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Gloryandgrace -> RE: Lordship salvation and no other (7/27/2007 11:55:34 PM)
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Lordship salvation is only an attempt to stem the tide of scandal, sins, wickedness of all kinds, adultery, swearing, blasphemies, theft, covetousness, dishonoring parents and whatever else is contrary to Gods law. The perspective is that false converts are being made, that the gospel message is anemic, lacking the fear of God, lacking faith and repentance, lacking faithful living witnesses and faithful proclamation. What goes forth is an americanized culturalized fornication with compromise. Simply put its a message about Jesus that is really not what He said, about a gospel that is really not what He preached to live a life thats really not whats being lived and to obtain a salvation which is only granted to disciples without being a disciple.
All the right words and all the wrong ways to obtain it.
It was argued in earlier posts that faith somehow was the stop-gap means of obtaining salvation, that faith alone ( a very theologically important concept) was the practice of Abram
and that faith alone set him in a right condition before God. But what was not said was enough to fill the pages of Barth's,'church dogmatics'.
Somehow in the mix was the proposition that faith alone meant a vagueness and ignorance which safely held the saved from the examinations of other disciples.
Jesus said "Joh 8:19 They said to him therefore, "Where is your Father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
Joh 8:20 These words he spoke in the treasury, as he taught in the temple; but no one arrested him, because his hour had not yet come.
Joh 8:21 So he said to them again, "I am going away, and you will seek me, and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come."
Joh 8:22 So the Jews said, "Will he kill himself, since he says, 'Where I am going, you cannot come'?"
Joh 8:23 He said to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins."
Joh 8:25 So they said to him, "Who are you?" Jesus said to them, "Just what I have been telling you from the beginning.
Scripture nullifying concepts that supposedly shield the 'faith alone believer' tell us that to use such texts as those above amount to 'discipling' before conversion. But its all just a badmitten
of words that go nowhere. The fear of God is all but removed and nullifyed when some one says
"You need to believe in who Jesus says he is". But instead ignorace is bliss, namely 'faith alone' in the vague idea of a saving God cuts the conviction of this text to nothing but a local rebuke to old leaders of years gone by.
The time will tell whether the doctrines of Freegrace will lead the body of Christ whom endorse such views into increasing holiness and righteousness, or will it lead them into justifications of sin and abandonment of Lordship.
The exhortation "you will die in your sins" has been replaced by "just pray this prayer" and leave the theologians to fight over such things.
This kind of prayer and this kind of attitude towards a full presentation of the gospel message I fear will in judgment day be a horrifying source of shame and rebuke to its promoters.
John
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