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God bless Mr Gadiel & all who suffered loss

7% (4)

I wish these theorists would apply themselves elsewhere

11% (6)

They hold no credence/MULTIPLE CHOICE

13% (7)

They do more harm

13% (7)

Of course CAIR would pledge allegiance

5% (3)

I think they may be on to something

1% (1)

I don't believe any of their theories

15% (8)

The 1 web harrassing a widow should be sued

11% (6)

They give aid & comfort to the enemy

17% (9)

Other/Explain

0% (0)

Total Votes : 51

(last vote on : 10/16/2007 6:51:25 PM)
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brooklynsblessed1 -> CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/24/2007 4:14:11 AM)
quote: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists By Peter Gadiel As the father of a 9/11 victim, I want to add my perspective on Luke Sheahan’s recent column on the Ohio State professors and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) promoting the theory of the “9/11 Truthers.” It does not surprise me in the least that CAIR would participate in supporting the theory that the attacks of 9/11 and the 3,000 resulting murders were planned and carried out by the U.S. government. CAIR is an outfit which has been named by the government as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case, and so distracting Americans from the facts is likely in their best interests. Those facts are: Nineteen radical Islamist men who were not U.S. citizens, with the help of Islamist terrorist organizations headquartered overseas, entered the United States, were supplied funds by those Islamist terrorist organizations, and hijacked four commercial airliners. These radical Islamist terrorists succeeded in flying three planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. On the fourth plane the passengers, having been alerted to the mass murder committed with the other planes, thwarted the terrorists and caused the plane to crash in a field in Pennsylvania. Afterward, Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility, and hundreds of thousands of people worldwide publicly celebrated the “successful” attacks committed by those who shared their radical Islamist views. Read More Here No surprise here either that there was NO US govt. conspiracy involved here; and having sit in a memorial w/ grieving families, NYPD, FD, EMS and others I'm sure it disturbs many (@ least some) when conspiracy crazy websites spew out all of this weirdness. It was plain & simple a mass murder plot cooked up outside of this country w/ Osama binladen taking credit. I wish these families, loved ones & coworkers here in NYC and elsewhere didn't have to be exposed to these crazy theories.[sm=flagamerican.jpg]It contributes nothing to their right to peace of mind. LORD BLESS AMERICA ! POLL IS MULTIPLE CHOICE

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/24/2007 6:13:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1 Those facts are: Nineteen radical Islamist men who were not U.S. citizens, with the help of Islamist terrorist organizations headquartered overseas, entered the United States, were supplied funds by those Islamist terrorist organizations, and hijacked four commercial airliners. And those Islamic terrorist organizations were funded and supported by the Taliban,who received 43 million in US aid in May of 2001. And the US supports Saudi Arabia, who finances terrorism. And the US Agency for International Development printed up millions of textbooks for children in Muslim countries teaching them to fight the infidel, and to glorify Jihad and martyrdom for Allah. "Children were taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles and land mines . . . it also suited U.S. interests to stoke hatred of foreign invaders. . . . The pictures [in] the texts are horrendous to school students, but the texts are even much worse. . . . One page from the texts of that period shows a resistance fighter with a bandolier and a Kalashnikov slung from his shoulder. The soldier's head is missing. Above the soldier is a verse from the Koran. Below is a Pashtu tribute to the mujaheddin, who are described as obedient to Allah. Such men will sacrifice their wealth and life itself to impose Islamic law on the government. . . ." Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard quote: Afterwards, Osama Bin Laden claimed reponsibility After he had denied involvement through credible sources several times, you forgot to add. Then US forces just happened to find the fabled 'confession' tape in a house in Afghanistan where Bin Laden did a 180 degree flip and 'changed his mind' and decided to 'confess' to the crimes of 911. And the Bin Laden 'confession' tape has been proven to be a fake. All things said and done, six years later the FBI has still not handed down a formal indictment charging Bin Laden with the crimes of 911 because there is not enough hard evidence to do so.

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/25/2007 2:36:07 PM)
Something else I would like to add is the CIA-ISI-Taliban/AlQuaeda axis. Michael Chossudovsky of the Centre for Research on Globalization shows how Pakistan's ISI (Their intelligence service) has been used by the CIA as a 'go-between' to provide money and support to the Taliban and Al-Quaeda. ISI has been the primary supporter of the Taliban regime and funding and supply for Al-Quaeda. On the morning of Sept. 11 ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad was in Washington eating breakfast with Porter Goss. Ahmad was a 'US approved' head of Pakistani intelligence Here is an excerpt: Corroborated by the House of Representatives International Relations Committee, US support funneled through the ISI to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden has been a consistent policy of the US Administration since the end of the Cold War: ...[T]he United States has been part and parcel to supporting the Taliban all along, and still is let me add... You have a military government [of President Musharraf] in Pakistan now that is arming the Taliban to the teeth....Let me note; that [US] aid has always gone to Taliban areas... We have been supporting the Taliban, because all our aid goes to the Taliban areas. And when people from the outside try to put aid into areas not controlled by the Taliban, they are thwarted by our own State Department... At that same moment, Pakistan initiated a major resupply effort, which eventually saw the defeat, and caused the defeat, of almost all of the anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan. Source: US House of Representatives: Statement by Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, Hearing of The House International Relations Committee on "Global Terrorism And South Asia", Washington, July 12, 2000. The FBI had initially shown that Mohammed Sheik Sayeed was the paymaster for Al-Quaeda and had traced a $100,000 wire transfer to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta to him but when it was discovered that Sayeed was an ISI operative and had made the transfer with ISI funds they did a woops[:o] and quickly changed their story. This little faux pas was conveniently ignored by the 911 Omission.

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/25/2007 10:23:52 PM)
quote: LORD BLESS AMERICA ! POLL IS MULTIPLE CHOICE That is a very one sided poll.

rnershigh -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/26/2007 5:14:39 PM)
What else is new with CAIR? Why am I not surprised....[8\|][8D]

brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/26/2007 5:35:52 PM)
Believe me my opinion ALL OF THESE WHACKY THEORIES HAVE ALQUEDA & OTHER HATERS OF THE US & ISRAEL BEHIND THEM..there are just too many of these amateur looking sites and too many people w/ too much time on their hands. As a Christian in maybe THE # 1 target for future attacks these conspiracy around every corner people contribute nada to NY's or the nation's security.

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/26/2007 6:48:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1 Believe me my opinion ALL OF THESE WHACKY THEORIES HAVE ALQUEDA & OTHER HATERS OF THE US & ISRAEL BEHIND THEM..there are just too many of these amateur looking sites and too many people w/ too much time on their hands. As a Christian in maybe THE # 1 target for future attacks these conspiracy around every corner people contribute nada to NY's or the nation's security. Brooklyn, Did you even bother to look at the evidence I posted in #2 and #3?

rnershigh -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/26/2007 10:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1 As a Christian in maybe THE # 1 target for future attacks these conspiracy around every corner people contribute nada to NY's or the nation's security. I think NYC vies for 1st place with DC. And you're right, it doesn't contribute anything.

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/27/2007 7:03:16 PM)
Hello out there. Have either of you two bothered to examine the evidence I presented in posts # 2 and 3 or are you just going to ignore the evidence and keep spouting the 'those conspiracy people are doing nothing for our security' line? Us conspiracy people are doing a lot to protect our security because we are pointing out who the real terrorists are.

Stephanos -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/27/2007 10:38:27 PM)
If someone declared that the world was flat, and gave proof that it was flat, I would ignore them too. Facts are nearly every one of your points have, at some point, been completely debunked on this website. Just because YOU are to blind and bias to see that, is not our fault. Maybe we are tired with debating with people like you. Maybe, debunking point after point for over 4-5 years (how long topics like have been on this forum and crosswalk before it before the merge) people are TIRED of your insane ideas. MAYBE some of us are sick and tired with SOME (yes only some) of people on your side who attack members of our military for their service, or attacking NYPD and NYFD members because they were "in" on it. Maybe we are all just tired of everything you have to offer, the same parroted non-sense over and over, and we "ignore" you because we have better things to do.

brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/27/2007 11:29:10 PM)
Amen; esp. since these theories give aid & comfort to our enemies.

RedStone -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 12:33:48 AM)
Stephanos-- You talk about insulting US military personnel. Below, I have provided contact information for a guy who has two Silver Stars and a bunch of other medals, and who is a bona fide national security expert (a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense)...who believes the government's 9/11 yarn is complete baloney. I'm wondering how you would go about delivering such a scathing, sneering, personal denunciation (such as you've have done with Backpacker) to this highly decorated, high-ranking military officer who has served his country heroically in combat? I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that little rendevous. By the way, Brooklyn...this was that same guy whose email address and phone number I had gotten for you...so you would be able to call him up and insult and ridicule him, in your signature un-Christian, ungracious manner...regarding what a "kook" and "whacko" this American military hero is. Once again, here's the email and the phone number...and there are hundreds of other decorated military officers whose email addresses and phone numbers I can get for you. His people have previously published this information on the Internet. He is Colonel Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret)., a recipient of two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star, and a Purple Heart. Email: FirstPrinciplesP@aol.com Phone: (800) 837-0544

brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 1:16:00 AM)
It is not civil like to hit a stranger w/ an insulting or critical email no matter what his current mental state might be, nor should you be opening up the individual to be subject to such, just goes to show a fanaticism profile that no sane member would want to participate in. I've posted support of veterans in the past but have also presented that many of the homeless or mentality ill veterans that I've directly worked w/ need better care, etc. But just being a veteran, an ex anything does not exempt one from paranoia, dellusions, etc. But back to posting non-members or members personal info & inviting a possible written attack that is very uncool.

Stephanos -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 2:14:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedStone Stephanos-- You talk about insulting US military personnel. Below, I have provided contact information for a guy who has two Silver Stars and a bunch of other medals, and who is a bona fide national security expert (a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense)...who believes the government's 9/11 yarn is complete baloney. I'm wondering how you would go about delivering such a scathing, sneering, personal denunciation (such as you've have done with Backpacker) to this highly decorated, high-ranking military officer who has served his country heroically in combat? I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that little rendevous. By the way, Brooklyn...this was that same guy whose email address and phone number I had gotten for you...so you would be able to call him up and insult and ridicule him, in your signature un-Christian, ungracious manner...regarding what a "kook" and "whacko" this American military hero is. Once again, here's the email and the phone number...and there are hundreds of other decorated military officers whose email addresses and phone numbers I can get for you. His people have previously published this information on the Internet. He is Colonel Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret)., a recipient of two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star, and a Purple Heart. Email: FirstPrinciplesP@aol.com Phone: (800) 837-0544 And countless more honorable military members support this President, support this war on terror, and believe that OBL and AQ WERE wholly responsible for WTC 93, Cole Bombing, African Embassy bombings, and 9/11. Oh...But THEY are all IN on the CT or duped because they are all on the wrong side? You want to compare military supporters for each side, we can until we are blue in the face, but it will not do any good. But I tell you this. Dont DARE try to say that one military member is better than the othes because he is on your side. That is spitting in the face of EVERYONE else. Are you really wanting/willing to spit into the face of military service members who do not believe in a 9/11 CT? I respect what this man (and others like him) have done in service to this country, but I still believe he is wrong. Do you have the GUTS to say that about those who oppose you? And you call people like brooklyn "unchristian"? Is that not a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? You and others like you regularly call non CT'ers "brainwashed", "blinded", "duped", ect. Yet when you get called names, suddenly it is not "christian like" to do so. Start acting like you want others to act, and maybe THEN you will get some respect. Until then, you are nothing by a hypocrite.

RedStone -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 7:32:06 AM)
Brooklyn-- I'm not sure how you can get a 30-word post of mine all mixed up. You're a little confused-- This retired Assistant Defense Secretary is inviting your contact. He has published his contact info. It's public info...not personal info. That would appear to be another attempt at a false accusation on your part, Brooklyn. The problem isn't in contacting him to have a conversation...the problem is you're incapable of having a polite, respectful disagreement with another human being. You don't know how to conduct yourself in public. And your posted response right here is a case-in-point: You insult this American hero by implying he is not of sound mind. You have no cause or justification for defaming this man in such a fashion. There has been no indication of "mental illness" from this man. He still works as an attorney (I believe) and on the lecture circuit. But because you disagree...you disregard scriptural principles and proceed to insult this two-time Silver Star recipient. Stephanos-- You are also bearing false witness. You are stating utter falsehoods. I have never called you or anyone here a "name". Not once. And if you are spiritually superior to me (which just about every single one of your comments directed at me seems to have implied)...then YOU need to be the one to set the example. It's mind boggling for me to approach you and point out your ungracious, scathing denunciations...and have you respond with essentially "Well...you do it too!" Huh? What scriptural principle are you invoking there? And even at that....some of your examples of "name-calling" are a bit of a reach...as though you are quite aware that you have precious little to choose from in creating your 'name-calling' complaint. "Blinded" you say? Suggesting to the other party that they may not be "seeing" the truth of a matter is pretty mild stuff. In any case, applying your chosen examples to me, as you did...is a false accusation. And I guess we can't have a Stephanos post without an unfair 'straw man'being set up: One military man is better than the other because he agrees with me?? Where did you get that from? Thin air? Who in the world is arguing such a thing? What ARE you talking about? In conclusion, here is another prominent American citizen that you could treat to an utterly uncharitable, unkind, scathing denunciation-- Bill Doyle is leader of the largest 9/11 Families Group... "The Coalition of 9/11 Families". He lost his own son Joey in the collapse of the twin towers. He states flatly that the government was complicit in the attack. LINK Doyle questioned why WTC steel that was withheld from NIST for examination for explosives was used instead to build a battleship. "Isn't it amazing how they got it out of this country within days," said Doyle as he addressed the cover-up of the physical evidence from a crime scene. Doyle said he had personally talked to six different individuals who were at the World Trade Center site and described incendiary devices before the collapse of the towers. "It's documented proof that tower 7 was not hit by a plane yet it goes up in flames then the owner of the place Larry Silverstein himself ordered it to be pulled at 4 o'clock that afternoon and all of a sudden it exploded straight down." "We have two planes fly into the towers and all of a sudden they get blown up within an hour and a half - that's impossible," said Doyle. Doyle questioned why WTC steel that was withheld from NIST for examination for explosives was used instead to build a battleship. "Isn't it amazing how they got it out of this country within days," said Doyle as he addressed the cover-up of the physical evidence from a crime scene. Doyle said he had personally talked to six different individuals who were at the World Trade Center site and described incendiary devices before the collapse of the towers. "It's documented proof that tower 7 was not hit by a plane yet it goes up in flames then the owner of the place Larry Silverstein himself ordered it to be pulled at 4 o'clock that afternoon and all of a sudden it exploded straight down." "We have two planes fly into the towers and all of a sudden they get blown up within an hour and a half - that's impossible," said Doyle.

stamper_ben -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 8:42:18 AM)
quote: Stephanos-- You are also bearing false witness. You are stating utter falsehoods. I have never called you or anyone here a "name". Not once. quote: Brooklyn-- I'm not sure how you can get a 30-word post of mine all mixed up. You're a little confused-- Again Red, you are extremly good at twisting the conversation around to put everyone else in the wrong when they disagree with you. And I won't touch on the fact that an Assistant Defense Secretary is a highly POLITICAL job.[8\|]

Stephanos -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 11:15:19 AM)
Red in YOUR post 12 here is what YOU said. quote: ORIGINAL: RedStone this was that same guy whose email address and phone number I had gotten for you...so you would be able to call him up and insult and ridicule him, in your signature un-Christian, ungracious manner...regarding what a "kook" and "whacko" this American military hero is. Once again, here's the email and the phone number...and there are hundreds of other decorated military officers whose email addresses and phone numbers I can get for you. So dont you DARE try and tell me I am bearing false witness. I never said you were calling me names I was responding to what you said to brooklyn. INFACT i even stated such in my post. quote: And you call people like brooklyn "unchristian"? And may I point out that the "you and others like you" is in reference to backpacker creating threads calling people who dont agree with your side "gullible". In other threads you and others like you have basiclly called us who dont agree with you "blined", "brainwashed by the CFR controled media", or other handy terms. Again, dont DARE try to tell me I am bearing false witness. If you have a problem with me regurgitating what your side says about us who dont agree, then maybe I sugjest you look into what your side is acutaly saying.

brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 5:48:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedStone Brooklyn-- I'm not sure how you can get a 30-word post of mine all mixed up. You're a little confused-- This retired Assistant Defense Secretary is inviting your contact. He has published his contact info. It's public info...not personal info. That would appear to be another attempt at a false accusation on your part, Brooklyn. The problem isn't in contacting him to have a conversation...the problem is you're incapable of having a polite, respectful disagreement with another human being. You don't know how to conduct yourself in public. And your posted response right here is a case-in-point: You insult this American hero by implying he is not of sound mind. You have no cause or justification for defaming this man in such a fashion. There has been no indication of "mental illness" from this man+++. He still works as an attorney (I believe) and on the lecture circuit. But because you disagree...you disregard scriptural principles and proceed to insult this two-time Silver Star recipient. Stephanos-- You are also bearing false witness. You are stating utter falsehoods. I have never called you or anyone here a "name". Not once. And if you are spiritually superior to me (which just about every single one of your comments directed at me seems to have implied)...then YOU need to be the one to set the example. It's mind boggling for me to approach you and point out your ungracious, scathing denunciations...and have you respond with essentially "Well...you do it too!" Huh? What scriptural principle are you invoking there? And even at that....some of your examples of "name-calling" are a bit of a reach...as though you are quite aware that you have precious little to choose from in creating your 'name-calling' complaint. "Blinded" you say? Suggesting to the other party that they may not be "seeing" the truth of a matter is pretty mild stuff. In any case, applying your chosen examples to me, as you did...is a false accusation. And I guess we can't have a Stephanos post without an unfair 'straw man'being set up: One military man is better than the other because he agrees with me?? Where did you get that from? Thin air? Who in the world is arguing such a thing? What ARE you talking about? In conclusion, here is another prominent American citizen that you could treat to an utterly uncharitable, unkind, scathing denunciation-- Bill Doyle is leader of the largest 9/11 Families Group... "The Coalition of 9/11 Families". He lost his own son Joey in the collapse of the twin towers. He states flatly that the government was complicit in the attack. LINK Doyle questioned why WTC steel that was withheld from NIST for examination for explosives was used instead to build a battleship. "Isn't it amazing how they got it out of this country within days," said Doyle as he addressed the cover-up of the physical evidence from a crime scene. Doyle said he had personally talked to six different individuals who were at the World Trade Center site and described incendiary devices before the collapse of the towers. "It's documented proof that tower 7 was not hit by a plane yet it goes up in flames then the owner of the place Larry Silverstein himself ordered it to be pulled at 4 o'clock that afternoon and all of a sudden it exploded straight down." "We have two planes fly into the towers and all of a sudden they get blown up within an hour and a half - that's impossible," said Doyle. Doyle questioned why WTC steel that was withheld from NIST for examination for explosives was used instead to build a battleship. "Isn't it amazing how they got it out of this country within days," said Doyle as he addressed the cover-up of the physical evidence from a crime scene. Doyle said he had personally talked to six different individuals who were at the World Trade Center site and described incendiary devices before the collapse of the towers. "It's documented proof that tower 7 was not hit by a plane yet it goes up in flames then the owner of the place Larry Silverstein himself ordered it to be pulled at 4 o'clock that afternoon and all of a sudden it exploded straight down." "We have two planes fly into the towers and all of a sudden they get blown up within an hour and a half - that's impossible," said Doyle. quote: It is not civil like to hit a stranger w/ an insulting or critical email no matter what his current mental state might be, nor should you be opening up the individual to be subject to such, just goes to show a fanaticism profile that no sane member would want to participate in. I do not know what the man has published & since it is his phone & his email did he post w/ it "please especially print it on sites that people may have serious disagreements, could curse me, call me names, threaten my family & I . YES put it out on cyber space w/ "my" encouragement. Please note their is a story up here on a grieving widow receiving horrible communications from some 9/11 conspiracy maniac(s)....in this case I don't think via Crosswalk you should supply or encourage possible negative or worse communication w/ a complete stranger. I admire all,all who served no matter their politics, or physical or mental condition. Have worked directly w/ veterans & have seen many w/ deep emotional sickness. Now in no way shape or form did I question the man's mental state.The way I phrased it he could have problems or be perfectly well.....I in his case I never made a judgement.

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Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 6:06:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1 Amen; esp. since these theories give aid & comfort to our enemies. Brooklyn, I suggest that you read through Dr. Anthony Sutton's three part encyclopedic work, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development and then tell me who you think is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/28/2007 8:24:41 PM)
Speaking of aid and comfort to the enemy, why were 28 pages of incriminating evidence about how the US backed Saudi govt. has been funding and arming terrorists conveniently deleted and ignored by the US House and Senate panels investigating sources of terrrorism funding?

RingsofSaturn -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/29/2007 8:29:35 PM)
Very interesting... I recently had a confrontation with someone I NEVER thought would stab me in the back, the way he did. Why? We have a professional relationship but have talked about many things,....from women to politics to music and business outside of our business. I considered him a good friend. But, I emailed him and asked him if he ever heard of or entertained 911 Conspiracy POSSIBILITIES. He wrote back that it was BS. I said I had studied it and was now a believer. He turned on me and after blasting my intelligence and research, threatened to never work with me again. Rather than tell him off, I backed down. Fella's, you're not going to believe in 911 truths unless you WANT to...or if you open your minds. The last thing he said to me was: "I get easily offended by people who critisize this country or our government because I think its the greatest country in the world." You see, he refuses to THINK or BELIEVE that the Govt can't be trusted. Just like an ATHEIST refuses to believe in God, debunking and dispelling, never researching with an open mind and heart. To him, the govt can do no wrong. Thats why 911 Con ideas seem crazy. To me, those who DO TRUST the govt are the crazy ones...not me. Bottom line. Some of us....and people in this country would still refuse to believe a 911 Conspiracy, if people came out, were arrested, tried and jailed. They still would scoff. But, they did the same thing with Hitler.....refusing to believe, even after films and proff was provided. Today, many still love and adore him...and think eveyrone else is wrong. And in the USA, the sheep are going to the slaughter...

brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/29/2007 8:39:27 PM)
We are not going to the slaughter, and I believe this theory isn't being preached from any pulpits of note because it's foolishness and doesn't provide real protection for a single person; many actually think they are some kind of "heroes" for esposing this pablam. It's not worth the average normal persons brain-cells.Sorry, just isn't.

RingsofSaturn -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/29/2007 8:48:33 PM)
Those that disrespect victims families and who act in an appropreate way are not in the right. But it is our MORAL DUTY to question and investigate the President and the Govt at all times. This means serious and open minded research and subsequent criticism when applicable. Thats how the founding fathers wanted things to be.... We'll see how the future pans out....

Backpacker -> RE: CAIR and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists (8/29/2007 8:53:47 PM)
Rings, You hit the nail on the head with the statement that most people only believe what they want to believe. If you present them with evidence to the contrary their defensive guard immediately goes up.

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