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Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/17/2008 10:36:45 AM
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RichLP
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The Iraq war was good for Israel
I didn't say it. An Israeli leader did.
Note he mentions 1 million dead in Iraq.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/17/2008 11:49:28 AM
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The Iraq war was good for Israel
I didn't say it. An Israeli leader did.
Note he mentions 1 million dead in Iraq.
Okay, for starters, BeBe isn't the first Israeli to comment that 9/11 "helped" Israel, because it woke Americans up to the threat of Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years.
Second, you need to read the article more closely. It wasn't BeBe who talked about 1 million supposedly dead in Iraq, it was Iran's official nutjob, Ahmadinejad, in comments about his belief that the 9/11 attacks were faked.
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Meanwhile, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cast doubt over the veracity of the September 11 attacks Thursday, calling it a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
"Four or five years ago, a suspicious event occurred in New York. A building collapsed and they said that 3,000 people had been killed but never published their names," Ahmadinejad told Iranians in the holy city of Qom.
"Under this pretext, they [the U.S.] attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and since then, a million people have been killed only in Iraq."
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 8:57:36 AM
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Okay, for starters, BeBe isn't the first Israeli to comment that 9/11 "helped" Israel, because it woke Americans up to the threat of Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years.
First off rabstark: it is not Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years; it's the anger of Arabs at Israel having been founded in part thanks to land stolen by Zionist Jews.
Islamic radicalism was later incorporated (regrettably) into the issue.
Secondly, considering the massive aid the United States has been providing to Israel for many years, I find it farfetched at best and inaccurate at worst for anyone to say that Americans have only via 9/11 "woken up" to any struggles Israel faces.
Thirdly, the fact that a former Israeli PM had the affrontery to say this out in public shows what a lot of critics of Israel (yours truly included) have said repeatedly. A consequence of the Iraq war was to boost Israel's security - never mind Iraq posed no threat to Israel. Furthermore, I find it undiplomatic and frankly, classless, that Netanyahu found it within himself not to have the decency NOT to make a statement of the sort - American soldiers are dying and getting crippled and yet he says this war was "good" for his country.
As I said this week in the thread about Iran and nukes, every country looks out for its own self-interests, and Israel is no exception. But this statement is just uncalled for; wrong on many levels.
Lastly, Netanyahu made the preposterous claim that Iran is going to embark "... on a global conflict." Odd. Iran, while strong for a 3rd world country, is no match for the US (or Israeli) military, has no nukes, and has not launched aggressive war since the mid-1750s.
And on the counts of nuclear weaponry and aggressive military action, Iran surely looks better than the State of Israel.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 9:23:42 AM
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Israel plans 100 new homes in W.Bank settlements
JERUSALEM, April 18 (Reuters) - The Israeli government announced plans on Friday to build 100 new homes in two Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, a move Palestinians condemned as another blow to U.S.-brokered peace talks.
A Housing Ministry advertisement published in an Israeli newspaper invited construction firms to bid for the rights to build 48 homes in Ariel, a major West Bank settlement, and another 52 homes in the smaller outlying enclave of Elkana.
The 2003 peace "road map", reaffirmed by Israeli and Palestinian leaders at a conference hosted by U.S. President George W. Bush in November, requires a halt to all settlement activity on occupied land where Palestinians seek statehood. The new tenders drew censure from the administration of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, which recently began implementing its own road map obligation of dismantling anti-Israel factions. The security crackdown, however, is taking place only in the West Bank as Abbas lost control of the other Palestinian territory, Gaza, to rival Hamas Islamists last year.
Israel's credibility continues to slide downward....
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 9:49:25 AM
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First off rabstark: it is not Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years; it's the anger of Arabs at Israel having been founded in part thanks to land stolen by Zionist Jews.
Kind of like the way Native Americans feel in this country about "Manifest Destiny". But I don't see them blowing up other people with rockets and suicide bombers.
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Lastly, Netanyahu made the preposterous claim that Iran is going to embark "... on a global conflict." Odd. Iran, while strong for a 3rd world country, is no match for the US (or Israeli) military, has no nukes, and has not launched aggressive war since the mid-1750s.
Newsflash: Iran is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism. They are trying to fight this global war by proxy. Ahmadinejab thinks himself the Islamic messiah. Also, ask the US soldiers in Iraq where those new and better IED's are coming from.
History has shown that a small, yet determined guerilla force can wreak havoc on the most powerful of armies. Ask the British about those pesky Yankees. More recent examples are the IED's and suicide bobmbers in Iraq.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 9:52:22 AM
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Israel plans 100 new homes in W.Bank settlements
JERUSALEM, April 18 (Reuters) - The Israeli government announced plans on Friday to build 100 new homes in two Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, a move Palestinians condemned as another blow to U.S.-brokered peace talks.
A Housing Ministry advertisement published in an Israeli newspaper invited construction firms to bid for the rights to build 48 homes in Ariel, a major West Bank settlement, and another 52 homes in the smaller outlying enclave of Elkana.
The 2003 peace "road map", reaffirmed by Israeli and Palestinian leaders at a conference hosted by U.S. President George W. Bush in November, requires a halt to all settlement activity on occupied land where Palestinians seek statehood. The new tenders drew censure from the administration of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, which recently began implementing its own road map obligation of dismantling anti-Israel factions. The security crackdown, however, is taking place only in the West Bank as Abbas lost control of the other Palestinian territory, Gaza, to rival Hamas Islamists last year.
Israel's credibility continues to slide downward....
An eye for an eye leaving the Middle East blind again! Both sides need to learn the art of compromise and be able to recognize one indisputeable fact; that neither people are just going to disappear off the face of the earth.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 9:53:50 AM
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 9:58:47 AM
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Kind of like the way Native Americans feel in this country about "Manifest Destiny". But I don't see them blowing up other people with rockets and suicide bombers.
Not all Palestinians are suicide bombers any more than each and every Israeli agrees with the use of force to steal land from the Arabs in the 1940s.
And again, Islamic radicalism only later began to play a role in the Israeli-Palestinian problem.
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Newsflash: Iran is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism. They are trying to fight this global war by proxy. Ahmadinejab thinks himself the Islamic messiah. Also, ask the US soldiers in Iraq where those new and better IED's are coming from.
The president of Iran considers himself the Islamic messiah? No further comment on this odd statement you made.
Read again what I wrote, Mapachito13. Binyamin Netanyahu linked Iran’s ostensible “global” ambitions with the claim Iran is pursuing nukes. There is no proof of the latter and the former is absolutely ridiculous. Iran cannot take over the entire Middle East, how could it have “global” ambitions?
Terrorism, terrorism, terrorism. Such a dirty word, just as “communism” was back in the good ol’ days.
And one more time: Iran CANNOT fight a global war. It lacks the means. It has no nukes. Israel however has a large nuclear arsenal. It has taken territory that isn’t its own. Iran has not launched a war of aggression since 1745. What is Netanyahu thinking?
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History has shown that a small, yet determined guerilla force can wreak havoc on the most powerful of armies. Ask the British about those pesky Yankees. More recent examples are the IED's and suicide bobmbers in Iraq.
So you’re saying we’re going to lose in Iraq?
And if Iran has any influence in Iraq now it’s Bush’s fault – he launched the war on Iraq; Iraq was a natural enemy of Iran.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 9:59:28 AM
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You have heard it said, 'an eye for an eye, and tooth for tooth', but I tell you 'love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you' -- Jesus
Too bad neither side believes in Jesus! 
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 10:58:38 AM
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Not all Palestinians are suicide bombers any more than each and every Israeli agrees with the use of force to steal land from the Arabs in the 1940s.
And again, Islamic radicalism only later began to play a role in the Israeli-Palestinian problem.
But why does it even have to play a role. The west would be more sympathetic to their cause if they weren't using terrorist tactics.
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Newsflash: Iran is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism. They are trying to fight this global war by proxy. Ahmadinejab thinks himself the Islamic messiah. Also, ask the US soldiers in Iraq where those new and better IED's are coming from.
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The president of Iran considers himself the Islamic messiah? No further comment on this odd statement you made.
My bad. Actually, he believes that if he starts a war with the west that the Islamic Messiah will reveal himself.
www.zoominfo.com/people/Ahmadinejab_Mahmoud_865324594.aspx
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So you’re saying we’re going to lose in Iraq?
Yep. Vietnam II. It took the US only four years max in each of the world wars to beat better armed and more numerous forces across many continents. Five years later and the Green Zone still isn't safe. Iraq was formed like Yugoslavia and will fracture like Yugoslavia after we leave whether tomorrow or in ten more years.
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And if Iran has any influence in Iraq now it’s Bush’s fault – he launched the war on Iraq; Iraq was a natural enemy of Iran.
I agree with you here. Iran was part of his "axis of evil" and then we invade Iraq? Go figure?? But then again our troops are in countries on either side of Iran so we are close enough to give Mahmoud a severe spanking if necessary.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 2:47:50 PM
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But why does it even have to play a role. The west would be more sympathetic to their cause if they weren't using terrorist tactics.
Within the context of what I said to Rabstark, “why” Islamic radicalism plays a role was not the matter at hand. Rabstark said that 9/11 “helped” Israel because it “woke Americans up to the threat of Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years.” But this is not true, as Islamic radicalism was not a factor against Israel throughout the entire sixty years since the establishment of the State of Israel.
Moreover, I will ask you Mapachito13. Do you disagree that Benjamin Netanyahu failed to display decency and tact by saying that a horrifying event such as 9/11’s attacks upon our country were “good” for Israel?
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My bad. Actually, he believes that if he starts a war with the west that the Islamic Messiah will reveal himself.
www.zoominfo.com/people/Ahmadinejab_Mahmoud_865324594.aspx
This link led me to a Christian website from where I excerpt this:
Insecurity stemming from the unknown crimps the stock market while Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejab, an Islamic madman, flat-out threatens nuclear war. Ahmadinejab believes war with the west will usher in the arrival of al-Mahdi, their Islamic messiah.
First of all, he is not a madman. He may be a number of things, but he is not a madman. He is the elected president of Iran and he is too rational to launch an attack which would bring back retaliation. As any leader would, he would favor the employment of Iranian military power to defend his country if Iran were attacked (but within the Iranian political system/government, Ahmadinejad is not even the commander-in-chief of the Iranian military. This authority lies within the highest post of Iran, the Supreme Jurisprudence, and this office is occupied by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.). Look up Article 110 of Iran’s constitution.
Moreover, Ahmadinejad has never threatened nuclear war. One cannot threaten to use a weapon which one does not possess, and Iran has never, at any time in his history, weaponized nuclear fuel.
Finally, this website misspelled Ahmadinejad’s name (“Ahmadinejab.”)
Mapachito13, my friend, you may wish to utilize better resources.
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 3:52:13 PM
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Within the context of what I said to Rabstark, “why” Islamic radicalism plays a role was not the matter at hand. Rabstark said that 9/11 “helped” Israel because it “woke Americans up to the threat of Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years.” But this is not true, as Islamic radicalism was not a factor against Israel throughout the entire sixty years since the establishment of the State of Israel.
Islamic radicalism did start with the state of Iran under the Ayatollah Khomenei in the 1970's. They invaded the US Consulate (which by international law IS US soil) and seized hostages for 444 days (terrorist tactics). Ask any intelligence service if Iran is a threat to the US and you'll get a resounding yes! Just due to their financial sponsorship of terrorism and supplying of weapons to the extremists in Iraq they have shown that their government and armed forces are a threat to us. Even though they only have rubber boats, the Iranian "Navy" has been making provocative gestures towards our ships in international waters. They are supplying weapons to their Shiite brethren in Iraq.
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Moreover, I will ask you Mapachito13. Do you disagree that Benjamin Netanyahu failed to display decency and tact by saying that a horrifying event such as 9/11’s attacks upon our country were “good” for Israel?
Netanyahu is like an Israeli neo-con. He contributed a lot to the tension in the middle east. His settlement policies are not productive to peace but are an attempt at annexation of west bank lands. As I said before, until the two sides realize that their problems won't disappear until they enter the peace process in a spirit of compromise, the current bad situation will be regurgitated year after year, decade after decade. But the Palestinians are not mere victims.
The PLO has been around since 1964 and it took them 29 years to recognize Israel in a letter from Arafat to Rabin. They have committed heinous terrorist acts on non-combatants for decades. (Remember the Munich Olympics?)
RichLP, should we ignore these facts or just blindly paint the Palestinians as poor victims?
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RE: Israeli politician: Iraq war good for Israel - 4/18/2008 4:01:29 PM
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Islamic radicalism did start with the state of Iran under the Ayatollah Khomenei in the 1970's. They invaded the US Consulate (which by international law IS US soil) and seized hostages for 444 days (terrorist tactics). Ask any intelligence service if Iran is a threat to the US and you'll get a resounding yes! Just due to their financial sponsorship of terrorism and supplying of weapons to the extremists in Iraq they have shown that their government and armed forces are a threat to us. Even though they only have rubber boats, the Iranian "Navy" has been making provocative gestures towards our ships in international waters. They are supplying weapons to their Shiite brethren in Iraq.
Mapachito13, you’re not reading carefully or you’re just not understanding me.
Again: within the context of what I said to Rabstark, “why” Islamic radicalism plays a role was not the matter at hand. Rabstark said that 9/11 “helped” Israel because it “woke Americans up to the threat of Islamic radicalism that Israel has been facing for 60 years.” But this is not true, as Islamic radicalism was not a factor against Israel throughout the entire sixty years since the establishment of the State of Israel.
But suppose, let us say, that the Iranian events of the late 1970s had an effect on the daily realities between Israel and the Palestianians. So it’s 1979 to now – 29 years. So what of the years between 1948 and 1979? What, if you can tell me, “threat of Islamic radicalism” has Israel faced for “60 years,” as per Rabstark’s earlier comments?
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Netanyahu is like an Israeli neo-con. He contributed a lot to the tension in the middle east. His settlement policies are not productive to peace but are an attempt at annexation of west bank lands. As I said before, until the two sides realize that their problems won't disappear until they enter the peace process in a spirit of compromise, the current bad situation will be regurgitated year after year, decade after decade. But the Palestinians are not mere victims.
Again I ask: do you think his comments were out of line?
Don’t talk about Arafat, 29 years, etc… don’t change the subject. Please stick to that which we are discussing.
Allow me also to ask: do you agree with the link you provided which said Ahmadinejad "flat-out threatens nuclear war," even though Iran has never had nuclear weapons?
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Israel spies on America - 4/23/2008 9:11:40 AM
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Ostensibly patriotic Americans often display a strong level of moral support for the State of Israel, and claim that Israel’s status as a close and reliable ally of the United States is but one of the arguments FOR US support for Israel (support that is massive, to understate the facts).
If any of you fits this bill – if you consider a patriotic American, if you consider support for Israel by our government on the huge scale that it is given to be warranted, and if you see Israel as a solid American ally, then please answer me this.
How do you feel about Israeli spying on our country?
Because the most aggressive foreign country to spy on us is Israel!
And because of Israeli spying, sensitive nuclear technology our country devised fell into the hands of… oh, no one we should worry about… just the SOVIET UNION.
And because, no other foreign country has had as much success in prying loose top-level, top-secret US documents than Israel!
We provide billions in aid every year, we stand by them as the world condemns them at the UN (and the State of Israel violates more UN resolutions than Iraq under Saddam Hussein ever did), and yet Israel does this to their “great benefactor.”
Don’t believe me? Think this is the rant of a hater of Jews, as some of you have accused me?
For more than two decades after he allegedly furnished an Israeli operative with secrets about U.S. nuclear initiatives and sensitive weapons programs, Ben-Ami Kadish lived unnoticed by law enforcement authorities in suburban New Jersey.
Until yesterday, that is, when Kadish, 84, was arrested at his home, taken to a federal courthouse in Manhattan and charged with four counts of conspiracy allegedly for serving as an foreign agent and allegedly for lying to the FBI about a recent telephone conversation he had with his alleged Israeli handler.
Kadish, a mechanical engineer, worked at the U.S. Army's research arsenal in Dover, N.J., in the early 1980s. He routinely checked classified documents out of a library there and passed them to an unnamed Israeli official who had provided a list of what he wanted, according to a four-count criminal complaint the FBI filed yesterday.
So, if you’re a patriotic American who supports Israel and stands by the huge US aid given to Israel every year, what’s your reply to this?
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RE: Israel spies on America - 4/23/2008 12:01:20 PM
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if you consider support for Israel by our government on the huge scale that it is given to be warranted, and if you see Israel as a solid American ally, then please answer me this.
How do you feel about Israeli spying on our country?
Just for a little clarification, this isn't a new case, the spying in question took place at the same time Pollard was operating, in the 1980's and the person accused of being Kadish's handler was also Pollard's, according to the NCIS agent who handled the Pollard case. According to the FBI, whatever information Kadish passed is thought to have been fairly minor, since his security clearance was only "secret" level.
Jerusalem Post's article about the arrest
My response is "so what"? If you're going to get that worked up about it, you'd better point the accusation back at the US. And at the US's other allies. The US spies on our own allies all the time, and they spy on us. About 20 years ago there was a major blow up because a large French spy ring was uncovered operating in the US. The US carries out electronic surveillance against just about everyone, allies included, as well as human asset operations where needed... allies included. In fact the US was fairly recently accused of spying on France.
The game is played by most nations with decent intelligence services, and everyone knows the rules... if you're going to spy on anyone, friend or foe, you do so with the understanding that if your asset gets compromised or captured, you take the consequences. With friendly nations, if the situation goes public, the consequences (as in the case of the French spies and Pollard) take the form of an official protest and the prosecution of any spies actually caught... In the US, that has the added potential danger of possibly facing the death penalty if the spy is a US citizen. With hostile nations, the consequences obviously have the potential to be more dire.
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Don’t believe me? Think this is the rant of a hater of Jews, as some of you have accused me?
If the shoe fits, I guess it's your size.
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Because the most aggressive foreign country to spy on us is Israel!
That's a load of dingo's kidneys, but whatever allows you to sleep comfortably with your anti-Israel and borderline anti-Semitic attitudes, I guess.
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So, if you’re a patriotic American who supports Israel and stands by the huge US aid given to Israel every year, what’s your reply to this?
Again, my attitude is "so what?" We spy on them too, and the spy game goes both ways with plenty of other countries we have provided aid to in the past, and provide aid to now. Mr. Kadish will presumably be tried and if convicted will probably spend what few years (he is, after all, 84) left in prison, unless the judge feels sorry for him because of his age.
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RE: Israel spies on America - 4/23/2008 1:37:27 PM
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Joint declaration by Christian Leaders on Israel’s 60th Anniversary
We, the undersigned, church leaders and representatives of our different denominations and organisations, join together on the 60th anniversary of the Israeli state to offer a contribution to that which makes for peace.
We recognise that today, millions of Israelis and Jews around the world will joyfully mark the 60th anniversary of the establishment of the state of Israel (Yom Ha'atzmaut). For many, this landmark powerfully symbolises the Jewish people’s ability to defy the power of hatred so destructively embodied in the Nazi Holocaust. Additionally, it is an opportunity to celebrate the wealth of cultural, economic and scientific achievements of Israeli society, in all its vitality and diversity.
We also recognise that this same day, millions of Palestinians living inside Israel, the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and the worldwide diaspora, will mourn 60 years since over 700,000 of them were uprooted from their homes and forbidden from returning, while more than 400 villages were destroyed (al-Nakba). For them, this day is not just about the remembrance of a past catastrophic dispossession, dispersal, and loss; it is also a reminder that their struggle for self-determination and restitution is ongoing.
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And the best contribution to that which makes for peace is for all Arabs in the region to recognize Israel's right to exist. That would be a practical deed indeed.
But in my quick reading of the full letter I didn't see that anywhere. 
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RE: Israel spies on America - 4/23/2008 1:49:44 PM
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Whoopee... A list of theological liberals, Catholics, and a tiny smattering of conservatives of a Covenant/Replacement Theological bent. Exactly the sort of anti-Israel flappdoodle I'd expect from the folks on the signatory list
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Joint declaration by Christian Leaders on Israel’s 60th Anniversary
Whoopee... A list of theological liberals, Catholics, and a tiny smattering of conservatives of a Covenant/Replacement Theological bent. Exactly the sort of anti-Israel flappdoodle I'd expect from the folks on the signatory list
Why don't you tell us how you really feel? No, really. Please do.
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Joint declaration by Christian Leaders on Israel’s 60th Anniversary
Whoopee... A list of theological liberals, Catholics, and a tiny smattering of conservatives of a Covenant/Replacement Theological bent. Exactly the sort of anti-Israel flappdoodle I'd expect from the folks on the signatory list
Why don't you tell us how you really feel? No, really. Please do.
Well, I could have used something stronger than "flappdoodle", but it might have been censored. And even a cursory glance at the authors' information and the signatory list tells you pretty quickly where they're coming from.
Is a potentially censored word about that document even remotely Christlike?
What did you exactly disagree with in the document?
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RE: Israel spies on America - 4/23/2008 4:16:28 PM
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stamper_ben
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What did you exactly disagree with in the document? Where's the call for all Arabs in the region to recognize Israels right to exist?
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RE: Israel spies on America - 4/23/2008 4:51:30 PM
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