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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 11:23:54 AM
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Stephanos
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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:
Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732
Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.
Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?
Well when everyone points to the crusades and uses that as part of a justification for why the Islam hates the west and Christianity, I believe that it is only fair for people to respond with pointing out Islamic actions before the crusades took place. People who are ignorant of history who try to point at the crudades or Israel today (esspecialy the years of 1948 and 1967) as justification for the muslems are guilty of their own extream bias.
Is YOUR scope of understanding so small that you can not see that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, and they have been aggressivly attacking other nations, WITH OUT justification since BEFORE the crusades ever happened!
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 11:36:06 AM
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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:
Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732
Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.
Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?
Well when everyone points to the crusades and uses that as part of a justification for why the Islam hates the west and Christianity, I believe that it is only fair for people to respond with pointing out Islamic actions before the crusades took place. People who are ignorant of history who try to point at the crudades or Israel today (esspecialy the years of 1948 and 1967) as justification for the muslems are guilty of their own extream bias.
Is YOUR scope of understanding so small that you can not see that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, and they have been aggressivly attacking other nations, WITH OUT justification since BEFORE the crusades ever happened!
Your posts are always so...interesting...
Let's see, the point that I was attempting to highlight is that there are two sides to a story, and that history occurs all around us. As you will note (since I am assuming you read my post--is this an incorrect assumption?), the history of world religions is scarred with the tragic mixing of faith, politics, corruption, etc. While the Islamic and Christian worlds have committed a great deal of crimes in the name of their respective faiths, other religious cultures have been doing the same thing since the beginning of time (just look at the history of the ancient near-east). The reason that I pointed out the Crusades is because I think there is an underlying Christian belief that the Crusades were actually a legitimate endeavor. I think it might feed into the righteous indignation that American Christians attempt to feel for Israel, in order to support some absurd eschatological perspective (a conversation for a different thread).
So no, my understanding does not preclude any understanding that either Islam or Christianity are religions of peace and/or violence. An astute observer of history would see the important role that the peaceful Islam played in the 5th century CE in re-introducing Aristotle into the world of their time. In fact, it is because of Islam that we even have much of the writings of the ancient world, for when the West descended into the darkness of the dark ages it was Islam that preserved the culture and writings of the ancient worldview. We in fact owe a great deal to the great Islamic writers and thinkers of the world after the fall of Rome (I know, heresy!).
Perhaps it would be useful for Christianity.com to provide a course in church history, so that those of us who have pursued knowledge of our Christian faith would not have to explain knowledge that should commonly be known.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 11:46:07 AM
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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:
Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732
Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.
Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?
It is most certainly not the scope of my understanding, it is simply a counter point to the even more limited point about Israel's actions for the last 45 years or the crusades being used to justify Muslim agression towards Israel and the West. It was meant to point out how some like to conveniently forget about one side of the issue or the other. We can hand pick "proof" of this or that all day long and accomplish nothing. But the dates presented above do make it a little harder to see Islam as the religion of peace since it has been a conquering force since day one.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 11:49:21 AM
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I acknowlege that Islam has done benificial things in the last 1500 years, but I believe that is not the point. People will forget Christianity helped drive Western Civilization, and instead focus on the Crusades, African slave trades, and people like Westborough Baptist Church. People focus on the so called evils of Christianity all the time, yet when it comes to other religions, they pretend those evils do not exist. No one likes to hear, as you have shown, that Islam has been commiting acts of violence and aggression since before the Crusades (and before they began reintroducing the world to classical works for that matter). People dont want to hear that because they have diluted themselves to actualy believing the proporganda that Islam IS a peaceful religion and they only want peace. Which based on their entire history is a complete and utter lie. Christians who commit evil acts are, even if not at the time of the act, most always later condemned for their actions as going against the Truth of Christ Jesus. In Islam, if someone commits a evil act (such as blowing themselves up in the name of Alah), they are praised as martyrs of the faith. Does that not point out the distinct difference between these two religions?
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/12/2007 1:50:53 PM
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Abbas says coup in works as Hamas strikes
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Hamas gunmen stormed a Fatah security headquarters in Gaza City on Tuesday, moving Palestinians closer to civil war, minutes after a deadline from the Islamic group to its rival to withdraw from key government buildings expired.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas accused his Hamas rivals of staging a coup and called for a cease-fire. That call went unheeded and instead Hamas and Fatah militants threatened to kill each other’s leaders.
Abbas’ Fatah faction said its Central Committee would meet Tuesday night to decide whether to remain in the unity government it formed with Hamas in March in a bid to stop internal violence and ease Western sanctions.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/12/2007 6:02:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: EverLearning
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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:
Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732
Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.
Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?
It is most certainly not the scope of my understanding, it is simply a counter point to the even more limited point about Israel's actions for the last 45 years or the crusades being used to justify Muslim agression towards Israel and the West. It was meant to point out how some like to conveniently forget about one side of the issue or the other. We can hand pick "proof" of this or that all day long and accomplish nothing. But the dates presented above do make it a little harder to see Islam as the religion of peace since it has been a conquering force since day one.
Fair enough. I agree with you completely that it is absolutely imperative to consider all issues. We must understand the faith of Islam not just in its contemporary form of extremism, but must also see its development in the course of its own history. I certainly do not want my Christian faith associated with the extreme fundamentalism of American Christianity today (o.k., cheap shot...). But, I am a liberal... 
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/25/2007 1:26:50 PM
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Israel braces for July war with up to five enemies
JERUSALEM — Israel is preparing for an imminent war with Iran, Syria and/or their non-state clients.
Israeli military intelligence has projected that a major attack could come from any of five adversaries in the Middle East. Officials said such a strike could spark a war as early as July 2007.
On Sunday, Israeli military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin told the Cabinet that the Jewish state faces five adversaries in what could result in an imminent confrontation. Yadlin cited Iran, Syria, Hizbullah, Hamas and Al Qaida.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2007/me_israel_06_25.asp
There's no way IF this happens that we can sit by.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/25/2007 2:49:41 PM
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Hamas releases recording of captured soldier's voice
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In the tape, Schalit also called on the government to meet Palestinian demands for a large-scale prisoner swap, "especially since I was in the middle of military service, on a military operation and I was not a drug dealer" - probably said in reference to Elhanan Tannenbaum, who was abducted by Hizbullah and released as part of a prisoner exchange deal in 2004 and subsequently admitted that he had entered Lebanon to conduct a drug deal.
"Just as I have parents, a mother and father, the thousands of Palestinian prisoners have mothers and fathers to whom their sons must be returned," he said. "I have a great hope from my government that it show more interest in me and meet the demands of the mujahideen (captors,)" he said.
Schalit's father, Noam, listened to the tape on Channel 2 television, asking the station to play it a second time for the soldier's mother to hear. He said it appeared that the statement was coerced.
"We want somebody independent to see him, to examine him and the conditions under which he is held, his medical condition of course and his mental (state.)"
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/25/2007 3:05:35 PM
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And yet another kidnap victim...
Kidnapped Journalist In 'Bomb Belt' Video
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In the short tape, which has the title Alan's Appeal, Mr Johnston warns that the explosives will be detonated if an attempt is made to free him by force.
"Alan's Appeal" Yes, they're even giving titles to the tapes they release now.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/25/2007 3:43:56 PM
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And yet another kidnap victim...
Kidnapped Journalist In 'Bomb Belt' Video
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In the short tape, which has the title Alan's Appeal, Mr Johnston warns that the explosives will be detonated if an attempt is made to free him by force.
"Alan's Appeal" Yes, they're even giving titles to the tapes they release now.
Yeah i heard about this one, gotta love how the peace loving muslims blame those who would save this reporter for his predicament. Never mind that they kidnapped him, it is the fault of his rescuers that he might be blown up.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/27/2007 2:53:51 PM
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Seems Abbas finally recognizes terrorists...
though only when they were coming after him. 
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“Murderous terrorists!’ he exploded, as in what the Associated Press called “an uncharacteristically fiery speech” he employed a word which research could well show has never passed over his tongue before in reference to his own people.
What finally got to him?
According to reports, Abbas had obtained undeniable evidence that Hamas, the Islamist group that last week drove him out of the Gaza Strip, had meant the bomb for him, planning to kill him Beirut style.
Source here
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/27/2007 3:55:05 PM
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Israelis Struggle With Notion of Abbas As Peace Partner
By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
June 27, 2007
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Many Israelis are struggling to accept the notion that Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas is now a sincere peace partner - especially amid reports suggesting that some members of his Fatah faction already are siding with Hamas.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert hailed the Hamas takeover in the Gaza Strip as a great "new opportunity" for Israel to make peace with Palestinians in the West Bank, where Fatah still holds sway.
Olmert met with Abbas, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan's King Abdullah II on Monday, in what was characterized by to be a meeting of the "moderate" leaders of the Middle East.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200706/INT20070627a.html
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/27/2007 7:21:35 PM
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Bolton: I'm 'very worried' for Israel
By DAVID HOROVITZ
Sanctions and diplomacy have failed and it may be too late for internal opposition to oust the Islamist regime, leaving only military intervention to stop Iran's drive to nuclear weapons, the US's former ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.
Worse still, according to Ambassador Bolton, the Bush administration does not recognize the urgency of the hour and that the options are now limited to only the possibility of regime change from within or a last-resort military intervention, and it is still clinging to the dangerous and misguided belief that sanctions can be effective.
As a consequence, Bolton said he was "very worried" about the well-being of Israel. If he were in Israel's predicament, he said, "I'd be pushing the US very hard. I am pushing the US [administration] very hard, from the outside, in Washington."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1182409649665&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Agree w/ this great former representative for the USA.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/2/2007 10:37:08 AM
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Hamas's plans for Temple Mount foiled
Hamas's attempts to take over control of the Temple Mount as well as spread its ideology and recruit new members in Jerusalem have been foiled by the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency), a senior security official announced Monday.
According to officials, Hamas has invested millions of shekels in recent years in Jerusalem charities and religious institutions, as well as in construction on the Temple Mount, in an effort to recruit Israeli Arab residents of Jerusalem into its ranks, thus bolstering its presence in the capital.
The official said that Hamas has recently enlarged a library and several prayer halls in Solomon's Stables and also built a public bathroom facility.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1183053083917&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/16/2007 6:00:06 AM
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US: Increase awareness at embassy in Tel Aviv
State Department issues warning that American buildings targeted for suicide bombings; citizens told to leave Gaza, West Bank, exercise caution
Yitzhak Benhorin Published: 07.14.07, 21:29 / Israel News
WASHINGTON - The American State Department has issued a warning Saturday to citizens and residents of the US living in Israel.
The warning was released after information was received that suicide bombings were planned against American institutes, restaurants and businesses in Israel that are connected to the US, especially in Jerusalem.
The warning refers to the "general state of security in Israel, Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and to the repeated threats against American citizens and sites."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3425324,00.html
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/19/2007 4:26:33 PM
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Recognition for the Silent Jewish Refugees
By Andrew G. Bostom
Summary
The bicameral Congressional Human Rights Caucus (CHRC) will hold a landmark hearing on Thursday July 19th regarding the hundreds of thousands of Jews forced to flee their communities in the Arab Muslim nations as a result of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Oriental Jews suffered profound violations of their basic human rights under the Islamic regimes throughout North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf Region.
This persecution -- including pogroms and expropriations -- caused their subsequent flight despite longtime residences in these countries. The two decades following World War II witnessed a rapid dissolution of the major Jewish communities in the Arab Muslim world (and beyond, including Afghanistan, as well as the significant attrition of the Jewish population in Turkey). Even the first decade after World War II saw a reduction by half in the overall Jewish population of the Arab countries.
The July 19, 2007 congressional hearing on Jewish refugees has an immediate, practical goal of providing US legislators with preliminary information before voting on House Resolution 185 and Senate Resolution 85. Under the proposed legislation, the US president would be required to instruct all official representatives of the United States that "explicit reference to Palestinian refugees be matched by a similar explicit reference to Jewish and other refugees, as a matter of law and equity." The historical legacy of this mass Jewish exodus elucidates the bare minimum equity provided in these resolutions. This Thursday's CHRC hearings provide a unique window on the legacy of dhimmitude and Islamic antisemitism which caused the tragic exodus of some 900,000 Jews from the Arab (and non-Arab Muslim) nations, liquidating most of these ancient communities.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/recognition_for_the_silent_jew.html
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/19/2007 7:41:12 PM
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Another anti-Arab article with no facts to back it up. What about the millions of Palestinian refugees spread throughout the world, with no identity and no home?
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/19/2007 8:30:02 PM
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^^^It's a long article w/ quotes,etc.; how many articles on a daily basis does the NY Times write w/ full reference material at the bottom of the story..never. It's not a regular practice for the news media.
Yes, I'm worried about the so called millions of spread out Palestinians, since many are potential terrorists against the USA; this is a trait I do not ind in the Israelis.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/19/2007 9:25:53 PM
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I didn't see any reference material at the bottom of the story.
The author's not talking about Israelis. He's talking about Jews.
And, if we see millions of Palestinians as potential terrorists, then we're showing an automatic bias against them, and that affects how we talk to them or act around them. Get rid of the bias and see them as potentially God's children, if He so chooses. We must show God's love to all people, whether or not they are part of a particular group of people. Perhaps, they only see Americans as war-mongers, which is what we appear as to a majority of the rest of the world. As individual Americans and as Christians, we should portray something different.
The article is incredibly biased with quotes which have no reference points to go to.
Fact is, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived well together in Iraq until we went in there.
Jews, Christians, and Muslims live well together in Syria, particularly in Damascus. Betcha you didn't know that. And there is not a dhimmi tax there.
Jews, Christians, and Muslims live well together in Jordan and Egypt.
So, tell me, what countries have these 900,000 Jews been kicked out of? I've named most of the ones surrounding Israel.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/19/2007 9:39:58 PM
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Been there, done that bought the t-shirt: I have witnessed before muslims, arabs, gays-all peoples and fund missions.
I am not saying all missing or so called displaced Palestinians are terrorists against the US & out interests..but many.
Having any Israelis, Jewish folk unaccounted for does not raise my own terrorist threat alert against the USA.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/21/2007 1:38:45 PM
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July 21, 2007
Why Does the Left Hate Israel?
By Richard Baehr
An American Thinker Classic
For decades, most American Jews have believed there were far greater threats from the fringe right than the fringe left in this country. While this view may have been reasonable in the past, it is certainly not so today. The fringe right still exists— the neo—Nazis in Northwest Idaho, Matthew Hale, and David Duke, and the remnants of the KKK. But the views of the fringe right have been marginalized by their repudiation by virtually all mainstream elements on the political right.
The fringe left, on the other hand, has evolved into a broader left, and become more mainstream. The political perspective of this new left is vehemently anti—Israel, and the power and reach of this movement represent a real threat to Israel, and by extension to Jews who support Israel.
What is the Left?
The left does not mean the Democratic Party in Congress. When pro—Israel resolutions come before the Congress, due in part to the extraordinary efforts of AIPAC [America Israel Public Affairs Committee], a very high percentage of both Democrats and Republicans vote a solidly pro—Israel agenda. There are some small differences between the parties, however, especially in the House. In particular, the support for Israel among African American Congressmen, all Democrats, has dropped in recent years. However, the defeat in the 2002 cycle of Cynthia McKinney, and Earl Hilliard, two members who were hostile to Israel, and the election to their seats of Denise Majettte and Arthur Davis, has put two highly visible, very pro—Israel African Americans into the Congress.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/why_does_the_left_hate_israel_2.html
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/21/2007 5:06:27 PM
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It's not a matter of hating Israel, but hating Israel's policies. Also, it's where the money is. If you look at who votes for policies regarding Israel, you will see that everyone of them received campaign contributions from AIPAC and/or other pro-Israel lobbies. Cynthia McKinney is even on the list of receiving campaign contributions, but she also received money from CAIR. Her opponents received more money than she did from the pro-Israel camp. Just follow the money trail. All of our pro-Israel policies are mostly about money.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 7:50:02 AM
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Here you can read about new organization that will fight for Israel. And here you can watch the event (Site in Polish, but in the bottom you have 10 minute movies - of course you can watch also on Youtube. However, I think this organization is doing well and even when for example mr Max Blumenthal thinks the Bible is not true, that's his problem when he doesn't look on problems from spiritual point of view. Who would fight for this peace of dust?
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And since when has land for peace ever worked in the history of man kind. WE tried that with Hitler and we all know how well that worked out. Maybe all the people that say Isreal should give baak its land should also petition the American Gov. to be held to the same standard. That means never defending our selves, and giving back land to The French, British, Russians, Mexicans, Hawaiians, and most importantly the Native Americans. We would never hold any other country to the standard that we try to force on Israel, making them negoatiate with terrorist and never defending its self.