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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 8/27/2007 12:50:08 PM
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cow451
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Can you honestly say with a straight face that the 9/11 terrorists weren't stopped because of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
Can you honestly say that George W Bush could be involved in anything that WASN'T full of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 8/27/2007 1:25:17 PM
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Can you honestly say with a straight face that the 9/11 terrorists weren't stopped because of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
Can you honestly say that George W Bush could be involved in anything that WASN'T full of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
You forgot to be "straight faced"... 
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 8/27/2007 7:06:28 PM
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Can you honestly say that George W Bush could be involved in anything that WASN'T full of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
Can you honestly reply to a post without ignoring the evidence, setting up straw men, ridiculing and denying, dodging and weaving, and changing the subject?
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 8/28/2007 8:58:37 AM
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stamper_ben
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Can you honestly say that George W Bush could be involved in anything that WASN'T full of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
Can you honestly reply to a post without ignoring the evidence, setting up straw men, ridiculing and denying, dodging and weaving, and changing the subject?
Speaking of which, how about the last question I asked in the three world wars thread? It is currently the very last post in there. Shouldn't be too hard to find.
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 8/28/2007 9:21:22 AM
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cow451
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Can you honestly say that George W Bush could be involved in anything that WASN'T full of dumb mistakes and incompetence?
Can you honestly reply to a post without ignoring the evidence, setting up straw men, ridiculing and denying, dodging and weaving, and changing the subject?
Just following your lead. Again, pick one "fact" and let's look at the evidence without your adding on every conspiracy theory of the last 200 years.
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 9/13/2007 7:18:10 PM
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To me this is a secret US plane, I understand this white jet is a regular command center in the event of a nuclear threat, makes perfect sense it would fly over the locations where most of our leaders were.
CNN has a special report:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/09/12/king.mystery.plane.CNN
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 9/13/2007 8:09:34 PM
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I just thought I'd put in my two cents worth about how these 9/11 conspiracy theorists are willfully deluded and ignore any facts that might refute their pet theories.
I have read hundreds of books over the years, and seen hundreds of movies, both fact and fiction, that have led me to make the following conclusion: No matter what form a government takes; Monarchy, Democracy, Theocracy, Aristocracy, Despotism, or any of the other 26 forms listed in Wikipedia, the basic nature of bureaucracy under any of them (especially MILITARY bureaucracy) NEVER CHANGES. It's always secretive, uncommunicative, expansionist, uncooperative, extremely unforgiving of whistleblowers, extremely unwilling to listen to warnings from within, extremely protective of it's "turf", extremely competitive with other agencies, (especially for funds), extremely prone to empire building, permeated with the "cover yourself" mentality, (I can't count how many times I heard that phrase while I was in the Army, in a slightly different form.), always ready to hide it's mistakes, highly resistant to change, and, once established, almost IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of. I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. A prime example of much of this is the intersevice rivalry between the Army and the Navy prior to WWII. This is the REAL reason why 9/11 caught our government flat-footed. Why the military response was so slow and disjointed. Why sudden crises always catch any government by suprise. Why the warnings of John P. O'Neill not only weren't heeded, but were even ridiculed. Even why it took so long to get all the airliners grounded. Also why the only thing the Department of Homeland Security will accomplish is to add another layer to the bureaucracy. Again, I could go on and on, but again, I think you get the picture. No conspiracy, just bureaucratic business as usual. This is another debate the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are distracting us from. How to change the nature of bureaucracy, or if it's even possible.
Occam's Razor (lex parsimoniae) The explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", translates to: "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity" Often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest hypothetical entities. There is a progressively deteriorating epidemic of world-wide insanity, of truly diseased thinking - not just a misunderstanding or difference of opinion but real, diagnosable mental illness. A plan by our evil (but incompetent!) government to get the next war it so desperately needs.? I am amazed by the people who will discount literally thousands of pieces of verifiable evidence and cling to a fragile circumstantial theory as "proof" of their conspiracy delusions. I hear the same people say our government is not only incompetent but are also the masterminds of a monumental conspiracy to kill thousands and frame someone else in order to start a war. Which is it? Dumb or criminal masterminds? I would argue that they could not do both so well as many would have me believe. Additionally, I find it very difficult to hate myself or this society enough to bring myself to the conclusion that literally thousands of my fellow citizens and government would get together to commit such acts of treason. It is equally, if not more, absurd to believe that the sheer numbers said to be involved in this conspiracy could possibly continue the secrecy needed to facilitate the concealment of such a plot with any degree of efficacy. If I were to believe that my government could murder 3,000 of my fellow citizens would it not be a short distance of thought to believe they'd just murder anyone who attempts to foil their plots? - Those who spew the theories from the bowels of insanity are easily proven wrong. When logical thinking and cognitive reasoning enter the debate it is met with accusations and childish name calling. One can pile on the evidence proving them wrong over and over again but it seems hysteria sells better than skepticism. The only sane lot of the bunch seems to be the likes of Alex Jones and Michael Moore, it is easy to see why they and others like them would facilitate the perpetual disinformation and absurd "evidence". It sells. They are driven by the profit of selling videos and books to the truly unfortunate souls who think the massive conspiracy is real and they are the only ones who can see it.
Here are some links for anyone with an open mind to follow that debunk these absurd theories:
http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html
http://www.jod911.com/
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://www.911myths.com/
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons (lol funny)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
These are just some of the debunking links I found at the bottom of Wikipedia's 9/11 Conspiracy Theories article.
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 9/13/2007 8:29:42 PM
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There's a small group in here wouldn't matter what evidence there is proving there was no conspiracy they will twist the facts like 66% of us in NYC believe a conspiracy occured (not true--out of 100s I've interacted w/ close friends, ex coworkers, etc. not 1 ever raised a conspiracy here in NYC.)
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 9/14/2007 11:29:19 AM
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Occam's Razor (lex parsimoniae) The explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", translates to: "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity" Often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one."
Welcome aboard.
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RE: The conspiracy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - 9/14/2007 12:18:04 PM
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rickhavoc
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Occam's Razor (lex parsimoniae) The explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", translates to: "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity" Often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one."
Welcome aboard.
Thanks! I've added a signature, tell me what you think of it.
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