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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 3:22:45 PM
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First I want to say I am sorry to "stickwitu" for assuming that he was being sarcastic. And second I want to respond to "SD456" study on Paul's thorn in the flesh. Paul said it was a messenger of satan. I think this messenger was tormenting Paul with his past, before God turned him around. He persecuted the Christians and had them thrown in prison,he was there holding the jackets of those who stoned Steven giving his own approval of their acts. I believe this "messenger" constantly reminded him of his deeds before he was saved bringing guilt on him. That is why when he asked God to take it away God said to him "My grace is sufficient". Gods grace covered his sins. He(God) didn't remember it anymore. "Don't worry what this messenger is saying,Paul. You have been covered by the blood of my Son. My grace is sufficient". What do you think,"SD456"?
2Cor 12:7-9
And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. Three times I besought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.
I still don't think the verse clarifies what type of attack it was. A 'messenger' of satan could be a demon sent by satan to send the message to Paul, "We've got your number and we're not going to let you rest," kind of thing.
I don't necessarily believe that God saying His grace is sufficient was referring to past sins - I believe it's referring to where Paul will get his strength from. God's grace will be sufficient to give Paul strength as His power is more perfected in him while he is weak.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 3:26:20 PM
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My apologies to you, TJS.
Regarding the paranormal, it is my belief that there is a demon behind every sinful act and thought. The great news is that we do have to fall prey to them because God is our protector. No Christian will fall prey to a demon if he/she remains focused on God.
I disagree. Paul was extremely focused on God and yet 'fell prey' to a demon with God's permission, a demon that constantly harrassed him.
Sometimes God allows such things. Not just to keep us humble but to also train us in how to do spiritual warfare.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/17/2008 3:53:04 PM
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What I meant by "fall prey to" is to give in to temptation. I have no doubts that God allows them to tempt all mankind.
Oh, I understand what you meant now.
Yes, sometimes our sin can open the door to demon's harrassing us. And sometimes how powerfully we're moving in the things of God will cause demons to harrass us. And sometimes God will allow them to keep us humble and train us up.
Sometime the fact that we're about to have a break through in some area of our life will cause demons to be dispatched against us so that we give up just before the break through.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 4:14:10 AM
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I said I would return with an experience, the one I am going to share this time is 2nd hand. But, comes from my life long best friend and his cousin, who is also close with me.
The two of them had returned from being out together, and they lived under the same roof at this time. When they walked in the door, one called out "Is anyone home!?" Right away a reply came from upstairs, it was my friends Dad who said "Yeah, I'm here". They thought nothing further of it and both went about their business downstairs in the kitchen and living room. A few minutes later, the front door opens and it's my friends Dad. -They were both instantly fear struck.
They charged upstairs together and of course, no one was up there. When they explained what happened to my friends Dad he became extremely irate. He thought they were lying, but was openly unsettled about the plain manner they related the incident, and their obviously scared reaction to his entry.
When I look back onto this event, I honestly believe it was designed to unsettle the head of the household and breed suspicion. He was very hostile towards God at this stage in his life. In the years since this event, I have read about, and personally experienced nearly identical phenomena.
I am glad to read more actual experiences on this thread. Lets keep moving that direction.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 4:21:40 AM
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AS I stated earlier ManimalX, since you have so many disbeliefs concerning the Bible...
Would you please reveal to me the disbeliefs I have concerning the Bible? I make it a point to align my thinking and teaching to the Bible, so I would be very thankful if you could please show me how I have failed to do so. I asked you to show me what was wrong with my view of the spiritual realm, but you have not demonstrated any protest on Scriptural grounds. In fact, you have thus far referred and appealed to: Harry Potter, Folklore, Native American legend (post 126), an unnamed internet pastor's unsubstantiated anecdote (post 163), Scooby-Doo, and Stephen King (post 174). Further, the mountains of Bible verses you quote rarely have any relevance to whatever post it is you are replying to (such as your attempt to correlate verse concerning mold with demonic activity).
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...you should be asking God directly instead of attacking those of us who know these things because God chose to teach us.
I am not attacking you, but the false teachings you cling to and teach. I have already said that I sincerely appreciate your zeal, and you even pointed out my mistake in confusing Eli and Samuel earlier in the thread. There are sveral things you have written in this thread that I am in complete agreement with, but I still assert that some of these beliefs regarding the spirit realm that you are fabricating and clinging to are severely unbiblical.
Post #5 by Walker311 presented wisdom to this thread first:
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I feel that as Christians we should not entertain and exploit these ideas of paranormal sightings and spooky experiences. I place these things in the same box as alien sightings, it's all balderdash and this is exactly what the devil wants Christians to explore because it ultimately takes the focus off of Christ.
Furthermore, for true Christians, demons cannot read our thoughts nor can they get into our dreams. They can oppress us as they observe our weakeness and present traps for us to fall.
Read the book and get the facts. Christ came to send this junk to hell and that is where we need to leave it.
If you want to read what a real, biblical demonic encounter looks like (as well as an angelic encounter!), read post #28 by earthless. This is the type of testimony that can be tested in the light of the Word and be revealed as true.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 10:43:57 AM
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God works in mysterious ways. He gave me a very unusual way of getting rid of my demon. Years ago, I would often have dreams where I was filled with fear and knew that I was in the bed asleep but somehow awake at the same time. My body was paralyzed and I could sometimes hear a low growl. I knew in my heart this was a demon. Reading the Bible and praying did not seem to change the situation.
Unrelated to all this, around that same time I had decided to clean up my diet. In the process of experimentation, I inadvertently discovered that having some protein in my stomach just before going to bed coincided with disappearance of the nightmares. Throughout the following years, whnever the demon returned to my dreams, I found I had not had enough protein before going to bed. I firmly believe God led me to this solution, unexpected though it was, to show that He does not always work in the ways we think He does.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 12:20:22 PM
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Anonmymous1: Thank you for sharing. I am sorry you feel uncomfortable using your normal screen name.
The question I have is this, and I ask it in all gentleness: why would you ascribe something that appears very obviously related to a dietary issue to a demon? Digestion problems and bad dreams/nightmares go hand-in-hand clinically. You mention your diet in an offhand way, stating that it is "unrelated", but then in the next sentence say that a change in diet coincided with the disappearance of the bad dreams. I am a bit confused by that.
You say that you "knew in your heart" that this was a demon. This is where it is best to translate your experience through the lens of scripture rather than vice-versa. I have known (as I am sure any older Christian has) many people who have done some very misguided things because they, "knew in their heart" that they should. If you ever listen to Christian talk radio call-in programs, you have undoubtedly heard countless folks who call in with the line, "I just feel in my heart that God is telling me to get a divorce". This, of course, is not what God is telling them to do. It is what their fallen flesh is telling them to do. I encourage everyone reading to be on guard against the same type of thing.
Overall I would state that just because something scares you doesn't mean a demon is behind it (though it could be the case!)
I am glad you found a solution to your nightmare problem and give God the glory for it.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 12:51:18 PM
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Anonymous, Darryl: Research the condition known as "sleep paralysis" which is most likely what you are/were suffering from, not an attack from demons. I had the same exact experiences you both are describing but realized what it really was. The internet has a bunch of information on it:
http://www.angelfire.com/co/SleepParalysisLucid/moreInfoPar.html
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 1:37:29 PM
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ManimalX, I resent the fact that you say that everything that I experienced was a figment of my imagination.
I don't believe I ever said that about you or your experiences, DarrylK. Though this certainly could be and often times is the case, I never addressed your post, so please don't resent a "fact" that isn't.
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First, I would like to say that on a few of those attacks I was wide awake, able to see my whole room by moving my eyes but could not move.
I have had nightmares like this also. My question, asked in all sincerity and without a hint of animosity, is why do you ascribe this as demonic activity. I would like you to try to become familiar with very well documented sleep studies that have been conducted on this very phenomenon. It is commonly called sleep paralysis, and technically called hypnopompic paralysis when referring to waking up, and hypnagogic paralysis when falling asleep. It is a normal function of the body when attempting to enter REM sleep, when the brain "disengages" from the body. The residual paralysis is most likely the body and brain failing to "sync up" smoothly, which results in a conscious or semi-conscious state in which the person is unable to control movement.
In the past, this phenomenon was commonly ascribed to ghosts, spirits, and demons simply because it was an unknown. There is no need for these beliefs anymore. In fact, when this happens to me, as it does once in a great while, though my first reaction is fear and instinctual cry to Jesus, once my mind realizes that I just have to wait a few moments to sync with my body, the Lord and I share a short chuckle.
Here are some good pieces of information to read:
http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html
http://www.dreamsnightmares.com/sleepparalysis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis
Don't let fear have a place in your life due to lack of knowledge! God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and sound mind!
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Secondly, I am not a new Christian but have been saved for quite a few years and am 43 years old so you are not dealing with someone who was born yesterday.
Thank you for sharing this. I will keep in in mind during any future interactions we may have.
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Thirdly, you say everything in creation is not beyond redemption but I beg to differ because in the book of Jude it states God did not stoop down to redeem the angels who rebelled against Him but are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
The whole point of the gospel message is the renewing power of the kingdom of God upon ALL of nature. I am not talking about demons, but rather aspects of natural creation. I was replying to a previous poster's assertion that we need to separate from the world by having nothing to do with it. This is not biblical, and is classic dualism. We are to be salt and light in every part of the world. We (as Christians) are to bring the kingdom of God into all of creation by being salt and light, working to bring renewal and preservation until the Lord returns.
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And it is not extrabiblical to have a demon dispatched to torture a believer as that is exactly what happened to Paul who had " a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of satan to torment me".
I think I copied and pasted that qualifier about being extrabiblical into the wrong place when I was editing my post. You are completely correct and I apologize for mistyping.
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I recommended a book in my earlier thread that you need to read, ManimalX. Read that book( and there are other books) then come back and give your opinion.
The book by Ed and Loraine Warren. Ah yes, self confessed clairvoyant and trance medium, known frauds of the Amityville horror hoax, make-believe Catholics and general new-age sensationalists. Why on earth would you take anything they say or write regarding the spiritual realm seriously? That is like asking chairman Mao to help you understand the United States Constitution or asking Hitler to help you study the Torah.
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There are things that you are very ignorant about when it comes to the demonic and you need to equip yourself with some knowledge.
I agree, my ignorance abounds and I constantly seek to abolish it. However, rest assured that I am abundantly equipped for study of this subject.
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I say all this in love.
I know you do, and I thank you for it :)
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/19/2008 1:46:58 PM
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Looks like Heather beat me to referencing sleep paralysis while I was typing my response. Good job, violetlight :)
There really is no need to ascribe demonic activity to known natural phenomena. I think it is a common response to fear and call the unknown evil and demonic, but when well understood and documented information is readily available, there is no need to cling to fear.
If you wake up and can't move, don't panic. Just pray for calm and wait for your body and mind to sync. If it happens very often over an extended period of time, you may have something physically wrong with your brain and or nervous system that can easily be corrected with either proper sleep habits or medication. For example, simply changing normal sleep position has been known to stop this phenomenon.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/20/2008 6:20:02 PM
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I have had nightmares like this also. My question, asked in all sincerity and without a hint of animosity, is why do you ascribe this as demonic activity. I would like you to try to become familiar with very well documented sleep studies that have been conducted on this very phenomenon. It is commonly called sleep paralysis, and technically called hypnopompic paralysis when referring to waking up, and hypnagogic paralysis when falling asleep. It is a normal function of the body when attempting to enter REM sleep, when the brain "disengages" from the body. The residual paralysis is most likely the body and brain failing to "sync up" smoothly, which results in a conscious or semi-conscious state in which the person is unable to control movement.
That is interesting. I never knew that ,but science is always trying to discount the spiritual realm and its impact on people, and the world in general. I will have to take these studies into consideration. But these events happened a long time ago save the last one which happened last year. There could be a scientific explanation for my experiences and this was problably the case but I am sceptical.
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The book by Ed and Loraine Warren. Ah yes, self confessed clairvoyant and trance medium, known frauds of the Amityville horror hoax, make-believe Catholics and general new-age sensationalists. Why on earth would you take anything they say or write regarding the spiritual realm seriously? That is like asking chairman Mao to help you understand the United States Constitution or asking Hitler to help you study the Torah.
I never said that I agreed with their doctrine or so called"gifts" but only the experiences that they encountered which I believe is true. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. It is the same thing with the teaching on the lost tribes and the connection with the Celts. Because some nuts(the British Isrealites) took the truth of the promises given to Ephraim and Manasseh(Josephs sons) and perverted it and became racist and elitist the whole church world has turned off on the teaching of the lost tribes to their hurt. It is eye-opening teaching that has only strengthened my faith in God and His Word.
What I am saying is that I try to check all the facts and filter everything through the Word instead of just throwing everything away because of some assumptions the author( or authors) may have made. Peter assumed the Gospel was only for the Jews and God had to show him in a vision it was for the Gentiles which was told in the old testament all along.
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I agree, my ignorance abounds and I constantly seek to abolish it. However, rest assured that I am abundantly equipped for study of this subject.
I apologize for the "ignorance" comment. I have know idea what your background is and it shouldn't have been said. I became defensive when questioned about my experience. I am sorry.
Take care and peace in the Lord
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/20/2008 6:22:48 PM
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Whoops, I am still new to this quote feature. First time I used it
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/21/2008 5:34:26 AM
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DarrylK: That is interesting. I never knew that ,but science is always trying to discount the spiritual realm and its impact on people, and the world in general. I will have to take these studies into consideration. But these events happened a long time ago save the last one which happened last year. There could be a scientific explanation for my experiences and this was probably the case but I am skeptical.
Yes, sleep paralysis is a grey area in some cases. While I certainly believe that it is a real physical condition that can be easily mistaken for a nightmare-like encounter, I have personally spoken to people who experienced it along side of other manifestations.
One instance in particular, someone else walked in the room while a man was experiencing "sleep paralysis" to find a dark figure standing next to the bed with a hand placed on the center of the victims chest. Sleep paralysis was just one phenomena, among several others, he was dealing with at that time, and since.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/21/2008 9:48:57 AM
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If we do not accept the supernatural reality around us, anything and everything will look like it has an organic reason for happening.
However, if we accept the biblical idea that there are demonic forces aligned against us and that God works supernaturally in our lives, even those things which are "easily explainable" from a physical standpoint take on a supernatural dimension.
Which is right? I go with the bible.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/21/2008 2:38:40 PM
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AS I stated earlier ManimalX, since you have so many disbeliefs concerning the Bible...
Would you please reveal to me the disbeliefs I have concerning the Bible? I make it a point to align my thinking and teaching to the Bible, so I would be very thankful if you could please show me how I have failed to do so. I asked you to show me what was wrong with my view of the spiritual realm, but you have not demonstrated any protest on Scriptural grounds. In fact, you have thus far referred and appealed to: Harry Potter, Folklore, Native American legend (post 126), an unnamed internet pastor's unsubstantiated anecdote (post 163), Scooby-Doo, and Stephen King (post 174). Further, the mountains of Bible verses you quote rarely have any relevance to whatever post it is you are replying to (such as your attempt to correlate verse concerning mold with demonic activity).
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...you should be asking God directly instead of attacking those of us who know these things because God chose to teach us.
I am not attacking you, but the false teachings you cling to and teach. I have already said that I sincerely appreciate your zeal, and you even pointed out my mistake in confusing Eli and Samuel earlier in the thread. There are sveral things you have written in this thread that I am in complete agreement with, but I still assert that some of these beliefs regarding the spirit realm that you are fabricating and clinging to are severely unbiblical.
Post #5 by Walker311 presented wisdom to this thread first:
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I feel that as Christians we should not entertain and exploit these ideas of paranormal sightings and spooky experiences. I place these things in the same box as alien sightings, it's all balderdash and this is exactly what the devil wants Christians to explore because it ultimately takes the focus off of Christ.
Furthermore, for true Christians, demons cannot read our thoughts nor can they get into our dreams. They can oppress us as they observe our weakeness and present traps for us to fall.
Read the book and get the facts. Christ came to send this junk to hell and that is where we need to leave it.
If you want to read what a real, biblical demonic encounter looks like (as well as an angelic encounter!), read post #28 by earthless. This is the type of testimony that can be tested in the light of the Word and be revealed as true.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/21/2008 11:28:36 PM
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If we do not accept the supernatural reality around us, anything and everything will look like it has an organic reason for happening.
If we do not accept the organic reality around us, everything will look like it has a supernatural reason for happening.
I am absolutely not trying to be facetious, only playing off your statement. Do you see what I am getting at here? God created a very ordered and complex creation. Even though creation is in a fallen state, the underlying "good" structure of creation is still there. There is no reason to fearfully ascribe something to the supernatural or spiritual when it has a completely feasible physical cause.
The trick is in the balance. We need to learn to discern.
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However, if we accept the biblical idea that there are demonic forces aligned against us and that God works supernaturally in our lives, even those things which are "easily explainable" from a physical standpoint take on a supernatural dimension.
Which is right? I go with the bible.
I really appreciate what you are saying, but I don't think it is a dualistic either/or circumstance. Rather, I think it is a failure to adequately discern strictly spiritual activity from strictly physical activity.
Remember, science is not our enemy, though the secular scientific establishment may be. Science is merely the discovery of how or why something works the way it works in God's creation! When it is scientifically discovered that there is a physical condition called sleep paralysis, we should diligently add that to our knowledge base.
Be well!
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/22/2008 4:55:20 AM
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Again I said I would take the "sleep paralysis" into account but just thinking about it for about a day and remembering the details I have to conclude that what I experienced wasn't that at all. Twice I was wide awake laying on my bed( not waking up from a deep sleep) in the afternoon after work just relaxing( not falling asleep either) and immediately couldn't move or speak or scream( shout really). I know I was being held down because when I tried to move I could hear(audibly) the power( of the entity increase. I will never forget it. I could see my whole room. I knew I was being held down by a force and that is why I screamed( tried to anyway) Jesus. I knew that was my only chance. Now the times that I woke up while being held down was exactly the same. I could hear the power( of the entity) increase the more I tried to move. That alone has me discounting the "sleep paralysis" theory. I know what I experienced. You, or anybody, can try to naturally explain it anyway you want but I know what I went through. It is just I had never heard of "sleep paralysis" before so I had to read about the subject first and filter it through my experience. My experience was demonic in origin. I know that for a fact and only the name of Jesus rescued me. I am convinced of that also. Peace in the Lord
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/22/2008 6:32:55 AM
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Manimalx - perhaps we are closer on this than I thought. I absolutely agree with what you wrote. It is not either-or but it is both.
My point is that many or most in our western world (even good bible believing christians) completely reject anything they cannot explain thru entirely physical processes. I wish to challenge that position, and state categorically that God and the devil are both at work in the world around us to move us according to their differing plans for us.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/22/2008 9:43:34 AM
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Physical or spiritual phenomenon? I think it is both. Take thunder for example. In the Bible, thunder is heard many times as the voice of God. No where in the Bible does it describe thunder as "currents of air moving rapidly against one another" which God has allowed us to discover (yes, allowed us - He is all-powerful, right?). Even though God is allowing us to discover physical explanations of phenomena, doesn't mean there is no spiritual involvement at the same time.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 5/4/2008 1:37:37 PM
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Davidway
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Yes, it definitely is true that demons are very real. Just last night I interrupted the workings of a demon as my mom was sleeping last night. They tend to work in the realm of dreams. I believe they work in the realm of dreams because dreams are inherently spiritual. Anyway, they are definitely real. I've had a number of experiences first-hand. I've seen things floating in mid-air and dissappear, I've been awake or partially awake and been unable to move or speak, had something gnaw on my sides, and etc. It's great to know that God is stronger than all the works of darkness.
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