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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/6/2008 12:23:40 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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Well, I can HOPE for the peace of Jesus to come over me, and KNOW the reality of that fact because it is written in the Word. I have seen it nowhere in Scripture to hope that RP was gonna win. 
You're correct, it says:
Daniel 2:20-22
"and [Daniel] declared:
May the name of God
be praised forever and ever,
for wisdom and power belong to Him.
He changes the times and seasons;
He removes kings and establishes kings.
He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to those
who have understanding.
He reveals the deep and hidden things;
He knows what is in the darkness,
and light dwells with Him."
Guess I didn't have as much wisdom, knowledge, or understanding as I needed in this matter. I just can't bring myself to vote for the Media's choices --- Obama, Hillary, or McCain; I'll have to study more on Romney and Huckabee and where they each stand on the issues.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/6/2008 2:09:27 PM
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thomas2008
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Well the question I have is this...
I've seen on the web great support for Ron Paul but did those supporters actually get out and vote yesterday? Or were they just making some noise? I personally did more than talk the talk, I actually went out and voted for Ron Paul during the Michigan primary.
I believe that Ron Paul does not continue his run under either as an Independent or a Libertarian he will bring great disappointment on those who are supporting him. Without Ron Paul in the race who do we actually have that is worth voting for?
I've talked to some who have said that they're not even voting. Their right, because what good is voting anyhow? We've got the big candidates on either side that are going to continue in the footsteps of previous Presidents.
Now, excluding Ron Paul....When we compare the two of the major candidates...John McLame and Hillary, are they that different? They both are going to support big government, and wasteful government spending. So why doesn't the Democrat and Republican candidate just decide who's going to be President and who's going to be Vice President and go from there.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/6/2008 8:35:16 PM
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Well the question I have is this...
I've seen on the web great support for Ron Paul but did those supporters actually get out and vote yesterday? Or were they just making some noise? I personally did more than talk the talk, I actually went out and voted for Ron Paul during the Michigan primary.
I believe that Ron Paul does not continue his run under either as an Independent or a Libertarian he will bring great disappointment on those who are supporting him. Without Ron Paul in the race who do we actually have that is worth voting for?
I've talked to some who have said that they're not even voting. Their right, because what good is voting anyhow? We've got the big candidates on either side that are going to continue in the footsteps of previous Presidents.
Now, excluding Ron Paul....When we compare the two of the major candidates...John McLame and Hillary, are they that different? They both are going to support big government, and wasteful government spending. So why doesn't the Democrat and Republican candidate just decide who's going to be President and who's going to be Vice President and go from there.
Ya know....youve got a point there.....
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/8/2008 3:53:20 PM
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thomas2008
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Ron Paul would do good if he would call it quits on the Republicans and take what money he has and go to the Libertarians. That way he is giving those of us who are supporting him a voice. By dropping out completely the voices of those of us who actually do believe in our Constitution will be lost. Ron Paul's own momentum would do really good to the Libertarian Party.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/8/2008 4:14:42 PM
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Liberty actually let him speak? Wow! Oh that's right, Falwell's not there anymore.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/8/2008 6:34:22 PM
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Ron Paul would do good if he would call it quits on the Republicans and take what money he has and go to the Libertarians. That way he is giving those of us who are supporting him a voice. By dropping out completely the voices of those of us who actually do believe in our Constitution will be lost. Ron Paul's own momentum would do really good to the Libertarian Party.
Yeah, and then he ought to run for his Congressional seat as a Libertarian too.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/8/2008 9:09:08 PM
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As I have said come voting day, will it really matter who we vote for? Whether we vote for the Democrats or Republicans, we're still going to be in the same situation that we've been in. They're not going to make America any better, its just going to get worse.
I don't question the Ron Paul supporters passion, but with all the support that Ron Paul has had, why, why did we do so bad in the primaries? Are people really wanting change to this country or what? This country is headed for disaster, and to sit around and rely on someone like McCain, who is for big government, where is his solutions? What makes him such a good candidate for President?
I believe that allot of people who supported Ron Paul expected miracles, but didn't realize that it takes more than just going to the streets holding banners. We've got to be doing more. Our founding fathers would have expected more out of us, and I feel that we have let them down again.
How far is America going to sink before people get their heads out of the sand and face the reality that we've got problems? Everyone thinks that things in this country is fine and dandy. It's not, and I'm scared for my country. I've got two nieces, one who is 9 and one who is 1...then I have a nephew who is 3 that live in Flint. I wonder what kind of country are we leaving them with? If we make it that long, cause I think Christ's return is coming soon. But if I'm wrong, what kind of mess will they have to clean up?
God help this country.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/9/2008 9:13:12 PM
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There was very little coverage of Ron Paul in the mainstream media. The amount of speaking time for Ron during the debates was rather paltry.
How many labor unions, public employees, hardcore GOP'ers, evangelicals or employees of defense-related industries would even vote for Ron Paul?
His message of constitutional government, the end of foreign entanglements, and sound money has resonated among many of us. I will not vote for McHuckabee, even if he is nominated...
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As I have said come voting day, will it really matter who we vote for? Whether we vote for the Democrats or Republicans, we're still going to be in the same situation that we've been in. They're not going to make America any better, its just going to get worse.
I don't question the Ron Paul supporters passion, but with all the support that Ron Paul has had, why, why did we do so bad in the primaries? Are people really wanting change to this country or what? This country is headed for disaster, and to sit around and rely on someone like McCain, who is for big government, where is his solutions? What makes him such a good candidate for President?
I believe that allot of people who supported Ron Paul expected miracles, but didn't realize that it takes more than just going to the streets holding banners. We've got to be doing more. Our founding fathers would have expected more out of us, and I feel that we have let them down again.
How far is America going to sink before people get their heads out of the sand and face the reality that we've got problems? Everyone thinks that things in this country is fine and dandy. It's not, and I'm scared for my country. I've got two nieces, one who is 9 and one who is 1...then I have a nephew who is 3 that live in Flint. I wonder what kind of country are we leaving them with? If we make it that long, cause I think Christ's return is coming soon. But if I'm wrong, what kind of mess will they have to clean up?
God help this country.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/9/2008 9:47:26 PM
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RP now sees keeping his congressional seat as more important than reaching the presidency.
Ron Paul pivots to his reelection
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Last night, the libertarian-leaning Texas congressman sent a message to his supporters signaling that he was scaling back his presidential bid.
The most telling passage:
"I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen."
I can tell you from this close up view that he is in trouble here at home. It might be best if he keep the anti-war crowd that followed him around the county in the blimp away from the 14th CD. (Bet he'll be able to do that, whereas he wasn't able to stop the neo-Nazi's from contributing to him. )
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/11/2008 8:46:13 AM
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Ron Paul would do good if he would call it quits on the Republicans and take what money he has and go to the Libertarians. That way he is giving those of us who are supporting him a voice. By dropping out completely the voices of those of us who actually do believe in our Constitution will be lost. Ron Paul's own momentum would do really good to the Libertarian Party.
He ran as Libertarian in 1988. I don't think he agrees with all their platforms. The Libertarians believe that abortion should be legal and Dr. Paul is pro-life.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/11/2008 10:14:19 AM
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If Ron Paul does not run as an independent, come November, those who have supported him, who do vote for? Our voice in 2008 will be silenced. We can't with a clear conscience vote for anyone else can we?
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/11/2008 10:36:04 AM
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If Ron Paul does not run as an independent, come November, those who have supported him, who do vote for? Our voice in 2008 will be silenced. We can't with a clear conscience vote for anyone else can we?
If Ron Paul is not on the November general election ballot, you can do the only thing that will leave you with a clear conscience. That is to "write-in" Ron Paul and vote for him that way. I'm sure there will be many, many voters around the country doing the same thing.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/11/2008 10:42:58 AM
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Dear Paulitistas,
It's official. Paul sees trouble right here in his own backyard and needs to try to save his pork House seat.
I hear the Prohibition Party is looking for support.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/11/2008 1:10:35 PM
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If Ron Paul does not run as an independent, come November, those who have supported him, who do vote for? Our voice in 2008 will be silenced. We can't with a clear conscience vote for anyone else can we?
In most states there will be other fringe candidates to vote for: Libertarian, Green Party, etc.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/12/2008 7:03:20 AM
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One thing is for sure, RP dosen't seem to have any middle ground; He's either the answer, or the Great Satan. Funny how someone 'polling at only 4 percent' as so many, must keep pointing out, has 21 pages of comments posted.
Premiere radio's Mike McConnell summed it up pretty well in a conversation with a rather zealous RP supporter; "He has the right message, but the wrong person" in other words, he has no 'star power' not photogenic enough, etc., to get the attention of the media. I'll still vote for him Mar 4th.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/12/2008 7:22:39 AM
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One thing is for sure, RP dosen't seem to have any middle ground; He's either the answer, or the Great Satan. Funny how someone 'polling at only 4 percent' as so many, must keep pointing out, has 21 pages of comments posted.
Premiere radio's Mike McConnell summed it up pretty well in a conversation with a rather zealous RP supporter; "He has the right message, but the wrong person" in other words, he has no 'star power' not photogenic enough, etc., to get the attention of the media. I'll still vote for him Mar 4th.
Well this a very good point. Ron Paul doesn't have allot of star power. Which I find very sad, because there are a number celebrity "Libertarians" out there. Where is there support. As I have said, I am very disappointed in many of the so called supporters of Dr. Paul. If there is so much support, why did he do so poorly in the primaries?
I believe that America truly isn't ready for Ron Paul's message. I don't believe it was God's Will for Ron Paul to win, because I believe that Christ's return will be soon.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/12/2008 9:39:05 AM
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I believe that America truly isn't ready for Ron Paul's message.
Like other "kooks" before him, he'll be regarded as a political prophet a decade or so from now.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/12/2008 9:46:46 AM
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I believe that America truly isn't ready for Ron Paul's message.
Like other "kooks" before him, he'll be regarded as a political prophet a decade or so from now.
Examples of kooks that became prophets? Presidential candidates, I presume?
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/12/2008 10:25:45 AM
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The delegate count so far prior to this past Saturday's voting was as follows:
"...no intention of dropping out until one of the Republican candidates had amassed the 1,191 delegates needed to be the nominee. Before Saturday’s voting, Mr. McCain had 703 delegates, Mr. Huckabee, 190, and Mr. Paul, 42......"
NY Times
Not sure how many were picked up by candidates on Saturday, Huckabee got at least 36 perhaps.
Potomac primaries are today.
Texas and others on March 4th.
It's a long time until the convention and McCain does not have it wrapped up yet as some would lead you to believe.
There are still three in the Republican race and I encourage everyone to vote for Ron Paul. The Ron Paul rEVOLution is truly the continuation of the original American Revolution. This nation is slipping back into the control of the empire. We must assert our God given rights of life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness and restore the American Republic to its constitutional foundations. Vote for Ron Paul 2008!!!
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/12/2008 10:49:09 AM
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The Ron Paul rEVOLution is truly the continuation of the original American Revolution. This nation is slipping back into the control of the empire. We must assert our God given rights of life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness and restore the American Republic to its constitutional foundations. Vote for Ron Paul 2008!!!
The British are coming ????????????????????
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/13/2008 1:38:37 AM
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Chuck Baldwin really tells it like it is. Why are so many Christians being deceived?
ChuckBaldwinLive.com
"................Both George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush have contributed to the tyrannical goals and ambitions of the super-elite. So has Bill Clinton. If John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is elected, they will follow in the globalist footsteps of their predecessors.
The Christian professions of our political leaders mean nothing. Absolutely nothing! Putting an "R" behind his or her name also means nothing. Neither does calling oneself a "conservative" mean anything. Our political leaders are mostly walking in lockstep with the evil designs of the super-wealthy. Ditto for the executives who control our major media.
And our Christians and ministers seem to be absolutely clueless.
James Dobson endorses Mike Huckabee, as does Jerry Falwell, Jr., while Gary Bauer endorses John McCain. Yet, the truth is, one is as bad as the other. In fact, Huckabee is posturing himself to be McCain's running mate after McCain wins the nomination. Does anyone really believe that Mike Huckabee would turn down an invitation from John McCain to be his running mate? Get serious! Mike Huckabee would support the liberal, Big-Government John McCain with all of the enthusiasm he could muster. Why? Because Huckabee, himself, is a Big-Government liberal who has joined ideological forces with the super-elite who run both parties.
And no one within the Religious Right seems to get it. Say you are "pro-life" and "pro-family" and you are "in." Forget the Constitution. Forget national sovereignty and independence. Forget the principles of sound money. Forget the Bill of Rights. Forget "Just War" theory. Forget non-interventionism. Forget protecting American jobs and manufacturing. Forget putting America first. It's all about getting along with the establishment, having a seat at the table, and enjoying the perks of power.
Christians are supposed to be different. We are supposed to think differently. We are clearly commanded to "be not conformed to this world."................"
"..................Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the Lord Jesus Christ. It was the political and business elite who oppressed our Pilgrim forebears. It was the political and business elite who tried to stamp out liberty and independence from the American colonies. And it is those same political and business elite who are forcing globalism, socialism, and fascism upon the American people today.
And our pastors and churches seem to be absolutely clueless.
Furthermore, when someone appears from outside the elitist mainstream, someone such as Congressman Ron Paul, he is ostracized, ignored, and even lampooned by the very people who should embrace and support him most: evangelical Christians........................"
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/13/2008 10:30:52 AM
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FactCheck.org has a page up on some of the bogus assertions of Wrong Paul.
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Furthermore, when someone appears from outside the elitist mainstream, someone such as Congressman Ron Paul, he is ostracized, ignored, and even lampooned by the very people who should embrace and support him most: evangelical Christians........................
We should support someone that can't tell the truth?
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/13/2008 12:06:50 PM
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FactCheck.org has a page up on some of the bogus assertions of Wrong Paul.
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Furthermore, when someone appears from outside the elitist mainstream, someone such as Congressman Ron Paul, he is ostracized, ignored, and even lampooned by the very people who should embrace and support him most: evangelical Christians........................
We should support someone that can't tell the truth?
I always thought L. Ron was ............ creative, but I didn't realize how much.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/16/2008 5:41:52 PM
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I think there are 2 reasons why Ron Paul did not do better. And I will back it up with some quotes.
The first is that people just don't understand what is going on:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our Banking and Monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a Revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford (A ron Paul Revolution  )
"Naturally the common people don't want war.but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Herman Goering ( One of Hitler's top men, during the Nuremberg Trials)
"The easiest way to gain control of the population is to carry out acts of terror. The public will clamor for such laws if the personal security is threatened." - Joseph Stalin
The 2nd thing is the MSM. And that is really what caused the 1st problem. They tell us what we should think.
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings, and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop OUR PLAN for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual ELITE and World Bankers is surely preferable to the national auto - determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller CFR Kingpin, Founder of the Trilateral Commission, NOW Godfather / June 1991
I am terrified of what is coming next.
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller
"Today America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by the World Government." - Henry Kissinger 1991 Bilderberg Conference.
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