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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/12/2007 9:32:06 PM
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Memaw.
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I think today we have a very different definition of fellowship than the early church that Paul wrote to had. The early church seemed to define fellowship as being in relationship with other believers. Today we define it fellowship more as attending a service. So because of that, today we have many people who are "in fellowship" but actually aren't and then there are many who are not "in fellowship" who actually are. In other words, there are many Christians who attend services but have no real relationships with other Christians but they are viewed as having truly fulfilled Hebrews 10:25 because, by golly, they were at the service. On the flip side there are many who don't attend services but they have genuine Christ centered relationships with other believers so they are actually living out Hebrews 10:25 but they are viewed as not being "in fellowship." I think as long as you are keeping your eyes on Jesus you don't have to worry about the devil having a field day with you.
I agree that nothing beats human contact with other believers. But I don't find that real contact with people usually happens during a church service anymore than real contact happens with my wife while we watch a movie. (Unless we're seated in the back row...but we won't go there. LOL!) As for being ministered to by a pastor, this is going to come as a shock, but I don't see that anywhere in the NT. I see references to us ministering to each other all over the NT. And nowhere in the NT do I read anything about us being accountable to a pastor. I'm not trying to make waves, just trying to stick to the Bible. It's just not there.
Very good post, (except for the part about you and wife in the back row of the movie  )
But yes, it is true, one can attend church every time the door is open and have no fellowship with others there (I have seen it happen) and on the flip side, one can stay home 52 Sundays a year and still be in fellowship with their brothers and sisters.
If one attends church out of pride (look at me, I haven't missed a Sunday), then they really need to check themselves.
On the other hand, if one is not attending because of "look at me I can stand all by myself", then they too need to do some checking.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/12/2007 10:00:08 PM
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I think today we have a very different definition of fellowship than the early church that Paul wrote to had. The early church seemed to define fellowship as being in relationship with other believers. Today we define it fellowship more as attending a service. So because of that, today we have many people who are "in fellowship" but actually aren't and then there are many who are not "in fellowship" who actually are. In other words, there are many Christians who attend services but have no real relationships with other Christians but they are viewed as having truly fulfilled Hebrews 10:25 because, by golly, they were at the service. On the flip side there are many who don't attend services but they have genuine Christ centered relationships with other believers so they are actually living out Hebrews 10:25 but they are viewed as not being "in fellowship." I think as long as you are keeping your eyes on Jesus you don't have to worry about the devil having a field day with you.
I agree that nothing beats human contact with other believers. But I don't find that real contact with people usually happens during a church service anymore than real contact happens with my wife while we watch a movie. (Unless we're seated in the back row...but we won't go there. LOL!) As for being ministered to by a pastor, this is going to come as a shock, but I don't see that anywhere in the NT. I see references to us ministering to each other all over the NT. And nowhere in the NT do I read anything about us being accountable to a pastor. I'm not trying to make waves, just trying to stick to the Bible. It's just not there.
Very good post, (except for the part about you and wife in the back row of the movie )
But yes, it is true, one can attend church every time the door is open and have no fellowship with others there (I have seen it happen) and on the flip side, one can stay home 52 Sundays a year and still be in fellowship with their brothers and sisters.
If one attends church out of pride (look at me, I haven't missed a Sunday), then they really need to check themselves.
On the other hand, if one is not attending because of "look at me I can stand all by myself", then they too need to do some checking.
Agreed!
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 12:29:44 AM
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Here is a different take. I was tired, beaten up by the world on yesterday. You see, I work with those who do not have a clue about God or Jesus. In spite of that, I went to church and our pastor was speaking about people being bummed out and the enemy tend to have a field day with folk. I needed fellowship last night in the worse way to be encouraged and to be prayed for. And so I did.
Sometimes, if we don't feel like fellowshipping with others, and if you have a desire to be there, he will give you strenght.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 12:32:52 AM
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Here is a different take. I was tired, beaten up by the world on yesterday. You see, I work with those who do not have a clue about God or Jesus. In spite of that, I went to church and our pastor was speaking about people being bummed out and the enemy tend to have a field day with folk. I needed fellowship last night in the worse way to be encouraged and to be prayed for. And so I did.
Sometimes, if we don't feel like fellowshipping with others, and if you have a desire to be there, he will give you strenght.
Absolutely Gayle, I agree completely.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 6:34:03 AM
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Let's live by examples. What would Jesus do?
Luke 4:16-22 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went to the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. "Isn't this Joseph's son?" they asked. NIV
To me this is saying, that by going to church and listening to what is being preached to us, we are hearing his word spoken directly from him, with meaning and understanding.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 7:27:06 AM
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I am encouraged and challenged by the sermon. I see the people I know, in church. I have the opportunity to meet new people and to serve when I go to the sermons.
For more intimate fellowships we have small groups where we meet every Sunday to hear a teaching, exchange prayer requests and praise reports, share our problems and have fellowship and social outings designed for us to be closer and more in tune with each other.
I am not a social person and going to small group is often very uncomfortable for me, but I believe I am being obediant to my Lord for doing it.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 9:58:41 AM
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If you are feeling any condemnation it is coming from the world or doctrines of devils...Romans 8:1 (KJV)
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 11:23:20 AM
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Let's live by examples. What would Jesus do?
Luke 4:16-22 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went to the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. "Isn't this Joseph's son?" they asked. NIV
To me this is saying, that by going to church and listening to what is being preached to us, we are hearing his word spoken directly from him, with meaning and understanding.
Hischildnow --
The problem is that this example does not work in this case. Most people go to church on Sunday, and church is not synagogue, because the churches kicked the synagogues out way, way back. Church is nothing like synagogue, the readings are not close, the discussions non-existent. Also, there was little preaching in the synagogue, mainly teaching.
No three hymns, no collections, rarely preaching, and no altar call.
I do not write this to be facetious; I am merely writing that if we are truly to do what Messiah DID, we would do a lot of things differently.
However, if one was sick, one was not expected to show up at synagogue. If one was tired, one had to be really, REALLY tired not to come, not just that their favorite game was on the tube that Sabbath, so they "created" sore feet.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 1:01:12 PM
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I think today we have a very different definition of fellowship than the early church that Paul wrote to had. The early church seemed to define fellowship as being in relationship with other believers. Today we define it fellowship more as attending a service. So because of that, today we have many people who are "in fellowship" but actually aren't and then there are many who are not "in fellowship" who actually are. In other words, there are many Christians who attend services but have no real relationships with other Christians but they are viewed as having truly fulfilled Hebrews 10:25 because, by golly, they were at the service. On the flip side there are many who don't attend services but they have genuine Christ centered relationships with other believers so they are actually living out Hebrews 10:25 but they are viewed as not being "in fellowship." I think as long as you are keeping your eyes on Jesus you don't have to worry about the devil having a field day with you.
This is such a great post, I had to repeat it again! I totally agree.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 4:07:44 PM
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I am excited to hear you worship our Father on the 7th day He sanctified and made holy at creation before sin, and before the Jews were ever a nation!
My feeling on your question is if you are too tired to drive safely, and would endanger others stay home and worship God there, delighting in His Omnipresence! It's your call, and God knows your heart if it's I just don't want to go today feeling or not! I guess it is back to the TRUTH of the matter right?
Okay, goin deep now my new friends!
Realize that after everything God had made, He said it was good right? Making "the" 7th day a holy day, and sanctifying it as His day of rest and worship was good too of course!
God says He does not change! His laws are eternal! Does God make boo boos? Of course not!
He spoke it from His lips, and wrote it in stone, and the one commandment that God started with remember, ironically is the one most Christians feel the need to forget?!
It's God's flag! It's the only commandment that declares who the lawgiver is! It is His seal! It has His title Creator, His name God, and His territory, heaven and earth!
Job 23:12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.
The Holy Bible is our source of truth, so when people quote humans regarding anything in the Bible discard it as folly. Why wouldn't they quote Scripture to back up their cause instead? HMMM?
Do we lie? NO! Do we steal? NO! Do we kill? NO! When it comes to trampling God's flag, and not resting and worshipping on the 7th day Saturday sabbath it's NO PROBLEM?
Let's realize that, it is also showing that when we keep and worship Him on His true sabbath day Saturday, that we follow the laws of another Kingdom, a heavenly Kingdom which we belong too! Should we decide another day to worship instead?
Is Jesus our King, or do we make our own rules, and make our own religion? If we did what Jesus did, will we be okay? Jesus was a sabbath keeper, as were His apostles!
Luke 4:16
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read
Acts 17:2
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
You see God had a perfect plan! Then Satan came and messed it up in the garden! That perfect plan included the 7th day sabbath Saturday forever!
Ponder this......how much credibility would we put into God's Word if we believe that He had changed 1 of His 10 commandments, the one He said to remember, the one that tells who He is, the one that speaks to us to worship Him? I guess that would mean we would believe Him 90% of the time huh? HMMMM, I guess most are!
Will God ultimately have His perfect plan be fulfilled? Of course!
We all know He had to let Satan run his course so we would not love God out of fear because He just destroyed Satan instantly! That's theodecy for the universe and it's inhabitants!!
So to show that the Saturday sabbath is the day in the Bible to keep holy, let's look into the future!
If Saturday, the 7th day, is the correct day of worship, it would have been intended from the beginning to continue on earth and throughout eternity right? Satan came and influenced man to change the times and the laws prophesied in Daniel 7:25, "thinking to change the times and the laws" in 321 A.D. through Emporer Constantine, who declared "the venerable Day of the SUN".
Since God knew before hand this was to happen, He had the prophet Daniel tell us in His Scriptures!
This is also why He started the 4th commandment with remember!
Stay with me everyone! This is monumentally, and eternally important to all of our eternal destinies.
No, I am not saying people who worshipped God on Sundays will not be in heaven, no not saying that!
I plan on seeing my Baptist grandparents in heaven!
The thinking that they had changed the solemnity of the Saturday sabbath to SUNday is man's tradition, and it's been handed down for centuries! The Christians of that time did not want to be associated with the Jews, and so this changing from the Saturday sabbath to SUNday was more out of the dislike or association with the Jews than it was for the love of Christ!
Of course today we hear, "I keep SUNday in honor of His resurrection! " Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to do that! Baptism is our symbol of Christ's burial, death, and resurrection!
Okay, I will finish with this my brothers and sisters! It's hard for me not to "GO Deep" like Randy Moss used to for our Minnesota Vikings, but let's face it, God is so deep, we will continue to get to know more about Him every day throughout eternity! How exciting, words cannot describe!
Proof that the 7th day (look at your calendars people, Sunday is 1st Saturday is 7th and it is correct!) Saturday sabbath is the true sabbath!
Isaiah 66:22-24
22 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD. 24 "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
I am ready for all of the questions, in fact I am opening the floodgates right now to be ready! God says He has sheep in other folds(churches), and that His people know Him, and His people hear His voice! This means that right now today that millions upon millions of Christ loving Christians are attending church on Sunday all over the world!
Here is what Christ says to His people in the Sunday keeping churches!
Revelation 18:3-5
3For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
"Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Seek and ye shall find!
Blessings to All!
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 4:14:49 PM
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 4:24:47 PM
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Covaan Meshuga, the point I was trying to get across was that Jesus went every week to Worship God.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 7:10:00 PM
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Covaan Meshuga, the point I was trying to get across was that Jesus went every week to Worship God.
Oh, I know, Honey. It's just that sometimes, people use the wrong Scriptures to prove their points.
Bless you!
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/13/2007 7:51:00 PM
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What are you tired from?
Can you worship corporately on a different day/night?
Are there home groups or small groups that meet in your church that offer a better schedule?
Can you start a small group bible study that would fit your schedule...and possiby others?
I am not sure its biblical but...where there is a will, there is a way. Turn excuses into reasons to do things. Can't isn't a christian word. ( I dislike this one but sometimes its right on target )
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/14/2007 2:51:40 AM
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Can you worship corporately on a different day/night?
The church I an currently going to has for services on Sunday. On at 7am, then at 9am, then at 11am and the last at 7pm. Plus they have Wednesday and Friday services. Is you church anything like this.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/14/2007 6:50:13 PM
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My church has 5 services on the weekend, 2 on Saturday night, and three on Sunday. There are also many small group bible studies before and after these services. There are men's groups and ladies groups and groups for singles.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/14/2007 8:15:01 PM
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The OP mentioned about staying away from church because she's tired due to work etc.
What if I stayed away from church if I'm spiritually tired? I've skipped another week of church again.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/14/2007 9:40:59 PM
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The more tired you are, the more you need to rest. And Christ is our rest. You need to go to church, for yourself and for others (you're God's witness)
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/15/2007 7:34:08 AM
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The OP mentioned about staying away from church because she's tired due to work etc.
What if I stayed away from church if I'm spiritually tired? I've skipped another week of church again.
I would think that you would need church more then. Sometimes being emotionally or spiritually tired can make you physically tired or ill. So, in your case, it might be best to go to church.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/15/2007 11:04:26 AM
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Its why we need another sanctuary. The small groups are getting big and the scheduling is getting difficult. The childrens ministry is getting close to 500 and in need of space....and we just built a new 900 seat sanctuary a couple years ago.
Time for phase two of the construction plan, a 2000 seat sanctuary next to the buildings we have now, administration, school and current sanctuary.
In all, 27 million. Pastor preaches about the tithe and the offering goes up 30,000 dollars a week, to just over 100,000, the mark they need...and that does not include the building fund.
God is good. It sounds like a ton of money, and is, but its south Florida with 93% of the people being unchurched...and many being wealthy. The money is here and when a facility goes up with God's plan in mind, a church grows.
500 to 3000 in 6 years or so....and I doubt the new sanctuary will hold the excess.
Going to church is important. Last weekend we had a beach baptism...69 people were baptised. Most of the people who go are new believers. You can't sit in our services and be lukewarm...and comfortable. Pastor told us a few weeks ago if we were not serving....it was time to find another church, point blank. 50% of all members serve in one ministry or another.
Yes, going to church is important. You are encouraged and taught and edified and...yes even rebuked, and the kingdom...grows and grows.
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/15/2007 11:17:46 AM
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I used to work 12-8am on sundays and going to church was a challenge. I liked to think that i could sacrifice sleep for God; however, that is not something required or even encouraged (not by me at least). Personal conviction only.
My fiance (sp?) does that shift now and it has been extremely draining to her. she has missed a couple sunday mornings because of exhaustion. We had a pastor say to the congregation something along the lines of:
"We as Christians love to beat ourselves up, we like to do this and do that for God. Working all the time when God may just want us to sleep."
The point is that God wants you to be a good steward of the body he has given you, it is his temple after all. As long as you are not forsaking fellowship with other believers, then sleep away on sunday mornings. besides there are sunday night services and wednesday and thursday and friday services as well. hope this helped, God bless
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RE: Is it wrong to stay home from church if your tired? - 7/15/2007 7:01:39 PM
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God knows your heart and you intentions, if you are tired from working hard all week it is ok to take a day to catch up on some rest!
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I for sure told my pastor at the second year I attend my church about that situation and I would not go but for sure be back when the regular church comes back again. 
