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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 8:13:46 AM
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Cheney backs Palestinian state
The US vice president has said that a Palestinian state is "long overdue" but has warned Palestinian attacks on Israel "kill the legitimate hopes" of its establishment.
Dick Cheney made the comments at a news conference in Ramallah on Sunday, hours after promising Israelis that the United States supported Israel's "right to defend itself".
"A difficult but immutable truth must continue to be told: terror and rockets do not merely kill innocent civilians, they also kill the legitimate hopes and aspirations of the Palestinian people," Cheney said.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 8:14:56 AM
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Syrian FM: Israel doesn't want peace
Israel pursues aggressive policies which contradict the atmosphere needed for peace, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem said Thursday at a meeting with foreign ministers from other Arab nations, ahead of the Arab summit in Damascus due to commence on Saturday.
The Syrian FM claimed that unlike Syria, Israel does not have a true political desire for peace.
In his opening speech at the meeting, Moallem said that "the aggressive policies and actions that Israel undertakes and which are supported unconditionally by the US create a situation that is not conducive to achieving peace."
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 8:17:00 AM
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Cheney: US will not pressure Israel
Dick Cheney, the US vice president, has said that Washington will not pressure Israel to take steps that will threaten its security and expressed hope for a "new beginning" for the Palestinian people in their own state.
Cheney, who is on a 10-day trip to the Middle East, arrived in Jerusalem on Saturday after spending two days in Saudi Arabia.
"America's commitment to Israel's security is enduring and unshakable, as is our commitment to Israel's right to defend itself always against terrorism, rocket attacks and other forces dedicated to Israel's destruction,'' Cheney told reporters shortly after arriving in Jerusalem.
Note: in the article, there is more anti-Iran rhetoric, similar to what led up the war in Iraq.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 8:20:04 AM
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Olmert defiant on settlements
Ehud Olmert has said that Israel will not stop building on occupied land in and around Jerusalem, defying US criticism and sparking protests from Palestinians during renewed negotiations.
The Israeli prime minister said his government would continue to build hundreds of new apartments in Har Homa in east Jerusalem.
"There will be places where there will be construction, or additions to construction, because these places will remain in Israel's hands," Olmert said during a visit to Israel by Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, on Monday.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 8:23:35 AM
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The following article was very enlightening:
Ten ways Israel keeps Hamas afloat
Say you really want Hamas to win the current installment of the 60 Year War between Israelis and Palestinians. What's the most direct, efficacious way to go about this?
Simple. Just do exactly what Israel does.
The student of history may at this point note that during the 1970s and much of the 1980s, Israeli defense officials, keen to foster a faith-based counterweight to the Marxist ideology of hardline armed groups such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, quietly but crucially aided the leaders of the Gaza branch of the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood - a group which, six days after the eruption of the first Palestinian uprising, was to found the Islamic Resistance Movement, whose acronym was Hamas.
Note: this article is from Haaretz, an Israeli news source, not Arab and not Muslim.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 10:49:43 AM
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The following article was very enlightening:
Ten ways Israel keeps Hamas afloat
Say you really want Hamas to win the current installment of the 60 Year War between Israelis and Palestinians. What's the most direct, efficacious way to go about this?
Simple. Just do exactly what Israel does.
The student of history may at this point note that during the 1970s and much of the 1980s, Israeli defense officials, keen to foster a faith-based counterweight to the Marxist ideology of hardline armed groups such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, quietly but crucially aided the leaders of the Gaza branch of the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood - a group which, six days after the eruption of the first Palestinian uprising, was to found the Islamic Resistance Movement, whose acronym was Hamas.
Note: this article is from Haaretz, an Israeli news source, not Arab and not Muslim.
In a lot of ways, it might as well be. Haaretz is ultra left wing politically, and its editorial staff can be nearly as anti-Israel as any Arab or Muslim "news"" source.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 10:51:40 AM
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Any proof? It seems to me that they are trying to be objective, unlike the JPOST.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 10:56:00 AM
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The curse of the Nablus dream house
It has spectacular views over the city and surrounding area - but that has been its curse.
"This just isn't my home any more," says the 47-year-old Palestinian bank manager, "it might as well belong to the Israeli army."
Less than a month after it was finished, Mr Nasif says Israeli troops banged on the door and came in with dogs and guns, telling all his family to gather in one room.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 10:58:17 AM
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Life in the 'open prison' of Gaza
For years, the spirit of those living here has taken a pounding, not only from the frequent Israeli military attacks but also by fighting between the various Palestinian factions here.
But now the territory's near-complete isolation - brought about by the blockade - may be delivering the final blows to hope.
"It's like being on death row," I am frequently told and almost every Gazan you speak to talks of his land being an "open prison".
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 3/28/2008 11:02:58 AM
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Any proof? It seems to me that they are trying to be objective, unlike the JPOST.
That's my take on them also, they are the left wing peacenik POV in Israel. The proof is in the pudding.
But glad to see you reading something other than al-Jazeera for a change! 
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/11/2008 1:26:44 PM
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U.S., Israel Criticize Carter Plans to See Hamas
WASHINGTON - The U.S. State Department said on Thursday it had advised former President Jimmy Carter against meeting the leader of Hamas in Syria next week, saying it went against U.S. policy of isolating the militant group.
Carter plans to visit Israel, the West Bank, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Jordan during a nine-day trip due to start on Sunday but gave no details of specific meetings.
"This is a study mission and our purpose is not to negotiate but to support and provide momentum for current efforts to secure peace in the Middle East," the Carter Center said in a statement.
Seems to me that one cannot get anything accomplished if you don't talk.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/11/2008 2:05:20 PM
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Then let those who can make a difference do the talking. Again. 
Carter is out of the picture and has no influence.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/11/2008 2:09:38 PM
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Then let those who can make a difference do the talking. Again.
Like who? Bush? Rice?
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Carter is out of the picture and has no influence.
Says who?
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/11/2008 3:55:20 PM
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Like who? Bush? Rice? Exactly my point. They have been capitulating to the PA and Hamas. It is for the direct parties involved to talk if there are to be talks.
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Says who? I don't know of anybody but the terrorist groups themselves who are listening to Carter. Oh, and the NY Times.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/11/2008 3:57:08 PM
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Like who? Bush? Rice? Exactly my point. They have been capitulating to the PA and Hamas. It is for the direct parties involved to talk if there are to be talks.
haha, that's pretty funny. Where'd you get that one? Nobody's talking to Hamas. That's the problem.
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Says who? I don't know of anybody but the terrorist groups themselves who are listening to Carter. Oh, and the NY Times.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/11/2008 4:04:21 PM
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Even Obama isn't listening to Carter...
And don't you think there is a reason Hamas isn't being heard by anyone outside their own circle of friends?
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/14/2008 5:46:11 AM
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Come on Ben. The article does not say that Obama would not listen to Carter. It says that Carter is free to do what he wants as a private citizen and that Obama would not meet with Hamas.
Besides Obama is contradicting himself. He would meet with Iran, whom the U.S. deems a great security risk, and Bush wishes to go to war with. But would not meet with Hamas, a democratically-elected organization, also deemed just as much a security risk as Iran by the U.S.
We missed a great opportunity in 2006 when Hamas was elected into power. We had a chance to show the world that we did care about democracy in the M.E. But we failed and look what happened to the Gaza strip. Look what happened in Lebanon, also another missed opportunity. We continue to slide into moral oblivion as we think we have corner on democracy. We denied the Arab people in the West Bank and Gaza strip their voice in democracy. We said that what they voiced did not matter. Hamas said they were willing to sit down at the table and discuss with the possibility of changing their charter. Never happened because we were too stubborn to recognize Hamas as a legitimate government. This is sad. Carter is right. America has lost it's moral direction. We are peacemakers. Only peace-breakers.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/14/2008 5:52:52 AM
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Son of Ariel pastor injured in blast
The 16-year-old son of a prominent Christian pastor, David Ortiz, was seriously wounded in Ariel on Thursday by a powerful explosion in his home.
The youth was alone at the time and suffered shrapnel injures and burns to his neck and chest.
The bomb, which was apparently in a Purim gift basket, also caused extensive damage to the family's apartment.
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Evangelicals urge police to act on harassment of messianic Jews
A leading evangelical organization in Israel has called on local police to stop "overlooking" cases of "harassment, intimidation and even physical violence" against messianic Jews, in the wake of last month's attack, which seriously injured a member of Ariel's small Christian missionary community. In an open letter released Sunday, the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem condemned the attack against 15-year-old Ami Ortiz, son of prominent messianic pastor David Ortiz, breaking some three weeks of silence on the subject.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/14/2008 5:55:05 AM
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Jimmy Carter: Israel must talk to everyone
Former United States president Jimmy Carter, who arrived in Israel Sunday, rejects the criticism he's been subjected to over his planned meeting with Hamas leader Khaled Meshal. According to Carter, peace cannot be achieved without talking to all the relevant people, and he will use the meeting to promote efforts to release Gilad Shalit and to uncover the fate of soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser. Carter told Haaretz Sunday in an exclusive interview that he intends to check Meshal's willingness to accept the Arab League peace initiative. Carter says that acceptance of this plan by Hamas would be a very positive step.
Carter said ignoring a large segment of the Palestinian people would make it impossible to achieve peace.
Carter also said no one from the U.S. State Department had tried to dissuade him from holding the meetings, and that they were aware of his schedule.
"Before I went to Nepal, I put in a call for Condoleeza Rice just to have a personal conversation with her about my plans," Carter said. "I went over the entire itinerary. She could not take my call because she was traveling in Europe, so she asked David Welch, who is the assistant secretary of state. We had a 20-minute conversation, which was very pleasant, never a single negative word and not a single request that I modify my itinerary."
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/14/2008 4:19:25 PM
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Israel refused to guard Carter, sources say
JERUSALEM - Israel’s secret service has declined to assist U.S. agents guarding former U.S. President Jimmy Carter during a visit in which Israeli leaders have shunned him, U.S. sources told Reuters on Monday.
Meantime, the ex-president toured a rocket-battered Israeli town, saying he deplored Palestinian militant attacks on Israel.
Carter angered the Israeli government with plans to meet Hamas’ top leader, Khaled Mashaal, in Syria, and for describing Israeli policy in the occupied Palestinian territories as “a system of apartheid” in a 2006 book.
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RE: Israelis want to Talk to Hamas - 4/14/2008 4:52:14 PM
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Why should Israel guard him? I wish we didn't have to! 
That is quite an irresponsible statement. He's a former president. He has served his country militarily and as commander in chief. Granted, he wasn't that great of a president, but he is a human being. You wish him dead? That's quite irresponsible.
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