad you're a part of it, too, Dan. I don't know if you remember me, but we met in Mount Vernon, Ohio a few months back when you were in concert with the GloryWay Quartet and the Mountain State Quartet. I mainly talked to Andrew and Bryan, but I did say hi to you then.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 10:21:16 AM
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I simply get exausted watching people who sit at home, (without a clue of what it takes out of you to do this), become experts of what we do.
Dan, great statement.
What really tickles me is the "super fans" on forums like these. You know, the ones who are just the greatest friends of [insert artists name here], and will stick up for them through thick or thin, their character, their professional abilities, even their walk with the Lord....yet you mention them to the artist has and they have absolutely no clue who they are. LOL!
I figure a one good gauge on what kind of "friendship" you have would be, does the artist go out of their way to personally call you? If an artist will call you to visit, chit-chat, etc, then I think you can say you have a true friendship. If you only talk to the artist at concerts, get off your dream cloud and get a life.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 10:33:15 AM
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Although I loved the Loren/Joseph/Libbi/Tracy line-up, it seems that is no longer an option. I definitely miss hearing Loren. I've only seen them one time since Nick came on board and I really enjoyed the concert. Although the crowd was small, you would never have known it by their presentation...all of them, not just Libbi and Tracy. Joseph and Nick sang their hearts out, too (as did BF&A). To me, that's a sign of being a professional, no matter the age.
Libbi and Tracy have made great choices in the past and from what I've seen and heard, I think their track record is safe!
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 11:23:26 AM
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I simply get exausted watching people who sit at home, (without a clue of what it takes out of you to do this), become experts of what we do.
Dan, great statement.
What really tickles me is the "super fans" on forums like these. You know, the ones who are just the greatest friends of [insert artists name here], and will stick up for them through thick or thin, their character, their professional abilities, even their walk with the Lord....yet you mention them to the artist has and they have absolutely no clue who they are. LOL!
I figure a one good gauge on what kind of "friendship" you have would be, does the artist go out of their way to personally call you? If an artist will call you to visit, chit-chat, etc, then I think you can say you have a true friendship. If you only talk to the artist at concerts, get off your dream cloud and get a life.
This is something that should have been said a long time ago. I second this whole post.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 11:38:36 AM
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I simply get exausted watching people who sit at home, (without a clue of what it takes out of you to do this), become experts of what we do.
I have years of experience at this and I still get my feelings hurt sometimes by what people say. You must have a thick skin. My prayer is that Joseph, and young people like him, simply realize that there are thousands more out here who love and appreciate them.
It is a pleasure to be associated with such respectful and honorable young people. Southern Gospel has a bright future and I am glad to be a small part of it.
Dan,
While I completely understand your frustration at hearing someone react to what you do in a negative manner, it seems to me you're advocating a "rose colored glasses" sort of attitude among the fans and bloggers who speak out in public. I don't think that's a good thing for this industry at all. It creates huge egos in many cases.
Have you read Michael English's autobiography? He came up through this industry in a time where some of the fans went Elvis-style crazy over the artists. This, among other issues, led to many problems for him. His book should be required reading for every aspiring superstar. Perhaps some potential pitfalls could be avoided for the next generation of singers. In the 1980s we didn't have outlets for the average fan to express an opinion where it could be read by many, so he was isolated from the sort of discussions artists to day have to face. You mentioned developing a thick skin. That's a good thing, in my opinion...perhaps a little painful as it develops, but it makes you a stronger person as you grow older.
Let me just state this, so hopefully you'll understand where I'm coming from more clearly. As a blogger, any time I write anything constructive, it's because I truly want to see Southern Gospel rise to a higher standard of quality. I love this music. Believe it or not, there are some artists and record execs in the industry who understand this. I know this is true because they've told me they appreciate it and they've asked me and other bloggers to continue to express our opinions, whether positive or negative.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not getting that same feeling from what you're saying. I'm hearing, "Bloggers should just shut up," rather than, "There are more polite ways to offer constructive criticism than this."
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 3:58:01 PM
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I can't agree with you on this, artists have a lot of work they might not have time to personally call chit-chat with 200 or 300 fans (friends). Even I have friends I only talk to 2 or 3 times a year (but they are still my friends  )
P.S. Sometimes a artists knows a face but will not know the name.
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Dan, great statement.
What really tickles me is the "super fans" on forums like these. You know, the ones who are just the greatest friends of [insert artists name here], and will stick up for them through thick or thin, their character, their professional abilities, even their walk with the Lord....yet you mention them to the artist has and they have absolutely no clue who they are. LOL!
I figure a one good gauge on what kind of "friendship" you have would be, does the artist go out of their way to personally call you? If an artist will call you to visit, chit-chat, etc, then I think you can say you have a true friendship. If you only talk to the artist at concerts, get off your dream cloud and get a life.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 7:13:50 PM
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This was Querty's point. Some Fans think they are close friends
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I can't agree with you on this, artists have a lot of work they might not have time to personally call chit-chat with 200 or 300 fans (friends).
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 7:40:09 PM
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Most fans know they are not a very good friends, they just love the groups and are glad when a artist takes the time to be their friend.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/12/2007 9:31:15 PM
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Thanks, American Tenor for your post. Welcome to the forum. Dixie Melody Boys are one of my favorite groups and the Old Man, Ed, just gets better and better.
Post as often as you can.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/13/2007 12:55:08 AM
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Dan,
While I completely understand your frustration at hearing someone react to what you do in a negative manner, it seems to me you're advocating a "rose colored glasses" sort of attitude among the fans and bloggers who speak out in public. I don't think that's a good thing for this industry at all. It creates huge egos in many cases.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not getting that same feeling from what you're saying. I'm hearing, "Bloggers should just shut up," rather than, "There are more polite ways to offer constructive criticism than this."
DB,
I don't believe anyone should "shut up". My only point is there are other acceptable ways to give your opinions other than the way Joseph was done, more than once.
The exausting part is the ones who portray themselves as "experts", when they do not or have not made the sacrifices people like Joseph makes on a daily basis.
Go ahead, give your opinions, by all means, speak freely, but please consider how your words will feel to the ones they hurt.
As for "Rose Colored Glasses" "yeah, I have a response.........WHAT???" ....Said the Caveman.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/13/2007 8:24:35 AM
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I can't agree with you on this, artists have a lot of work they might not have time to personally call chit-chat with 200 or 300 fans (friends). Even I have friends I only talk to 2 or 3 times a year (but they are still my friends )
P.S. Sometimes a artists knows a face but will not know the name.
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Dan, great statement.
What really tickles me is the "super fans" on forums like these. You know, the ones who are just the greatest friends of [insert artists name here], and will stick up for them through thick or thin, their character, their professional abilities, even their walk with the Lord....yet you mention them to the artist has and they have absolutely no clue who they are. LOL!
I figure a one good gauge on what kind of "friendship" you have would be, does the artist go out of their way to personally call you? If an artist will call you to visit, chit-chat, etc, then I think you can say you have a true friendship. If you only talk to the artist at concerts, get off your dream cloud and get a life.
K-fan,
You need to re-read what you commented on above. Your reply is confusing to read. Most of the fans seem to know so much about their favorite artist by going to concerts. Concerts are like Preachers sermons, away from the setting the artist or preachers face the same problems you and I do, therefore for us to comment on anything other than their singing or sermon, would require a much deeper friendship. Close friends keep in Close contact on a more regular basis than 2-3 times a year
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