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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 5/3/2008 3:25:09 AM
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SoulSolace
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Could you honestly see Jesus participating in such events? I can just imagine, "Yeah! Punch him! Knock him out! Kick him in the ribs!"
When Jesus ever 'fought' it was for a cause--never for entertainment.
When we are in heaven, can you seriously see us watching two angels duke it out and cheering when one gets knocked out?
There isn't much difference between today's society and the ancient Romans gathering at the Coliseum--except for the fact that people don't get killed (usually).
I have heard three consistent arguments on this thread: A) It's just entertainment; B) It's how people make a living; C) The Bible doesn't say anything about it.
Here's a stretch for your imagination. There are actual places where you can watch live porn--strip clubs for example.
A) It's entertaining
B) The strippers need to make a living
C) The Bible says nothing about strip clubs. So long as you just eat the food, greet the half-naked waiter politely and not look at her lustfully, you're absolutely fine--right? You're just there to enjoy the dancing  Cuz those strippers sure know how to dance! What a creative way to take off your clothes!
Therefore, with this kind of logic, it is absolutely fine for a Christian to be at a strip club. With this logic, I suppose organized dogfights, cockfights etc. are OK too?
Whatever happened to good, wholesome recreation? Like quiet evenings with your family, visiting sick people at the hospital, a nice book, mountain climbing etc. ?
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 5/4/2008 7:29:37 AM
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tombombadil
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Yes, I could see sitting down with Jesus drinking a beer watching this or football.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 5/4/2008 8:41:56 PM
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SoulSolace
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Yes, I could see sitting down with Jesus drinking a beer watching this or football.
I would rather sit at Jesus' feet and get to know my Lord as Mary did, which I think would be far more gratifying than any form of cheap entertainment.
Phil. 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 5/9/2008 2:08:25 PM
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NewYork74
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I'm not saying you'll go to hell.
But according to Proverbs 3:30, fighting certainly isn't Biblical, and if Solomon wouldn't do it. Christians shouldn't either.
It's the intent of the heart behind the fight that is a problem. Otherwise with your logic/train of thought it would be unbiblical for a Christian to be a police officer, a correctional officer, a soldier, or anyone in an authority position (judge, teacher, attorney, etc).
If we stretch out your post even further.. it would be unbiblical for a husband to defend his wife/family from physical harm in the parking lot of Target.
I agree. Also by that logic, all our soldiers who are fighting overseas would be sinners also.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 5/9/2008 3:04:29 PM
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I am convinced in my own mind that people sparring one another in a regulated match which is preceded by a touch of gloves and followed by a hug and congratulations is not the classic example of unwholesome nor is it comparable in any way to a strip club. If you're not, don't watch the fights.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 5/9/2008 3:19:36 PM
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NewYork74
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I agree. Also please do not mix the fighting with the actual scene around it. The UFC has a sideshow around the fights, screaming fans, easy women and a potty mouthed boss Dana White. Just remember that the fighters dont have to get involved in that, and most of them arent. Ive been to other venues around the states and in Japan, and they are different. The fighting world is a lot larger than just the UFC.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 6/1/2008 10:55:17 PM
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Timcp
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There is a difference between sparring and full contact. Sparring is with head gear and gloves, and it isn't focused on full power, full contact. Amateur Boxing in the Olympics isn't focused on a brutal knockout, but is based on technique, skill and points. You don't have to be a tough guy to do well in Amateur Boxing, (the kind found in the Olympics). Full Contact MMA, Boxing etc. glorifies violence, violence is at the very root, and is what the show is centered upon. It glorifies the violent aspects: full contact, full power, that result in the knockout as with Boxing, and both the knockout and the submission in the case of MMA. At least they can tap out with the submissions. However, many fighters choose to get chocked out, and in Japan it is almost a thing with them to do. To actually have their oxygen cut off from their brain. Instead of safely tapping out.
Some people have mentioned that condoning or sanctioning takes away the violent aspect.
However, in Matthew Ch. 8 verse 31-32 Describes a heard of swine, and the way they ran down a steep cliff as being violent. Actions can be described as violent.
Take a look at the back of any Boxing or MMA DVD's, it says that the content contains Pervasive Violence for a reason.
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 6/2/2008 1:22:41 AM
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Our church is setting up cage-fight nights. yeehaw!
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 6/3/2008 10:51:21 AM
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We have had these in the Baptist church for years - they are called "Business Meetings."
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 6/3/2008 2:02:10 PM
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BerianAardvark
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The amount of Christian fighters is alarming.
Solomon was gifted from God with the most wisdom of any man.
In Proverbs 3:30 he wrote: Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.
I do not personally like the idea of prize fighting, but I do not choose to make my own personal preference into scripture.
Fighting as a sport is not specifically spoken against in scripture, nor is it specifically endorsed...however there are many references to sporting events especially in Paul at least one of them includes a reference to boxing.
Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified. (1 Corinthians 9:25-27)
Contact sports like boxing, soccer, football and others certainly don't seem to be loving, nor in many ways does any form of competition.
I can love the quarterback as a fellow Christian....but if I get the chance to sack him, he hits the ground, because those are the rules we agreed to play by.
Boxing, even the more extreme versions are competition with set rules and are not compulsorily...and they are certainly far different than a brawl which has no rules and is nothing more that a display of bad temper and even worse manners.
Tim
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RE: UFC not Christian, not Biblical. - 6/3/2008 8:51:46 PM
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Timcp
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Then why are the DVD's rated for pervasive violence? Why do they offer more money for the knockout or submission?
Go to any Martial Arts dojo across the world and ask them what the number one thing is to avoid. They will tell you it is a fight. Entering into a fight is actually the last resort. In full contact, they take the fight, the very thing you are meant to avoid, they take the system of self defense to be used as a last resort. They then turn it into a spectacle, entertainment, sport and a business. By doing so, they glorify the violent nature of fighting itself.
Personal preference into scripture? Read the verse over again, and look up the Hebrew word strive in the lexicon. It shows various meanings: wrangle, quarrel, and all the other words I and other people posted earlier.
If I'm showing a personal preference, then you are doing the same by using 1 Corinthians. And why do you think Paul had to relate to the people of Greece using words that they could understand? Because they were violent people. The Romans, Greeks, people of Sparta etc. were all about fighting. It is no different then saying the same thing Paul said, but talking to gang members, you would choose terms that they understand and can relate to.
When Jesus comes back, men will beat their weapons into plow sheers, in Isaiah it talks about the Lion laying down with the lamb. All through the Bible, it talks about peace.
Why watch violence glorified through fighting, when you can very well see the affect that it has on non believers that go there? Just look at how many fights there are afterward in the parking lots, that is just one example.
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The amount of Christian fighters is alarming.
Solomon was gifted from God with the most wisdom of any man.
In Proverbs 3:30 he wrote: Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.
I do not personally like the idea of prize fighting, but I do not choose to make my own personal preference into scripture.
Fighting as a sport is not specifically spoken against in scripture, nor is it specifically endorsed...however there are many references to sporting events especially in Paul at least one of them includes a reference to boxing.
Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified. (1 Corinthians 9:25-27)
Contact sports like boxing, soccer, football and others certainly don't seem to be loving, nor in many ways does any form of competition.
I can love the quarterback as a fellow Christian....but if I get the chance to sack him, he hits the ground, because those are the rules we agreed to play by.
Boxing, even the more extreme versions are competition with set rules and are not compulsorily...and they are certainly far different than a brawl which has no rules and is nothing more that a display of bad temper and even worse manners.
Tim
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