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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/27/2007 9:29:54 PM
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glenn78
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Greetings,
In reading everyone's response, I was reminded of Paul's thoughts on ministering to people.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 - [Verse 22 in Original Greek]
19 For though I am free from all {men,} I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
In an effort to reach out to people we should be aware of who they are, and what things will get a closer to them. I have been a youth pastor for a couple of years now, and I have just started pastoral training in my church. Very quickly I learned that I had to tailor my interactions with the congregation based on who was in the congregation. I made the mistake of saying that I screwed something up. Apparantly this phrase has connotations for older generations that are not recognized by my generation.
I too have my ear pierced. It has been since I was twelve years old. I am lucky in that you can not tell it is pierced unless I have something in it. With that being said, if I was presenting the gospel in a situation in which my pierced ear would not hinder people hearing what I had to say, then I would wear it. If I was teaching or preaching in a situation where someone could not get past the piece of metal in my ear, then I would not wear it.
I would hate if someone missed out on God's blessings because I had an earring in.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/27/2007 9:31:28 PM
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I still have the scare from when my ear was pierced at 18.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 8/28/2007 1:22:36 PM
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WesP
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Greetings,
In reading everyone's response, I was reminded of Paul's thoughts on ministering to people.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 - [Verse 22 in Original Greek]
19 For though I am free from all {men,} I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
In an effort to reach out to people we should be aware of who they are, and what things will get a closer to them. I have been a youth pastor for a couple of years now, and I have just started pastoral training in my church. Very quickly I learned that I had to tailor my interactions with the congregation based on who was in the congregation. I made the mistake of saying that I screwed something up. Apparantly this phrase has connotations for older generations that are not recognized by my generation.
I too have my ear pierced. It has been since I was twelve years old. I am lucky in that you can not tell it is pierced unless I have something in it. With that being said, if I was presenting the gospel in a situation in which my pierced ear would not hinder people hearing what I had to say, then I would wear it. If I was teaching or preaching in a situation where someone could not get past the piece of metal in my ear, then I would not wear it.
I would hate if someone missed out on God's blessings because I had an earring in.
I agree with this approach. Both my ears are pierced, but I have worn earrings so few times in recent years that my children will start laughing when I have done it. They start running around saying, "Ewwww!!! Guys don't wear earrings!" Funny thing is that we see men with pierced ears all the time. They just don't focus on it unless it is me! 
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/1/2007 12:34:29 AM
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sreno7
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My pastor preaches in jeans and I wouldn't be at all surprised if his left ear is pierced.
I have gone to church in jeans and my daughter in a 'wife beater".
I have fellowshiped on Sunday mornings with teens with multi coloured hair and facial and body piercings that I can't and don't want to see. If an adult has an ear pierced don't you think the youth who come off the street would feel moire comfortable?
I am who I am and if I wear jeans at home I will wear jeans to church. If I have a piercing monday to saturday I will have it on Sunday too (and they cost money and I wouldn't want it to close over).
If someone in my congegration told me they disapprove of my appearance I would know I am in the wrong church.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/1/2007 5:04:31 AM
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I went through a "bad" stage in my late teens and decided to pierce my left ear (back in the early 80's). I also attended a Baptist church...
Well, even though I was fighting the establishment a bit back then, I still felt that wearing it to church was going to far, so I took it out on Sundays. I believe that we need to be respectful, to a certain degree, when we're in church. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but that's just the way I am. I also NEVER, EVER would wear a baseball hat inside of a building, let alone church. And shorts or flip-flop style shoes in church are right out too. I'm just telling God that I have some respect for His house. Again, that's me, but I see the teens in my church wear just about anything you can imagine these days... Good or bad...
Anyway, I'm 41 now and haven't worn the earring for a long, long time. It's just not me anymore. Once I grew up and became a professional in the business world, I wanted to look like something more than a dude who didn't grow up. I know guys in their 40's who are getting their first tattoos... Gimme a break...
Again, that's just me, but you need to look into your heart and ask yourself the hard questions, like why are you doing what you're doing? Everybody has their own reasons, but make sure you're not trying to make a statement that wouldn't glorify God. Do I believe it's a sin? No, but our attitude in anything we do reflects what's in our hearts 
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/1/2007 4:38:47 PM
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I know at least a couple of good men who wear 1/2" - 3/4" pegs in their ears. It doesn't seem to hamper their Chrisian zeal.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/1/2007 5:24:13 PM
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And shorts or flip-flop style shoes in church are right out too.
"Right Out" -- are we a Monty Python fan, Mr. Mark?
LOL!
But yeah, the PASTOR would need to be especially careful in your scenario, and those in the pews would need to listen to their consciences.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/3/2007 10:07:23 AM
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I know at least a couple of good men who wear 1/2" - 3/4" pegs in their ears. It doesn't seem to hamper their Chrisian zeal.
We're now getting into lengths?
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/3/2007 1:35:50 PM
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My only issue with piercings and tattoos is the fact that they are mostly a worldly fad, and I hesitate doing anything that the world thinks is cool, because it is usually wrong.
I had both of my ears pierced many years ago. My motivation was totally vanity and image. I got a job that wouldn't allow me to wear them, and I haven't since. I now kind of regret that I gave in to worldly fads.
The same thing with tattoos. When God restored my marriage 5 years ago, I was going to get a tattoo that said "God who restores" in Hebrew, as a testament to a big event in my life. However, I just couldn't quite my conscience that was telling me that I was doing exactly like the rest of the unsaved world, and that some of my motivation still would have been vanity and image. So I remain tattoo free, which is a rarity in my generation (I'm 30).
Just for the record, this is a completely personal choice. My wife has tattoos all over and I don't have a problem with it. All I can do is know my own motivations before God.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/3/2007 8:55:26 PM
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sreno7
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I don't understand how I am disrespecting God's house by wearing flip flops to church or jeans?
Aren't we told to not favour the well dressed rich man and bring the poor man in rags to sit in the front of the church? Where are we given a dress code for church in the Bible? I thought man looked at the outside and God looks at the heart.
I know a pregnant woman with very badly swollen feet and ankles and all she could get on her feet were flip flops. This woman happened to be on the worship team and the pastor's wife scolded her for wearing flip flops on the platform. How does that harm anyone or their worshiping if the worship team wears flip flops?
So we all go to church in our nice fancy clothes and the teenager with blue jeans and flip flops and a pierced ear comes in, he will think he can't stay because he doesn't meet the dress code.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/4/2007 8:13:31 AM
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psende
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I know at least a couple of good men who wear 1/2" - 3/4" pegs in their ears. It doesn't seem to hamper their Chrisian zeal.
We're now getting into lengths?
No, actually, we're getting into diameters.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/4/2007 8:35:23 AM
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My husband has a pierced ear. He was told by his stepmom in his teenage years that he was going to hell for it. He responded by asking why is it OK for women.
I think it's simply a cultural thing. And with earrings that are smaller, a lot of people probably won't even notice it.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/5/2007 10:06:32 PM
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humbleinspirit
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I know at least a couple of good men who wear 1/2" - 3/4" pegs in their ears. It doesn't seem to hamper their Chrisian zeal.
We're now getting into lengths?
No, actually, we're getting into diameters.
Oh yeah, hoops, but men do not generally wear the real hoops at all though. I have seen men with half circles instead.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/6/2007 4:51:14 PM
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psende
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I know at least a couple of good men who wear 1/2" - 3/4" pegs in their ears. It doesn't seem to hamper their Chrisian zeal.
We're now getting into lengths?
No, actually, we're getting into diameters.
Oh yeah, hoops, but men do not generally wear the real hoops at all though. I have seen men with half circles instead.
Are you playing with me or am I doing a poor job of communicating?
By "diameters," I speaking of the size of the hole in the ear; thus the word, "peg." The men I speak of have holes in their ear lobes you could stick your finger through. Approximately 1/2" to 3/4" diameter.
Perhaps a few more words would have made for a better picture.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/6/2007 7:15:05 PM
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humbleinspirit
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I haven't heard anything about larger holes at all. It may be the latest fad, however it is really stupid though, especially when you consider the long term ramifications of such a thing.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/6/2007 8:27:08 PM
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Kath
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Mike, you've never seen someone like that? I'd think you'd see all kinds out there.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/6/2007 8:29:38 PM
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humbleinspirit
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Nope, I can honestly say that I haven't. I heard about corset peircing though. Don't ask! 
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/7/2007 8:45:52 PM
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Kath
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What about our Christian brothers from Africa and other tribal nations for whom large ear piercings are as normal as American blue jeans and white t-shirts?
That is cultural, it's different. for me anyway.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/13/2007 6:12:29 PM
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Or as I call it, "a tank top." 
All wife beaters are tank tops, but not all tank tops are wife beaters.
A "wife-beater" is NOT a tank top. It is an "athletic" style undershirt which is usually white and it has a rib type weave.
It was not uncommon for the Hebrew/Jewish/Israelite men of the Old Testament period to have pierced ears.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/13/2007 9:56:09 PM
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I speaking of the size of the hole in the ear; thus the word, "peg."
I've always heard them referred to as "plugs."
I don't care if someone wants to stretch their lobes - the largest I've seen being the Masai, of course, but I have several friends, men and women, who prefer plugs to regular ol' earrings. Have had them, for years.
As with tattoos and piercing in general, it has gained more acceptance in recent years, overall, but it's certainly not a fad for those who have been interested in it for quite some time, and who have chosen to stretch their ears, or pierce their septums, or whatever, for reasons other than a Spice Girl did it.
Who cares? I find it certainly no more unusual than surgically implanting bags of silicon, or hair plugs, or any of the Western societially-accepted body modifications.
A wife beater, unless worn underneath something else, would be totally inappropiate for church  .
As would corset piercing.
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/sigh
I prolly should have just skipped that one, but if anyone would like to know what corset piercing is, without googling it, PM me - it's not sexual, or dirty, or anything like that.
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/14/2007 6:45:24 PM
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sreno7
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Why is a "beater" as the kids around here call them, totally inappropriate for church? In the summer many many teen girls in our church wear them all different colours with jeans or skirts or even short to church.
Where in the Bible is that forbidden? I am wondering if I go to strange church. Granted the elderly people wear uniforms and I find that stranger than beaters and stretched ear lobes.
Who is making the dress code?
maybe we should study this passage of scripture
prejudice
James 2:2
2 For example, suppose someone comes into your meeting dressed in fancy clothes and expensive jewelry, and another comes in who is poor and dressed in dirty clothes. 3 If you give special attention and a good seat to the rich person, but you say to the poor one, “You can stand over there, or else sit on the floor”—well, 4 doesn’t this discrimination show that your judgments are guided by evil motives?
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RE: Men with Pierced Ears - 9/14/2007 7:16:25 PM
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We've gotten way off topic with the "wife beater" comments. Lets get back to topic please. Thanks!
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